I'm a cop you idiot mafia 2

On February 27 2014 14:19 JarJarDrinks wrote:

Explain how I'm being noob please. I think I defended the doctor claim thing pretty well. In fact I'm curious how anyone can disagree w/ me on it @ this point.

On February 27 2014 16:31 Xatalos wrote:
I'm just saying that it's unlikely for an experienced scum player to advocate something that A) is unlikely to succeed B) makes himself look more suspicious.

On February 27 2014 17:18 Xatalos wrote:


It would be pretty stupid for all the blue roles to claim in any setup (unless like 40-50% of the roles were blue roles). I just don't get why he's super-town for NOT doing something scummy that clearly would be scummy and wouldn't almost certainly achieve anything.

On February 27 2014 23:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Oats also keeps going on the offensive whenever he's attacked for something and twists whatever he's attacking. Xatalos asking Oats why his scumread is town, rescinds the request, and despite Oats saying beforehand that it's good to share scumreads he goes and says sharing scumreads is good without sharing why he thinks BH is supertown.

On February 28 2014 01:15 Xatalos wrote:


How is noticing your lack of logic in any way alignment indicative? And what could you possibly achieve by "baiting" town by playing irrationally?

On February 28 2014 01:28 Xatalos wrote:
Even if you think it's more beneficial to share reads right now, just as NK decisions are being made, it's blatantly false to say that there's "literally no reason" not to.

On February 28 2014 10:23 Sn0_Man wrote:
Dear Oats,

Why the fuck would we not no-lynch?

just voting is scumclaiming, or near enough

@JJD I don't think cop would return blue, it would return green lol

On February 28 2014 10:14 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I lied cause I wanted there to be a counter. I figured scum might not counter if everyone was all in on Xat being town.

Xat is 100% the cop because if he was scum he'd have no way to know Sn0 wouldn't be the actual cop which would immediately out Xat as the fake (cause he gave him a green check).

That logic make sense to everyone?

On February 28 2014 17:27 Xatalos wrote:
Well, it seems like the game is basically solved already. Sylencia+Oats openly allied with each other in order to make a desperate last attempt at mislynching me today (and probably winning the game unless there's a lucky Doctor save). Sylencia is obviously Mafia and there's no way Oats would be 100% convinced I'm scum and try to get me lynched today if he were town. Luckily there are already 2 scum on the bandwagon so there's realistically
no way it'll succeed.

From my perspective, it would be best just to hammer Sylencia right now. Then I could probably check Oats just to be 100% sure. But I guess it doesn't really matter if one of us dies (unless there's a successful Doctor save) since the situation is pretty clear anyways and a town flip + another check would just make it even clearer. Sylencia's "check" might also reveal something (like it made Sn0_Man confirmed town today).

I'd be ready to move into night phase already.

On February 28 2014 17:30 Xatalos wrote:


Oats didn't feel obvious when he jumped into supporting you immediately after you claimed?

On February 28 2014 17:42 Xatalos wrote:


What's the rush? Unless your time is running out...

On February 28 2014 17:45 Xatalos wrote:
I think it's more like the real Cop expects to claim and scum hopes to get away without needing to fakeclaim.

On February 28 2014 17:57 Xatalos wrote:
What I meant is that it was a waste of effort to pile suspicions against Sn0_Man and mostly ignore other players when he was innocent.

On February 28 2014 18:02 Xatalos wrote:
Zero effort? LOL. I've basically handed the scumteam to town on a silver platter. That's just ridiculous.

On February 28 2014 18:11 Xatalos wrote:
But I'll have to say that surviving and pretty much clearing 3 townies by D1 isn't a bad achievement. Then it's just a process of elimination that the rest are scum.

On February 28 2014 17:50 Xatalos wrote:
My original intention was to wait until scum had made their moves (making them think that I had checked BH or something). Then I noticed everyone just kept assaulting poor Sn0_Man so I thought it would be more constructive to focus attention elsewhere.

On February 28 2014 18:31 Xatalos wrote:
I'll probably vote for no-lynch soonish, but there's no rush.

