aside from that, fantastic fun was had in this game, flavor rocked and town rejuvenated the life back into the game. Whenever people are getting sad about how towns are terrible, just point them to this game and enjoy.

LSB

United States5171 Posts

March 10 2014 01:15 GMT

#2522

Sucks I was wrong about gumshoe, but that was unexpected. Well done everyone.

Game was pretty balanced, just the town had way too many strong players.

LSB

United States5171 Posts

March 10 2014 01:27 GMT

#2523

From the obs quicktopic

Hopeless1der
03-09-2014
01:10 PM ET (US)
he's a normal vet who has taken one shot. There is a busdriver, its probably LSB. Its the only thing that makes sense. btw has that busdriver comment always been in LSB's quote signature thingy?

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/211590-lsb-vs-rol-grudge-match

Hopeless1der

United States5836 Posts

March 10 2014 01:30 GMT

#2524

well alright then. I thought you had given up and were trolling us by changing your sig.

geript

10024 Posts

March 10 2014 01:32 GMT

#2525

So are there any suggestions for balancing out a pyp mini?

Hopeless1der

United States5836 Posts

March 10 2014 01:38 GMT

#2526

Based on the amount of speculation about the bus driver I think putting one in would be decent. Maybe take out one of the kp roles, either day-vig or assassin, they're too versatile in the mass claim environment due to instant flips imo.

LSB

United States5171 Posts

March 10 2014 01:50 GMT

#2527

On March 10 2014 10:32 geript wrote:
So are there any suggestions for balancing out a pyp mini?

Have day 1 be separate from the draft/pick stage, not everyone should be able to get a role.
The NRA role is pretty OP, especially with the amount of KP in the game

Though I would blame the one sidedness simply due to the fact that the mafia team consisted of the three least active players.

Balla24

2322 Posts

March 10 2014 02:52 GMT

#2528

What's the difference between an "open" setup and a "closed" setup and shouldn't this have been labelled a "closed" setup? (curious)

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

March 10 2014 03:30 GMT

#2529

On March 10 2014 09:40 marvellosity wrote:

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austin isn't really a lurky scumplayer tbf.

town just too good

palmar didn't even have to play

I've never been THIS lurky, and by the time I got active the thread had already concluded that a bunch of people looked town 80% for activity and 20% for not being idiots.

It was difficult to attack people who were just townie for activity, because they HAD been active and also not idiots. And thread was so circle-jerky, even very early on, that it felt difficult to ... interfere with townies confirming each other. I couldn't find a great avenue to go after artanis, or to do more than poke you, or really rayn.

I dunno, I played very, very poorly. It's actually the first game I've lost where I roll mafia from the start, and certainly my worst scum game. But we began so friggin' far behind and never got a cohesive strategy together.

ALSO RAYN'S PLAN WAS BAD. ASSIGNING NUMBERS, GREAT. ASSIGNING ROLES, POSSIBLY GREAT. ASSUMING ROLES BARELY CHANGE EVEN THOUGH THE OP SAYS THEY'LL CHANGE AND THAT THE GAME CAN BE BALANCED IN A 9-2-1(neutral) SETUP IS RIDICULOUS.

Like...if we'd not played ridiculously poorly, or played the game at all, Gumshoe's role and maybe one other might have given us a solid chance, because half of town would have been trying to aim a lynch based on roles, and half on play, and whatnot.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

March 10 2014 03:35 GMT

#2530

geript thanks for running this. I know we didn't give a good idea of exactly how balanced the setup itself was, and I think that the poor showing isn't really the setup.

At least from my point of view, being told that no roles would be mafia-useless was nice, but it's...without knowing exactly what roles do, it's kind of hard to value them. We didn't GET to value roles because our number picking was too conservative, but letting mafia actually know what roles do for them might get them to pick a little better, if that is something you want to tweak.

Otherwise, I like splitting up the lynch and the picking. It gives mafia more time to do something, more time to read the thread and get a plan together, and it ... it gives them more time for someone to screw up in a lynchable way. Getting that first mislynch on someone who screws up would have been crucial to us, and SOME townie will always do something super scummy given more time.

But honestly I don't know how much tweaking this needed. I would be interested to see whether, over the course of more PYP minis, there are more town plans put together. In a large game, enough people screw up plans/claims and whatnot that scum have a little more hiding room. With less players, a small group can essentially force everyone into a plan or a claim, even if the plan isn't particularly awesome. That MAY be something that happens..."too often" in mini PYPs, and causes things to get organized against scum too early. Dunno. I like the idea of trying to have PYP minis though, and felt it ran smooth.

ObviousOne

United States3704 Posts

March 10 2014 05:23 GMT

#2531

good job team

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

March 10 2014 08:20 GMT

#2532

I wasn't lying, I had no idea that the game had started. When I joined the thread I read like 2-3 pages back and saw rayn/marv/xata were all town, so I was like "whatever, I'll just mess around".

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 10 2014 17:22 GMT

#2533

ggnore! wp town.
I aske gumshoe last night in video mafia why did he not follow my plan and he said [insert slightly demotivated voice here] "because i thought that's what gumshoe would do". awwwwwwww!!

gumshoe <3<3

i liek you alot ^^