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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 11 2014 11:08 GMT
#2425
New list time town to scum
town tier
Palmar
JAT
Slam


maybe town tier
rayn
robik
dandel


Man I wish we had a vigi to put this shit to rest tier
boone

maybe scum tier
templar
grack


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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 11 2014 13:57 GMT
#2512
rayn looking town in this conversation, templar is the lynch.

Grack looks slightly better for defending me. Ez game for maf, just don't call palmar scum.

Maybe we should come back to lynching that lurky and statement posts medic..
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 11 2014 13:58 GMT
#2513
so many mafia fuck up and call me scum all the time. all you have to do is just call me town all the time and agree with everything I say and I think you're confirmed town.

maybe one mafia is doing that ^^
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 11 2014 14:05 GMT
#2516
Man I hope you're right rayn so I can ride my confirmed town status for the rest of the game.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 11 2014 14:29 GMT
#2526
Well if templar is town Robik, who is scum?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 11 2014 14:49 GMT
#2536
I just read the voting thread, I think I may be mafia.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 11 2014 14:54 GMT
#2542
Palmar:
Surprise motherfucker. I just finished up that other game. Taking over for these assholes now.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 11 2014 15:00 GMT
#2544
well I haven't written a case against myself yet, I did that in the last game.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 11 2014 15:23 GMT
#2546
he missed private Gumshoe /salute.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 11 2014 15:57 GMT
#2547
so guys

Everybody cool?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 11 2014 16:24 GMT
#2551
On March 12 2014 01:04 IAmRobik wrote:
I'm at work, but I'm here. We're not being productive and if Palmar is town, he's still not doing dick, so like, I'm perfectly happy to lynch him cause he's probably mafia. And at the end of the game if he flips town and calls us bad for lynching him, well it's his fucking fault cause he's "confused" but didn't put the effort into the game that it deserved.


Palmar from QT:
Show nested quote +
the difference is I am perfectly aware I'm not playing well this game. I've said so numerous times in the thread. If me playing badly for a game means that you're unable to discern between genuine confusion and mafia agenda, then that makes you no better this game than I am.

I play a ton of games, last three games I've played as town I've been spot on, I said pretty early on this game that I simply couldn't figure it out, hence "I'm having a bad game". It happens to everyone that isn't marv/syllo every once in a while.

So, this is the question. You seem to be under the impression you're playing a good game. I can't argue with your results, but how about you show that when there's actual pressure to do so. I am not mafia, none of the points you brought up make me mafia and I explained why. I don't think you are mafia (remember, I called you town very early in the game, I never voted for you on day 2 and went for killing instead, go read my day 2 filter).

If I am right that you're town, you should see that I did not look for the easy lynch by jumping on Dandel's bandwagon yesterday. I could have, but I didn't.

So I'm challenging you to really think about what you're doing. I mean, if you do and come back thinking I'm still mafia, so be it, and if you manage to get me lynched that's my bad, but don't claim in the post-game or after the flip that it was because I was playing scummy, because I am not, and I can go through great detail explaining why.


If you're town this game palmar, you're a lazy POS and you should be rereading and trying to solve the game, not doing jack shit, having superficial interactions with yourself and with JAT.


I am putting in effort, you're just not paying attention or you're unhappy I don't agree with your conclusions. I am not mafia, I am not being lazy and I'm most definitely not a piece of shit. You need to chill out dude.

It's not my fault if you're skimming over the posts I've written today. I've, for example posted more than you, and there's quite a few interesting developments in my posts! You should read them at some point!
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 11 2014 16:26 GMT
#2553
Also I don't call people bad post-game for lynching me, unless it's done without giving me a chance to explain things. You have given me plenty of time to explain things so if I get lynched it's on me.

