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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 05 2014 21:12 GMT
#1237
What matches up to past town games of his?

Dashing good looks? Ice cream flavor preferences? His undying quest to call me scum and get me lynched sometimes?
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 05 2014 21:28 GMT
#1246
slam, still same question

boone, why is Killing town?

He was a townread in your first list of reads, without really any reasoning. You say you don't think he's mafia
On March 06 2014 06:00 boonetown wrote:
I'm so fucking confused this game, and i hate you all. My reads are literally changing by the minute and I hate it, I feel like a flip flopping fool right now.

I dont think Killing or templar are mafia.


but your only meat on him is here:
On March 06 2014 02:37 boonetown wrote:
GGtemplar plays very paranoid and standoffish as town, and pretty trolly/vote happy as mafia. My initial read on him was mafia because he was throwing votes around like they were nothing and with no explaination, but he then gave his post of shit, which was perfect for me. That's town templar almost to a tee.

my read on killing is more complicated, because i hate him as a person but love him as a player. i think he's smart enough to realize when i'm acting differently, and until his recent post he was doing that. I dont want to say he's mafia because of his most recent post, joey is ALWAYS nervous of my allignment, and views me as mafia 99% of the time. I see this as no different.


Which is that you think he's smart enough to do what he was doing but then wasn't doing. And that he's nervous of your alignment, and ALWAYS is such.

Can you...speak about his read on you, or his admission that he's just making stuff up?
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 05 2014 21:33 GMT
#1249
On March 06 2014 06:30 Killing wrote:
Austin, if you somehow found out I was town, who would be your lynch
Likely slam.

I'm not as sold on GGTemplar as others. There are conversations he carries on that read townie to me. I don't care that he calls 4-5 people scummy. I think the targets he chose there (VE when VE wasn't being discussed, Palmar for fluff when nobody wanted to lynch Palmar) are super sexy mafia-inclined targets.

None of the other vote-getters really rev me up
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 05 2014 21:34 GMT
#1251
On March 06 2014 06:32 boonetown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 06:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On March 06 2014 06:00 boonetown wrote:
I'm so fucking confused this game, and i hate you all. My reads are literally changing by the minute and I hate it, I feel like a flip flopping fool right now.

I dont think Killing or templar are mafia.


Did you read his last post alignment indicative at all?


when have you ever seen joey so vulnerable and willing to admit his faults? i think i've only seen it once, and he was town who realized he was super fucking wrong on everything.
Please explain this, as well as the other stuff re: killing.

What faults is he admitting to, in your opinion? How is admitting them townie?
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 05 2014 21:39 GMT
#1253
What did he admit that he was wrong about?
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 05 2014 21:44 GMT
#1256
You said he's "willing to admit his faults" here, and "unwilling to admit he's wrong" when he plays scum.

I personally think that's a misrepresentation of this
On March 06 2014 05:26 Killing wrote:
Ok, so I don't really know where to start with this. I read a bit that people hated what I had to say earlier so I went to re-read it and couldn't stop laughing at how terrible it was. I think I've been going about playing thsi shit completely wrong. I was just straight up making shit up and pretending to know what I was talking about. I'm so used to knowing exactly what's going on and to having strong reads that I think I was compensating but trying to give too much except that it was all obvious garbage. It's really uncomfortable being in this position where I really don't know what's going on even though I wish I did.

Everything I've done up to now has deserved a lynch. I've played pretty fucking terribly and none of my reads are actually that good. I def gonna start playing differently starting now since I've recognized what's been going on. The most I can do for town right now is prove to you somehow that I'm town. I'm basically starting over from now. I've scrapped basically all my reads and I'm probably going to go and re-read most of the game again with a different mindset.

Especially things like
I've played pretty fucking terribly and none of my reads are actually that good.
I was just straight up making shit up and pretending to know what I was talking about.
As to the first, how does he know his reads are bad? Nobody has flipped. He has no way of knowing whether his reads are good, bad, 50/50, anything. He's apologizing for having BAD READS on D1 when we don't know any alignments.

In the second bit, he says he was STRAIGHT UP MAKING SHIT UP. You don't "apologize" for making shit up, or "admit that you were wrong" to make shit up. You don't make everything up and go "oops, it was wrong to do that." You KNOW it's wrong to MANUFACTURE FALSE STUFF.

