EPTHandslaps and Fisticuff: A PYP Mini [M][T]
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I feel like he is going to use this game as an excuse to ban as many people as he can. | ||
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Plan: Don't give LSB your role names 1. If you are first pick, grab Assassin 2. If you are not first pick, grab whatever you want. 3. Do NOT reveal your role, even if you are VT. + Show Spoiler + This is conditional, for example if someone gets day vigged and you tried to grab day vig but failed, by all means claim. If you viged a mafia, by all means brag in thread The assassin is the scariest role in mafia hands, day KP is always scary and the assassin has multiple uses. In addition it is pretty much unblockable. In addition there are (potentially) 5 roles with access to KP, it would be almost impossible to hold people accountable for missed shots. In addition we should try to keep the alignment cop alive as long as possible and the jailkeeper will also be super useful. | ||
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If you correctly guessed that player's role name, then that player will instantly be targeted with 1KP wihich will be processed as soon as the host receive the PM and you will be able to use this ability one additional time on the following cycle. The ability itself should present easy opportunities for use in any hands | ||
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On March 05 2014 13:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is the plan: First guy picks Universal Backup. At N1 start he outs all the roles that are not being picked. The second guy picks Vigilante. The third guy picks Day Vigilante The fourth guy picks Assassin The fifth guy picks roleblocker. Everyone else picks whatever. Best plan 2014, we gonna do it because the KP-roles are silent and this is a mini game. Anti town plan because 1) Universal Backup announcing all roles not being picked is probably the best way to help mafia blue snipe and fake claim. 2) Having multiple Kp roles all at the top of the list is very dangerous because mafia can share numbers and avoid clash. This is especially true in a mini game. 3) The roleblocker is important to stop dangerous KP from occurring. There is no other way for us to stop a rouge assassin/vig. Having the Roleblocker easily snipable just sets up for a mafia victory ##VOTE: Raynpelikoneet On March 05 2014 15:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Trust me, this is really easy. If assassin takes an unaccounted shot, day/night vigi shoots them because they claim mafia. Same goes vice versa. Every time we decide on a shot the roleblocker and jailer target each other so the shot is guaranteed to go through. If they don't, they claim mafia. That way we control all the non-mafia factional KP in the game which is far better than leave it up for a chance that mafia picks KP-roles and we are fucked. Because historically town has been able to control KP based roles? Unless it's super obvious (CPR doc), people are just gonna fire when they feel like it. | ||
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Pick phase determination and after pick phase determination are two completely different things. Calling for a mass claim after pick phase doesn't get you any crucial roles (which is important), calling for a picking order leads to ezpz blue snipes. Funny how you bumble in, get called out and try to resort to flame to seem townie | ||
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Your plan is giving the people at the top of the list get KP and leaving the roleblocker exposed, or proposing both roleblock roles target each other, letting the KP roles do what they want. Coincidentally mafia appear at the top of the list more often than town | ||
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On March 05 2014 15:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: LSB you are saying stuff that's fucking terrible. If you are town i need you to rethink what you are saying because the only way we can lose this game as town is if mafia gets too much KP and we don't know where it is / can't control it. So please read and think if you are town. Your idea of limiting mafia KP is to give them the KP roles and pray that they believe a divided town threat of 'policy lynching if you don't listen to us'? | ||
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On March 05 2014 15:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: I AM NOT GIVING THEM KP ROLES WTF ARE YOU SAYING!=?!=!=!= So your response to a fatal flaw in the plan is feigning ignorance? | ||
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I'll just post random thoughts here before I post my argument on rayn's plan which I'm still working on I already locked 2,1 before I went to sleep yesterday. So that isn't going to work in the first place, see you at the bottom of the list Rayn and Gumshoe. I guess that means unless Rayn chickened out that me and his own personal picks will be irrelevant as part of the plan. Artanis seems to be confirmed town to me considering he hasn't claimed mafia yet and he is actually trying. Dunno if his mafia behavior changed since last game. | ||
