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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
March 10 2014 01:04 GMT
#2521
aside from that, fantastic fun was had in this game, flavor rocked and town rejuvenated the life back into the game. Whenever people are getting sad about how towns are terrible, just point them to this game and enjoy.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
March 10 2014 01:15 GMT
#2522
Sucks I was wrong about gumshoe, but that was unexpected. Well done everyone.

Game was pretty balanced, just the town had way too many strong players.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
March 10 2014 01:27 GMT
#2523
From the obs quicktopic
Hopeless1der
03-09-2014
01:10 PM ET (US)
he's a normal vet who has taken one shot. There is a busdriver, its probably LSB. Its the only thing that makes sense. btw has that busdriver comment always been in LSB's quote signature thingy?

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/211590-lsb-vs-rol-grudge-match
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
March 10 2014 01:30 GMT
#2524
well alright then. I thought you had given up and were trolling us by changing your sig.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 10 2014 01:32 GMT
#2525
So are there any suggestions for balancing out a pyp mini?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
March 10 2014 01:38 GMT
#2526
Based on the amount of speculation about the bus driver I think putting one in would be decent. Maybe take out one of the kp roles, either day-vig or assassin, they're too versatile in the mass claim environment due to instant flips imo.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
March 10 2014 01:50 GMT
#2527
On March 10 2014 10:32 geript wrote:
So are there any suggestions for balancing out a pyp mini?

Have day 1 be separate from the draft/pick stage, not everyone should be able to get a role.
The NRA role is pretty OP, especially with the amount of KP in the game

Though I would blame the one sidedness simply due to the fact that the mafia team consisted of the three least active players.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-10 03:32:22
March 10 2014 02:52 GMT
#2528
What's the difference between an "open" setup and a "closed" setup and shouldn't this have been labelled a "closed" setup? (curious)
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 10 2014 03:30 GMT
#2529
On March 10 2014 09:40 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 09:29 Xatalos wrote:
On the other hand, I think it has more to do with how unbalanced the teams were rather than the setup being unbalanced. austin+yamato+gumshoe (passive lurker scummers) vs a group of strong/decent townies is almost unwinnable.

austin isn't really a lurky scumplayer tbf.

town just too good

palmar didn't even have to play
I've never been THIS lurky, and by the time I got active the thread had already concluded that a bunch of people looked town 80% for activity and 20% for not being idiots.

It was difficult to attack people who were just townie for activity, because they HAD been active and also not idiots. And thread was so circle-jerky, even very early on, that it felt difficult to ... interfere with townies confirming each other. I couldn't find a great avenue to go after artanis, or to do more than poke you, or really rayn.

I dunno, I played very, very poorly. It's actually the first game I've lost where I roll mafia from the start, and certainly my worst scum game. But we began so friggin' far behind and never got a cohesive strategy together.



ALSO RAYN'S PLAN WAS BAD. ASSIGNING NUMBERS, GREAT. ASSIGNING ROLES, POSSIBLY GREAT. ASSUMING ROLES BARELY CHANGE EVEN THOUGH THE OP SAYS THEY'LL CHANGE AND THAT THE GAME CAN BE BALANCED IN A 9-2-1(neutral) SETUP IS RIDICULOUS.

Like...if we'd not played ridiculously poorly, or played the game at all, Gumshoe's role and maybe one other might have given us a solid chance, because half of town would have been trying to aim a lynch based on roles, and half on play, and whatnot.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 10 2014 03:35 GMT
#2530
geript thanks for running this. I know we didn't give a good idea of exactly how balanced the setup itself was, and I think that the poor showing isn't really the setup.


At least from my point of view, being told that no roles would be mafia-useless was nice, but it's...without knowing exactly what roles do, it's kind of hard to value them. We didn't GET to value roles because our number picking was too conservative, but letting mafia actually know what roles do for them might get them to pick a little better, if that is something you want to tweak.

Otherwise, I like splitting up the lynch and the picking. It gives mafia more time to do something, more time to read the thread and get a plan together, and it ... it gives them more time for someone to screw up in a lynchable way. Getting that first mislynch on someone who screws up would have been crucial to us, and SOME townie will always do something super scummy given more time.

But honestly I don't know how much tweaking this needed. I would be interested to see whether, over the course of more PYP minis, there are more town plans put together. In a large game, enough people screw up plans/claims and whatnot that scum have a little more hiding room. With less players, a small group can essentially force everyone into a plan or a claim, even if the plan isn't particularly awesome. That MAY be something that happens..."too often" in mini PYPs, and causes things to get organized against scum too early. Dunno. I like the idea of trying to have PYP minis though, and felt it ran smooth.
Fe fi fo fum.
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
March 10 2014 05:23 GMT
#2531
good job team
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 10 2014 08:20 GMT
#2532
I wasn't lying, I had no idea that the game had started. When I joined the thread I read like 2-3 pages back and saw rayn/marv/xata were all town, so I was like "whatever, I'll just mess around".
Computer says mafia
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 10 2014 17:22 GMT
#2533
ggnore! wp town.
I aske gumshoe last night in video mafia why did he not follow my plan and he said [insert slightly demotivated voice here] "because i thought that's what gumshoe would do". awwwwwwww!!

gumshoe <3<3

i liek you alot ^^
table for two on a tv tray
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 10 2014 17:38 GMT
#2534
rayn fell for my scumclaim trap.
Computer says mafia
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 10 2014 18:12 GMT
#2535
On March 11 2014 02:38 Palmar wrote:
rayn fell for my scumclaim trap.

No i didn't, Artanis nearly did.
table for two on a tv tray
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
March 10 2014 18:17 GMT
#2536
On March 11 2014 03:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 02:38 Palmar wrote:
rayn fell for my scumclaim trap.

No i didn't, Artanis nearly did.

I didn't ever think Palmar was actually scum, just null. I just wanted to lynch him anyway.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
March 10 2014 18:17 GMT
#2537
wouldn't yamato be the top contender for 'fell for palmar's trap'?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
March 10 2014 18:22 GMT
#2538
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
March 10 2014 18:23 GMT
#2539
Hopeless late town hero.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 10 2014 20:19 GMT
#2540
On March 11 2014 03:17 Hopeless1der wrote:
wouldn't yamato be the top contender for 'fell for palmar's trap'?


No that would imply my trap was actually elaborate or useful, or both.

It wasn't.
Computer says mafia
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