I don't think saying "i screwed up by making shit up" is a ... townie apology. Making shit up is a BAD THING. It's a SCUMMY THING. Manufacturing reads is straight up scummy, and saying you did it doesn't make it townie.


I am grilling you because I think when you say him apologizing = town, you gloss over the specifics of what he said he's done and will do. "My posts were scummy and my reads were bad (but I can't know this) and I made stuff up, but I'll scrap some of that and PROBABLY go re-read the thred" is not, imo, a townie thing at all.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 05 2014 21:48 GMT
#1262
Like, he essentially says:
  • the posts people hate are terrible
  • i was making shit up. I was compensating for normally knowing exactly what's going on (how does one do this as town) and was overcompensating with garbage
  • I don't know what's going on but wish I did
  • What I've done deserves a lynch
  • None of my reads are good
  • I'M GOING TO START PLAYING DIFFERENTLY NOW, SINCE I'VE RECOGNIZED WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON (where. When did he recognize this? What does he think is going on? He didn't speak to that AT ALL and still hasn't. How does he know what's going on?)
  • I'm starting over, scrapping basically all my reads (which ones. Why keep the others?)
  • I'll PROBABLY go reread MOST of the game again


I see a promise of townie actions, both at the time of the post (i've scrapped some reads and understand the game) and in the future. I don't see any explanation why some reads were bad, how he understands the game, etc. I don't see any followup.

I see that he RECOGNIZES the things he did were scummy. Saying so doesn't make him town or scum. It makes him a player who has done scummy stuff and sees that. The specific things he's apologizing for are also, imo, not...things you can just go "oopsies" on and be townie.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 05 2014 21:50 GMT
#1265
On March 06 2014 06:46 Alakaslam wrote:
I said gutmeta

I interpreted that as part gut, part meta.

I was asking specifically what meta stuff makes you townie on rayn. What has he done here that he does in town games but not scum games?
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 05 2014 21:52 GMT
#1269
On March 06 2014 06:51 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 06:50 austinmcc wrote:
On March 06 2014 06:46 Alakaslam wrote:
I said gutmeta

I interpreted that as part gut, part meta.

I was asking specifically what meta stuff makes you townie on rayn. What has he done here that he does in town games but not scum games?

Vague memory is all I got.

But I reads you totes scum dude what you gonna do when Thuu strikes?
Throw two more strikes to Thuu.

HE'S OUTTA HERE.

What do you vaguely remember? What is it that he's doing that you vaguely connect to something else? ANYTHING particular?
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 05 2014 21:58 GMT
#1273
So a venomless snake (who would be particularly bad at baseball) is going to bite me?

I AIN'T SKURRED
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 05 2014 22:04 GMT
#1278
On March 06 2014 07:01 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 06:46 Killing wrote:
On March 06 2014 06:44 austinmcc wrote:
You said he's "willing to admit his faults" here, and "unwilling to admit he's wrong" when he plays scum.

I personally think that's a misrepresentation of this
On March 06 2014 05:26 Killing wrote:
Ok, so I don't really know where to start with this. I read a bit that people hated what I had to say earlier so I went to re-read it and couldn't stop laughing at how terrible it was. I think I've been going about playing thsi shit completely wrong. I was just straight up making shit up and pretending to know what I was talking about. I'm so used to knowing exactly what's going on and to having strong reads that I think I was compensating but trying to give too much except that it was all obvious garbage. It's really uncomfortable being in this position where I really don't know what's going on even though I wish I did.

Everything I've done up to now has deserved a lynch. I've played pretty fucking terribly and none of my reads are actually that good. I def gonna start playing differently starting now since I've recognized what's been going on. The most I can do for town right now is prove to you somehow that I'm town. I'm basically starting over from now. I've scrapped basically all my reads and I'm probably going to go and re-read most of the game again with a different mindset.

Especially things like
I've played pretty fucking terribly and none of my reads are actually that good.
I was just straight up making shit up and pretending to know what I was talking about.
As to the first, how does he know his reads are bad? Nobody has flipped. He has no way of knowing whether his reads are good, bad, 50/50, anything. He's apologizing for having BAD READS on D1 when we don't know any alignments.