1) The discussion was getting sidetracked when everyone just attacked Sn0_Man (who I knew was innocent)
2) I was going to sleep and wanted to force a counterclaim in order to confirm the scumteam
3) Why not? It just helps town overall

On February 28 2014 18:40 Xatalos wrote:
.....What's the point in lynching now? Naturally I'd prefer to lynch Sylencia, but others can't be 100% that I'm telling the truth, so it's just the optimal play to no-lynch.

On February 28 2014 18:53 Xatalos wrote:
Sigh. I don't even know why I'm explaining this, but it's just overall beneficial for town to prolong the game. More information, better results. We can't mislynch so no need to risk anything. Sylencia is confirmed scum for ME but not for others. It's just optimal to no-lynch in this situation.

On February 28 2014 19:01 Xatalos wrote:
I don't think you can possibly believe what you're saying recently.

On February 28 2014 19:06 Xatalos wrote:
1) A real cop check
2) A fake cop check
3) A town flip

Maybe not all of those, but at least 2 of them. Each one of them is helpful overall.

On February 28 2014 19:18 Xatalos wrote:
Also, if we HAD to lynch today, then almost certainly Sylencia would be lynched. If I was pushing scum agenda, I would definitely push for lynching Sylencia right away (like you are pushing me). It's risky to no-lynch as scum since there's even less space to hide tomorrow.

On February 28 2014 19:26 Xatalos wrote:
Town doesn't gather information to reinforce their existing beliefs, they gather information to find the truth. If JJD or Artanis dies, then I can be certain that that player wasn't scum.

On February 28 2014 19:35 Xatalos wrote:
Actually one of the best scenarios would be if I flipped. In that case you and Sylencia would be pretty much confirmed scum.

On February 28 2014 19:42 Xatalos wrote:
Confirmed for me != confirmed for everyone

If we get dual red-checks, we obv lynch him

On February 28 2014 23:27 JarJarDrinks wrote:
If both cops come back w/ a red check on you then we lynch you. I think that's a very possible result.

On February 28 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote:
vote no-lynch


I'm gonna go ahead and say that both cops check should oats tonight. (though everyone should chime in on this)

If we get dual red-checks, we obv lynch him
If we get dual green-checks, we @ least know that he has no alt agenda and his reads are legit
If we get conflicting reports then we @ least have more information


Then I think the Doc should heal Sn0man.

It's not the worst thing in the world if oats is town and he gets killed because if that's the case we're probably gonna get conflicting reports anyway if he survives.

Best thing that could happen is Art or me gets killed because we're the unknowns and we'd then have the cops data on oats as well as confirmed town in sn0. Plenty of info to help solve the game.

If Sn0 is the doc then he can be killed but I don't think scum would take a 33% shot @ getting lucky.

thoughts?

On March 01 2014 00:39 Xatalos wrote:
Oats, you remind me a lot of myself in my previous game as Mafia where I relentlessly tried to stop town from mass claiming blue roles. Nobody believed me, but I continued to try, since a mass claim would pretty much end the game (the setup was quite OP too). You're doing exactly the same thing here.

On March 01 2014 00:47 Sn0_Man wrote:
Also, the fact that Oats isn't afraid of insta-maf-hammers tells you a lot.

ITS IML PEOPLE.

Especially keep in mind tomorrow if ANY towny EVER votes for town they can lose on the spot. So NEVER VOTE until all of town agrees on the lynch. Scum will be willing to bus hammer if they feel like it gives them cred.

On March 01 2014 00:57 Sn0_Man wrote:

False.

And with that I'm done arguing with Oats.

Better luck next time dude.

On March 01 2014 01:01 Sn0_Man wrote:
If one of u/artanis/jjd dies, then it becomes head 2 head between the other 2 for scum, same as between syl/xat.

Its just as reasonable to lynch one of them.

Regardless, we dont know who we lynch tmr until we get our fucking cop checks.

On March 01 2014 01:41 Sn0_Man wrote:
Oats if you are town then at least 1 scummer voted no-lynch. Since you believe town shouldn't no-lynch, surely you must want Artanis to justify his vote?

On March 01 2014 01:48 Sn0_Man wrote:
Honestly no matter how hard I try I can't get Oats more interested in actually figuring out the game or finding scum.

On March 01 2014 01:51 Sn0_Man wrote:
What happens when we figure that out Oats? There is still another scummer left.