Remember, if I get lynched because you want me lynched, you've successfully managed to lynch me using terrible arguments (they're terrible by definition as I'm not mafia) and I couldn't win over bad arguments.

hence, my fault.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 11 2014 16:43 GMT
#2559
If there is it's totally dandel because he sheeped me, not the other way around.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 11 2014 16:43 GMT
#2560
very logic.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 11 2014 16:46 GMT
#2562
So who scum boone?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 11 2014 16:55 GMT
#2570
On March 12 2014 01:50 boonetown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 22:57 Palmar wrote:
rayn looking town in this conversation, templar is the lynch.

Grack looks slightly better for defending me. Ez game for maf, just don't call palmar scum.

Maybe we should come back to lynching that lurky and statement posts medic..


you aren't lynching me today, yes i have been a little lurky the last day or so, but i have been active in the earlier days. life happens as i'm sure you're all aware. i am here now and just reading through the pages.

other than you thinking i should be policy lynched for something i didn't realize i wasn't supposed to do, or making "statement posts" which might just be the way i play... what else makes me mafia in your eyes?


Now don't go all lying on me, you have the shortest filter of anyone in the game by quite a bit.

That's a good metric for lynching scum usually.

But hey, I'm the listening type of person, let's hear what you have to say.

And my vote isn't actually on you, I am not pushing towards your lynch right now, and that is precisely because all I have on you is that you are some wifom day 1 roleclaiming medic thing + your posts look very much like statement posts and you're very inactive and don't interact much with people in the thread.

This looks bad, but I can't conclude you must be scum because of those things. So for now you're just some random medic.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 11 2014 16:56 GMT
#2573
On March 12 2014 01:51 IAmRobik wrote:
My lynches today are Grack and Palmar with a sprinkle of Dandelion. I know that Rayn is gonna keep pushing Templar, but I refuse to vote on him and think he'd be a terrible lynch...About as terrible a lynch as Rayn thinks Dandelion is.


I like how you're doing exactly the same shit to me today as Dandel did to you yesterday that made you go mental.

Don't ignore me buddy.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 11 2014 17:07 GMT
#2584
On March 12 2014 01:56 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
So Palmar, if you assume I am town, who is scum for you?


If there is a green check on you I guess I just work on the list I posted, you can check it out yourself. Grack/boone are the next two options at the moment, but I could be wrong on someone like dandel. or maybe even robik. Until I think otherwise rayn is town and I'm pretty sure everyone agrees slam/jat are town.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 11 2014 17:16 GMT
#2590
On March 12 2014 01:59 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2014 01:56 Palmar wrote:
On March 12 2014 01:51 IAmRobik wrote:
My lynches today are Grack and Palmar with a sprinkle of Dandelion. I know that Rayn is gonna keep pushing Templar, but I refuse to vote on him and think he'd be a terrible lynch...About as terrible a lynch as Rayn thinks Dandelion is.


I like how you're doing exactly the same shit to me today as Dandel did to you yesterday that made you go mental.

Don't ignore me buddy.

I've already pointed out what I thought was scummy about you. You didn't really respond other than 'well, i'm confused this game and I suck this game so uhhh, yea. I can't be mafia cause I flipped off of mafia and onto town"


then respond to it. For reference your reasons are here:

On March 11 2014 05:28 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 05:27 Palmar wrote:
On March 11 2014 05:24 IAmRobik wrote:
##unvote
##vote Palmar


Based on what?

VE vote d1
-subpar play all game
-increased activity today when you knew you were going to get pressure
-hari's ungodly wisdom


And my response is here:

On March 11 2014 07:22 Palmar wrote:
1. The VE vote was the most towny thing I've one this entire game. It was a terrible play, but it was not mafia play. Remember that I started out on VE. Then I randomly decided all the scum was on VE's wagon so I moved over to Killing, then I figured VE wasn't defending himself and was probably scum and went back.

I had no guarantee that enough people would follow me to make the lynches count. In fact I pushed a few people onto Killing (who in your theory is my scumpartner) before moving back.

2. Yes I've had an off game. That doesn't make me mafia, it just means that something about this game doesn't quite click for me. Even now I'm still constantly doubting myself. I'm having to remind myself that rayn's interactions with ggtemplar look quite good, just so I don't doubt the townread on him because he feels still somewhat off this game.

