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Or, in the same vein,
Blazinghand manufactured a read because he didn't want to get lynched
grackaroni has made up reads to avoid having to read thread
killing manufactured his reads because he didn't have a good overview of the game, but now he does, except he also never specifies when or how this happened, specifically says he has no scumreads. He is also only going to scrap SOME of them, despite saying they were manufactured, and he also knows they were bad, despite nobody having flipped.
For emphasis:On March 06 2014 05:26 Killing wrote:
Ok, so I don't really know where to start with this. I read a bit that people hated what I had to say earlier so I went to re-read it and couldn't stop laughing at how terrible it was. I think I've been going about playing thsi shit completely wrong. I was just straight up making shit up and pretending to know what I was talking about. I'm so used to knowing exactly what's going on and to having strong reads that I think I was compensating but trying to give too much except that it was all obvious garbage. It's really uncomfortable being in this position where I really don't know what's going on even though I wish I did.
Everything I've done up to now has deserved a lynch. I've played pretty fucking terribly and none of my reads are actually that good. I def gonna start playing differently starting now since I've recognized what's been going on. The most I can do for town right now is prove to you somehow that I'm town. I'm basically starting over from now. I've scrapped basically all my reads and I'm probably going to go and re-read most of the game again with a different mindset.
I recognize what's been going on!
On March 06 2014 06:45 Killing wrote:
I can confirm GGtemplar's post is correct LOL
GGTemplar's post in which he says my post said "I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I'M DOING" is correct.
On March 06 2014 07:15 Killing wrote:
I really have no good reads on anyone except for the DM players whom I think are all town. Considering that, two of my town reads are voting on VE and I have no strong scum read on anyone else. At the moment, he's my best option from my eyes. I recognize what's going on ....... but I have no scumreads.
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Secretly hoping that this is Palmar voting VE to scare people on VE so they vote Killing instead.
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On March 06 2014 07:47 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 07:43 IAmRobik wrote:
Joey was _NOT_ making up his reads. Stop it. To clarify....JOEY'S READS HAVEN'T EVEN CHANGED SINCE HE'S REEVALUATED. READ WHAT HE SAID AND READ HOW HE WAS CONVINCED HE NEEDED TO REREAD AND REEVALUATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE SAID HE WAS SO WRONG AND CAME TO THE SAME CONCLUSIONS AS BEFORE. Austin...PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do me a favor and make a quick case against VE (even if you think Joey is more scummy) I'll save why this is a ridiculous request for later.
If VE flips scum, here's why he's scum:
VE's first burst of real activity is trying to push that idea that Boone isn't magically scum for outing a QT. It serves scum no purpose to out a QT, or to try and draw a claim from the foundation QT, therefore, Boone isn't scum for doing this. BUT ALSO, he notes that scum gets basically nothing out of this. Her doing something and leaving is...rumbly in his tummy, but her outing the QT is not, in and of itself, a scummy thing.
Assorted poking, but not really scumhunting. Robik posts a list, VE says he's town too and should be on Robik's list. Pokes at DI. Tries to separate the two. These are all posts that don't scumhunt, although they DO maybe serve to keep thread legible.
VE thinks Slam has been INTENTIONALLY trying to make himself hard to understand - + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2014 05:25 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2014 05:09 austinmcc wrote:On March 05 2014 05:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
@austin
Alak is fearless in his trolling, Grack not so fearless. Between the two I'd say Grack has a higher chance of flipping scum based on what's been said, Alak more likely to flip town. I don't think they both scum, but it's possible they both town. You're of the opinion that they've both just been purely trolling? Nothing's non-trolly and valuable for readin'? No Alak has been providing limited opinions - I say limited because he's intentionally trying to make himself hard to understand. Grack has also been providing opinions, but what he's been doing I wouldn't classify as trolling, and that's why I say he's not fearless this game. He quickly faded off the trolling early and got to business, and I don't expect that from a town-aligned Grack.
VE was suspicious of Templar, then feels good and swaps to boone in a SINGLE POST with nothing else. His reason for swapping is super mega mega not good by me. On March 05 2014 17:50 VisceraEyes wrote:I feel better about GGTemp from him posting - not so much because I like his targets or his townreads or whatever, but because the way he's defending himself /feels/ genuine. Like, "I wasn't here, now I am, deal wit it". Boone's defense however looks like this: Show nested quote +On March 05 2014 09:33 boonetown wrote:
Okay templar, this is for you...
I have called you out, and have even voted on you (as have a few others). In video mafia, you're a pretty easy read for me which I have already stated, and you have neglected to speak much at all in the thread. I will for now assume you are using the QT, because you just laying low and not talking at all would be super weird for me. I would like for you to at least talk a little in here, so we can get a better read on you.