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What would I do if I was present with this plan? On March 05 2014 23:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: [/center]I hereby announce i will pick [2] [1] because my plan is foolproof. All you need to do as i stated: 1st pick (Palmar) picks day vigi 2nd pick (me) picks the Universal Backup 3rd pick picks night vigi 4th pick picks assassin 5th pick picks roleblocker 6th -> can pick whatever they want What i can guarantee you is:
In total this means we are playing a game where there are only vanilla mafiosi against town roles (which are mostly outed but whatevs). If something weird happens and i can't resolve it in reasonable time (resolving = mafia death) you can lynch me. If I was mafia, I would have supported Rayns plan because there is this great way to defeat it. Of course, now that people are aware the the JOAT could kill people too, we will need to adjust Rayn's Plan and account for that. But accepting rayn's plan at it's face value means that there are many easy ways to mess everything up. God help you rayn, god help you... in fact god help mafia lol Step 1: Pick JOAT JOAT has a KP. You shoot someone N1. Immediately you have this huge debate where the night vig claims that he didn't shoot someone, and everyone yelling "RAYNS Plan said all the KP was controlled!" This presents a threefold situation for the town 1) Night Vig is rouge and will shoot again next night 2) Universal Backup is rouge and grabbed a KP role 3) JOAT exists in one of the 7 other roles, which would be incredibly hard to figure out. Step 2: Hope to get mafia members in the KP roles (okay this should be step 0) It should be fairly simple to refuse to use KP on your scumbuddies. If you are directed by town to use KP. It becomes incredibly obvious such as a DT claiming, simply saying "i'm not going to shoot him because I think he is town" when he is mafia. And "I don't know about this, but I'll trust the town and shoot him" when he is town. If you aren't directed this would mean even more major things Universal Backup If it is available grab JOAT and shoot someone. Claim that JOAT was taken by someone else. Otherwise you can cover for your scumbuddies and help em fakeclaim. You have Night Vig Just shoot someone. This brings up the dilemma posted in step one. There is no way to differentiate between a Night Vig, JOAT, or Universal Backup (Picking JOAT) shot. In addition if one of the two mafia shots gets blocked, no one will suspect anything different. You are Day Vig Save your shot till LYLO and win, or till when you can kill someone who isn't mafia safely You are Assassin Kill someone right before the last hour of the day, preferably one of the kp roles that isn't mafia. Assuming there is no way to differentiate between an Assassin KP and a Day Vig KP, the town is probably going to ask the Day Vig and the Assassin to target each other. Proceed to mash the PM button and kill the Day Vig before you die. You just took out two town KP roles for your own lynch. And you'll still have your night kill. This is a great sacrifice. | ||
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If I was mafia I would have just shut up and followed rayns plan. After all I have this great way of attack. It's such a great plan for mafia and it would cause a ton of confusion for the town. Of course, now that I pointed out JOAT people will account for that and say "we'll just add JOAT to the plan". No shit, that's cause I pointed it out. This is why rayns plan is bad, if you make any changes it is not longer the plan I am saying is a horribly mafia favored plan. | ||
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On March 06 2014 09:46 Hopeless1der wrote: You are Assassin you cant activate kp roles in the last 12 hours LSB Okay that was a typo. You use your ability 11:59 before deadline. Day vig won't be able to respond | ||
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Roleblock isn't notified? What's going to stop mafia from shooting someone? | ||
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On March 06 2014 10:01 marvellosity wrote: the problem is, LSB, rayn is not mafia. I'm all for policy lynching people for anti-town plans, or not following their own plans. This from personal experience of getting away with awesome mafia plans. Meh I'm fine with that if you can attest that Rayn is capable of pushing a flawed plan as town. I can understand a townie thinking his plan is all right. After all my read of rayn is simply just a policy lynch of bad plan = mafia. | ||
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However if it isn't clear, following rayns plan is a horrible idea http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445063-handslaps-and-fisticuff-a-pyp-mini?page=39#773, honestly letting people take what they want is not a bad idea. | ||
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On March 06 2014 13:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: The thing is i literally offered to get lynched if something goes south in my plan so LSB needs to explain why he does not want to out mafia!rayn. Also gumshoe needs to do the same thing. How does that confirm you as town? This is a lose lose situation. If you are town and things go south, you get lynch, worse things happen If you are mafia and things go south, well you just pass a increadibly mafia favored plan so you guys are probably going to win anyways | ||
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