3. Today is not weekend. That helps?

4. Shouldn't you be trying to lynch Grack then? hairy seems much more confident in his grack read.


If you are not going to change your mind, you have to explain why my rebuttal is not satisfactory. Feel free to call me mafia but your thought process needs to be entirely in the thread for everyone to see, if you successfully lynch me it'll be there for everyone to scrutinize after I flip.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 11 2014 17:23 GMT
#2597
On March 12 2014 02:15 IAmRobik wrote:
This string makes me think Grack could be town:

Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 04:24 Grackaroni wrote:
Killing's probably the more likely scum of the two.


Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 05:14 Grackaroni wrote:
The grackaroni hath fail sheep to get. But once fail perhaps win

##Unvote: VE
##Vote: Killing


Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 05:20 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 06 2014 05:18 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 06 2014 05:17 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 06 2014 05:14 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 06 2014 05:14 Grackaroni wrote:
The grackaroni hath fail sheep to get. But once fail perhaps win

##Unvote: VE
##Vote: Killing

Hijole

I believe ¡Hijole! is the proper term.


Forgive me for I am new to the way of CHUPAZI.

Mind giving a short reasoning for killing over templar?

I'm basically just sheeping between the two.

Austin and Robik pointed out some strange contradictions from killing's reads and I put some faith in Boone's reads of the DM players.






Having said the above, do you guys believe that this is a rational reaction to Joey's woe is me post?
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On March 06 2014 05:29 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 06 2014 05:26 Killing wrote:
Ok, so I don't really know where to start with this. I read a bit that people hated what I had to say earlier so I went to re-read it and couldn't stop laughing at how terrible it was. I think I've been going about playing thsi shit completely wrong. I was just straight up making shit up and pretending to know what I was talking about. I'm so used to knowing exactly what's going on and to having strong reads that I think I was compensating but trying to give too much except that it was all obvious garbage. It's really uncomfortable being in this position where I really don't know what's going on even though I wish I did.

Everything I've done up to now has deserved a lynch. I've played pretty fucking terribly and none of my reads are actually that good. I def gonna start playing differently starting now since I've recognized what's been going on. The most I can do for town right now is prove to you somehow that I'm town. I'm basically starting over from now. I've scrapped basically all my reads and I'm probably going to go and re-read most of the game again with a different mindset.


lol ok this guy is not mafia.


Yes I already pointed out that this "remorse post" where Grack cleared killing looks somewhat bad and in addition his follow-up was Killing-favored. Here's what I wrote about the same part of the game as you are looking out.

(I know you're trying hard to ignore my content but looksy, it's there!)

On March 10 2014 19:09 Palmar wrote:

-snip-

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On March 06 2014 03:49 Grackaroni wrote:
hmmm I like Austin's killing points.


Again, to be fair to Grack, he did like me come around on austinmcc when austin started posting.

The timing of this post is very important. Grack who had previously agreed to a Killing lynch changed his mind based on Killing's "remorse" post, if you want to call it that. He then moved over to VE who Grack was also pressuring at the time. This next post is written when I had just made the switch over to Killing and called for everyone to go hammer Killing (something Grack did not do).

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On March 06 2014 07:56 Grackaroni wrote:
wtf is palmar doing?


Since this Grack hasn't really done anything at all in the game. He argued a bit with Oatsmaster, but his filter is extremely short and he doesn't appear to be really trying to win.

That all being said, he has for the most part explained his pushes (his VE push had reasons, they weren't great but they were there). He did explain why the post by killing made Grack think Killing is town. So there are some points in his favor.

However his filter is _extremely_ short, there is almost no content in it. And here's another post that looks quite bad.

Show nested quote +
On March 09 2014 00:09 Grackaroni wrote:
Has anyone questioned Palmar on his thought process from the end of the day?


He never followed up on this against me, didn't even bother asking me himself. He just threw that out there but apparently did not care at all about the results this would generate.

He may be lazy and trolling but he may also be scum.

-snip-


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