Tell me your thoughts on the game thus far, and how you feel about the reasons i've stated for you to be scum. You of all people know how I play, so cough it up, do you disagree with my read on you and if so, why?
Note how diplomatic this is. She's supposedly suspicious of Templar too, and look at the bolded statement! Who asks a scumread if they disagree with them ABOUT themselves? Does that even make sense? To anyone? What's he supposed to say there? "Oh well you know, I wasn't convinced before but now I guess you're right I could be scum" No. He's not supposed to say anything but "no" in that situation regardless of his alignment, so why ask it? This whole post reads to me like she knows Temp is town but wants him to townread her even though she has to call him scum based on her previous posting. She's concerned about appearing consistent. It's scummy, and frankly I could lynch boone today. ##Unvote
##Vote: boonetownI'll be back tomorrow to see if she posts anything valuable to me, but right now I think she's a good lynch. Boone is asking a scum suspect if he agrees with her scumread on him.
Therefore she is mafia.
WAT? (1) She's done more than just that this game. (2) That's a ridiculous thing to call someone scum for (imo). (3) Seriously, there are 12 non-VEs in this game and his vote goes on someone for asking their scumread if that person agrees with the scumread.
This post, again, with a changed read and vote, is similarly...kinda weakOn March 06 2014 03:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
Boone is a hard read on Forum mafia. She's very good at Video Mafia, but one thing I've noticed about her play in Video Mafia is that it's based EXCLUSIVELY on body reads. She has NEVER in my experience with her made a read based on what people have said, logic, contradictions, anything. She has SPECTACULAR reads....when they're made based on body reads.
That being said, I'm willing to give her more time to prove to at least me that she's just out of her medium here.
##Unvote
##Vote: Killing Boone is a hard read on forum mafia [citation needed]. I'm willing to give her more time to prove to me that she's out of her medium.
Boone was just scummy for doing an explicit thing --> asking a scumread about the correctness of the read. Now she's just hard to read, maybe out of her medium, unvote.
THIS UNVOTE IS SMELLY. THE VOTE IS SOMEWHAT SMELLY BUT JUST. He never explains his unvote of boone further, despite me asking him. Seriously, he thinks she did a scummy thing. It doesn't matter if she comes from voice mafia or face mafia or toe mafia or is actually a popsicle. She did a scummy thing. Suddenly that doesn't matter.
When asked about Boone's medic claim, he missed it. Or "missed it." This means he unvoted because of the reasons he gave (assuming truthfulness on missing medic), which again, are so bahd. Everyone else swapped off boone because of x, he swaps because of y, and y is ... not a thing I like.
THERE'S NOT A PARTICULARLY COHERENT CASE AGAINST VE BUT I THREW THIS TOGETHER BECAUSE I LIKE SILLY CHALLENGES SO MUCH
WHY IS VE MAFIA?
(1) HE'S NOT REALLY HUNTING SCUM. HE'S ACTIVE ABOUT BOONE POSTING ABOUT QT, ROBIK/DI FIGHTING, BLAH BLAH, BUT HE'S NEVER REALLY LEADING THE PACK WITH A CURIOUS SCUMREAD.
(2) HE, IN FACT, HAS NO CURIOUS SCUMREADS. ALL HIS DISCUSSION TOPICS ARE SAFE AND SUSPICIOUS AND HE CAN JUST CHAT ABOUT THEM.
(3) HE SWAPS HIS VOTES FOR REASONS I DON'T LIKE, AND THE JUSTIFICATIONS HE GIVES FOR HIS SWAPS (BOONE IS HARD TO READ ON FORUM MAFIA) RING HOLLOW.
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gg folks.
Really enjoyed this one. I really like the idea behind having a half-player in Hari, who can do some stuff, but not everything, and maybe isn't trustworthy. I liked silent nights + QTs. I think in the same vein as having scum powers to mess with Hari's interaction with thread, a different spin on this game might give scum powers to mess with the QTs. Either to make sure a scummer was in the main QT one day, or for one person to be able to pull in another if ever put into a QT. Something to make the QTs a bit minigame-ish, where they can really try and influence townie thought in the QTs.
rayn you are a dirty liar, and I can't believe I forgot to tell Boone that you'd claimed cop to me and to watch you.
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On March 12 2014 08:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still don't understand the austin kill. Why kill someone everyone is suspicious of? I don't remember people being suspicious of me at the end of the day. A little boone suspicion, and slam was on me, but otherwise hadn't everyone moved off?
Pretty sure that the end of D1 looked really townie for me.
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Like...when I was posting on killing i KNOW I got a couple people on board, and I know Palmar saw me as posting like townMe.
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On March 12 2014 08:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2014 08:42 IAmRobik wrote:
That's fucking weird that I'm the only one who read Austin town. What fucking mafia takes however fucking long it took him to write a long ass post on what someone (VE) could be mafia (the case wasn't even that good) after saying "i don't know why you want me to do this" insinuating that he was going to be voting Joey anyway.