In the second bit, he says he was STRAIGHT UP MAKING SHIT UP. You don't "apologize" for making shit up, or "admit that you were wrong" to make shit up. You don't make everything up and go "oops, it was wrong to do that." You KNOW it's wrong to MANUFACTURE FALSE STUFF.

I don't think saying "i screwed up by making shit up" is a ... townie apology. Making shit up is a BAD THING. It's a SCUMMY THING. Manufacturing reads is straight up scummy, and saying you did it doesn't make it townie.


I am grilling you because I think when you say him apologizing = town, you gloss over the specifics of what he said he's done and will do. "My posts were scummy and my reads were bad (but I can't know this) and I made stuff up, but I'll scrap some of that and PROBABLY go re-read the thred" is not, imo, a townie thing at all.


WELL I DIDN'T REALLY WANNA JUST SIT THERE AS TOWN AND SAY THE FUCK IS GOING ON but at this point I think it's best for my game as well as overall town.

There is an hour till deadline. Where are your new reads?
They're in the same place as what led to his understanding of the game, how he knows his reads were bad, what reads he wasn't going to scrap, and why he wasn't going to scrap those particular reads.

Nowheresville.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 05 2014 22:07 GMT
#1280
Robik, if you believe Killing is ... curious/mafia, and my case or posts on him is/are good, then why vote DI, who is not getting lynched today?
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 05 2014 22:12 GMT
#1283
Because now if you think Killing is mafia and VE isn't, it will be 4-4 and VE will still get lynched because you sat on DI for most of the day despite wanting to lynch one of the main candidates.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 05 2014 22:12 GMT
#1285
^ to robik as an addendum to the post on last page
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 05 2014 22:16 GMT
#1288
On March 06 2014 07:15 Killing wrote:
I really have no good reads on anyone except for the DM players whom I think are all town. Considering that, two of my town reads are voting on VE and I have no strong scum read on anyone else. At the moment, he's my best option from my eyes.
WHY do they you think are town, and which players specifically are the DM ones (I don't actually know )


Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 05 2014 22:20 GMT
#1294
On March 06 2014 07:18 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 07:07 austinmcc wrote:
Robik, if you believe Killing is ... curious/mafia, and my case or posts on him is/are good, then why vote DI, who is not getting lynched today?

Cause I'm going to snipe vote the shit out of someone. Cause I'm town and I can do that type of shit and get away with it cause IDGAF about looking scummy (well I kinda do, but like, I'm super obv town so yah)
The problem with that is that it's now

4 VE
3 Killing
3 GGTemplar

You lost the chance to snipe Killing or GGTemplar and send them to 4 first.

Even if you want to change your vote, you should put it on someone that might get lynched, because the order in which players reach the top votes matters.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 05 2014 22:23 GMT
#1300
On March 06 2014 07:21 Killing wrote:
GGTemplar
Robik
Boone

are the DM players.

GGtemplar: After going over his posts, I have the strong feeling that he's town. He hasn't been trying to lead any one lynch nor has he just straight up tunneled on anyone that is town. I feel like he's trying to figure out the game and that he's constantly reconsidering his reads. I think he would have pushed on me a lot harder than he did when I was an easy lynch a couple of hours ago.

Boone: She claimed medic and I kinda beleive her so she's off the table.

Robik: He's trying playing his typical town play which is scrutinize everything everyone says and nit pick at anything. If he find something that he believes might be a sign of scum, he'll go really hard on that person. If he's mafia, I believe he'd be less active towards the end of the day since he isn't the target but he's still been active.
Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 05 2014 22:29 GMT
#1305
JAT, previously you seemed scummy on Killing but you didn't want to vote him because scary meanies were voting him.

Do you still hold to that? Are his voters scary meanies?



Also since that time, he has returned to the thread. Does his return to the thread make you feel warm and happy like it does for Boone? If yes, what parts. If no, do they make you feel he is scummier?
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 05 2014 22:37 GMT
#1315
On March 06 2014 07:35 Grackaroni wrote:
Austin I know that Killing is being useless but that really isn't how scum plays.
The faction that manufactures reads is ____________
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 05 2014 22:39 GMT
#1323
The faction that ALWAYS manufactures scum reads is __________________
The faction that produces more than 95% of gross manufactured read output (gMRO) is ________________
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