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On March 06 2014 19:44 marvellosity wrote: I wonder how large these role modifications could be. Like austin (I think) speculated on detective -> framer. But there's no point having a framer if mafia already took the DT spot already etc. That was me speculating. austin basically spread fear in "THEY COULD BE ANYTHING OMGZZZZ!!!" I highly doubt unless this game is stupid. | ||
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That's really stupid if it's so. The only roles that absolutely does not benefit mafia as they are are detective and to some extent rolecop. | ||
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marv actually artanis has a point here. Denying DT as scum is an important part because if town picks DT and JoaT there is not only 1 but possibly 2 checks N1 - that's really fucking bad for mafia so denying DT is important, but if the role stays the same there is really no benefit other than "don't give town checks". I understand the framer point but imo cop chekcs are really OP in mini games, when you compare them with people's reads (=educated guesses) you should be able to reduce the suspect pool drastically and even one failed (framed) check can be a disaster to the town with this many KP in the game. | ||
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On March 06 2014 19:54 marvellosity wrote: Well it kinda depends on timing. LSB had already announced he was picking 2,1 when gumshoe came in saying he was denying rayn. Don't really know when what happened. Either way there's some seriously annoying play going down. Silly players making silly unilateral decisions is silly. This is not true. Why are you missing a lot of things this game marv? | ||
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On March 06 2014 20:10 prplhz wrote: But why would a scum gumshoe care so much whether or not raynpelikoneet gets Universal Backup or not? It really doesn't matter because of it's not raynpelikoneet, it's someone else and unless they're mafia it makes no difference. because if someone else gets it he can call them mafia, especially now that it's Oats. | ||
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On March 06 2014 20:12 prplhz wrote: And.... what does he gain from that? Even if he succeeds and we lynch Oatsmaster then all we lost was a Universal Backup with a leftover powerrole and we will know for 100% sure that his leftover rolelist was bad. And if we decide that Oatsmaster isn't scum then he didn't gain anything at all. The thing is that there is a difference in him getting Oats lynched versus himself getting lynched (if he accuses me). | ||
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On March 06 2014 20:14 prplhz wrote: But why does he have a very strong need to get Universal Backup lynched at all? Can't he just ignore him? Because i have a plan, not Oats. Even when Oats announces the roles not in the game Oats is more likely to fuck up something that i am. Because it's my plan. | ||
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1) marv is right or 2) prplhz is right which translates into this: If i don't have the universal backup i have to trust Oats is town - which can be possibly discredited. Even if i trust Oats is town i have to tell in thread what i want him to do, which gives scum information what's going to happen in contrary to me saying "i want these people to do these things, trust me i know what i am doing" which makes MY actions unknows - scum can't know what's going on because i am really good in mass roled games because i have played a shitton of them. Basically there is only scum motivation to deny universal backup from me unless gumshoe thinks i am mafia which he does not say he thinks. | ||
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On March 06 2014 20:23 marvellosity wrote: I have been thinking about Oats a little. I wonder if it's worth someone near the bottom of the draft 2nd picking Universal Backup, just in case :x If scum!Oats does not pick UBU or is not truthful in what roles are not in the game it's worse to mafia than him doing so. Trust me. | ||
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