Because it's a fluff post that does not matter and possibly counts as a "contribution". In a game where the voting is close, ESPECIALLY where the voting is close between mafia and townies, mafia wouldn't give up the last 20 minutes of the day to go write a case on a townie that they don't think is mafia.
imo
The moment killing flips, not only was I pushing him D1, but instead of messing with votes or trying to do anything to save a buddy, I go write a case on a guy all the while saying I think he's town. I don't see mafia doing that.
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On March 12 2014 08:43 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2014 08:42 austinmcc wrote:On March 12 2014 08:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still don't understand the austin kill. Why kill someone everyone is suspicious of? I don't remember people being suspicious of me at the end of the day. A little boone suspicion, and slam was on me, but otherwise hadn't everyone moved off? Pretty sure that the end of D1 looked really townie for me. Yes. But if I had seen what you wrote about me in your little qt I wouldn't have trusted you! I would have dropped you once killing flipped.
You felt VERY townie to me in PYP:LoL if I remember correctly, and here you felt...middle of the pack-ish. Just something I didn't pick up on or a vibe you weren't throwing off. But like rayn pointed out, the two of you together didn't make sense, and I wouldn't have pushed you over killing. Mainly just wanted to poke you on D2, try to get you to post more, commit to some thoughts, and read you off that.
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On March 12 2014 08:47 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2014 08:46 austinmcc wrote:On March 12 2014 08:43 justanothertownie wrote:On March 12 2014 08:42 austinmcc wrote:On March 12 2014 08:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still don't understand the austin kill. Why kill someone everyone is suspicious of? I don't remember people being suspicious of me at the end of the day. A little boone suspicion, and slam was on me, but otherwise hadn't everyone moved off? Pretty sure that the end of D1 looked really townie for me. Yes. But if I had seen what you wrote about me in your little qt I wouldn't have trusted you! I would have dropped you once killing flipped. You felt VERY townie to me in PYP:LoL if I remember correctly, and here you felt...middle of the pack-ish. Just something I didn't pick up on or a vibe you weren't throwing off. But like rayn pointed out, the two of you together didn't make sense, and I wouldn't have pushed you over killing. Mainly just wanted to poke you on D2, try to get you to post more, commit to some thoughts, and read you off that. To post more? I had the biggest filter in the game after day1! It sounds dumb, but yeah. Even if the volume of posts was high, I didn't have a clear read on you, and so was gonna pester you a bit and get more posts.
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On March 12 2014 08:58 boonetown wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2014 08:41 austinmcc wrote:
gg folks.
Really enjoyed this one. I really like the idea behind having a half-player in Hari, who can do some stuff, but not everything, and maybe isn't trustworthy. I liked silent nights + QTs. I think in the same vein as having scum powers to mess with Hari's interaction with thread, a different spin on this game might give scum powers to mess with the QTs. Either to make sure a scummer was in the main QT one day, or for one person to be able to pull in another if ever put into a QT. Something to make the QTs a bit minigame-ish, where they can really try and influence townie thought in the QTs.
rayn you are a dirty liar, and I can't believe I forgot to tell Boone that you'd claimed cop to me and to watch you. whaaaaaaaaaat So, in QT, I had a weird question to rayn about whether if he were a Thug he would be koshi.
We played in another game, Thug Life Mafia. A guy named Koshi was a cop in that setup. Essentially, I wanted to ask if he was a cop without you knowing it, cuz I'm sneaky and also an idiot sometimes.
rayn started off by saying he didn't want us posting in QT until we were 100% confirmed. There's no way to confirm people except with flips, so i thought he MIGHT be a cop. He made one or two references to cops/checks in thread, making me a little coppier on him. Given that you claimed medic, I thought maybe things WERE kinda heavily themed, and our QT had a couple power roles to try and lead town/win the game.
I didn't trust you FULLY at that point, so I didn't want you to know. And i MEANT to tell you before N1 was up that was what had happened, but forgot. Was focused on not sucking so hard in another game.
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On March 12 2014 09:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Now everyone let's go play the MSPaint Titanic game. Maybe we can be friends there austin!  I wanna play Dr. Who though 
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You 100% claimed cop.
rayn, if you were a thug this game would your name be Koshi?
then a couple minutes later
rayn rayn, I'm actually really interested in this, just for a moment.
(1) /m36 ? (my question)
(2) If no, how do you propose we magically confirm people in here?
And you said you would be koshi, a couple times. And I hinted that I was saying something in particular
/m38 YOU UNDERSTAND ME?
Then later I have you as possibly scum "if you're lying."
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Hahaha, if we were both town things would have ended as usual, with both thinking the other was mafia.
Also, looking back, I could have put way more emphasis on Thug or something, it didn't come across as strongly as I wanted it to.
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