On March 01 2014 01:54 Sn0_Man wrote:
Oh okay so if you know JJD is scum why wouldn't you be trying to lynch him yesterday? It seems more certain than Xat vs Syl.

On March 01 2014 01:54 Xatalos wrote:
Oats hasn't even considered the possibility of Sylencia being Mafia, by the way. He just immediately started pushing me and continued the tunneling ever since. With weak or outright anti-town arguments, I might add.

On March 01 2014 01:57 Sn0_Man wrote:
If u think syl could be scum then whey did u vote xata in an INSTANT MAJORITY LYNCH game?

On March 01 2014 02:03 Xatalos wrote:


1) Me wanting to no-lynch
2) Me claiming early in the day
Etc.

On March 01 2014 02:06 Xatalos wrote:


What if some townie had a mental collapse and voted me? If you were town, scum would just insta-win. I don't really see any reason to immediately vote me and keep your vote on me all day. Unless you're Mafia, of course.

On March 01 2014 02:09 Sn0_Man wrote:
Well technically we could have lynched yesterday and then no-lynch tomorrow if we felt the need.

I disagree that postponing it helps though.

On March 01 2014 02:21 Sn0_Man wrote:

Daaaaamn son dat scum qt planning

On March 01 2014 02:22 Xatalos wrote:


The problem is if we mislynch and lose because we lack some crucial information. You might even be town for example. Or who knows, maybe Sylencia is town and fakeclaimed to troll and scum didn't feel the need to fakeclaim (lol). More information is never bad.

On March 01 2014 02:24 Sn0_Man wrote:

Well we have a cop and he's checking you atm...

On March 01 2014 02:29 Xatalos wrote:


Dunno. Maybe because it put less pressure on him (nobody can deny his check). .

On March 01 2014 02:41 Sn0_Man wrote:
Both claims are a bit weird from a scum perspective tho.

On March 01 2014 02:50 Xatalos wrote:
By the way, this is just such a scum-to-scum conversation LOL. Especially this post... "This is suspicious, haha just kidding you're too bad to be scum, time to defend you with everything I got."

On March 01 2014 02:49 Sn0_Man wrote:

I'd like to point out that Syl is advocating a no-lynch here yet didn't vote no-lynch when the day actually rolled around.

On March 01 2014 22:54 Xatalos wrote:
Btw, the "thing" is related to Oats.

On March 02 2014 00:00 Xatalos wrote:
I don't know about that. For example, you can assume that I
A) greenchecked Sn0_Man and revealed that he was town since everyone kept accusing him and only him
OR
B) I took a 25% risk of scumclaiming AND removed the easiest possible mislynch only to collect some more towncred
I'd say Occam's razor gives the easy answer here.

On March 02 2014 01:18 Xatalos wrote:
If I die, here is one (unlikely) theory that could possibly be possible.

What if Oats is actually the Doctor? This is what got me thinking:



Maybe I'm just imagining things, but it felt like Oats both 1) wanted to be checked and 2) wanted to be checked by ME especially. This means that he basically thinks I'm the real Cop. Now, it could be just that he's scum and it's a slight slip, but it's a possibility that he's been the Doc all along and pretended to support Sylencia (and overall look bad) in order not to get NK'd.

I also don't like how JJD has pretty much been inactive in the discussion for a long time. That's part of the reason that got me to reconsider him being near-surely town.

I still think Oats is the most likely remaining scum - but it might not be impossible for him to be town.

Or... it could be that this was intentional by Oats and I get killed now.... Or it could be that I noticed something that really wasn't there... We'll see

(AFK a moment now)

On March 02 2014 02:09 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Oats is as close to confirmed scum as possible. If Oats is town that would make either Me or Art scum. If me or Art was scume we would just shoot the other person and win the game game the next day after Oats votes Xat

Here's the breakdown:

If I'm scum, I shoot Art.

- Art Dies
- Syl and Xat vote each other
- Sno votes for Syl mosy likely
- Oats votes for Xat
- I hammer Xat and we win

And you can switch me and Art for the same conclusion.

On March 02 2014 05:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Oats can you tell me when I ever said that Xatalos was clearly town until after the flip? I even voiced some suspicion for him earlier. If you're saying my friendly behaviour to him earlier in the thread means I had him as clear town then you were mistaken, or at least it was never my intention to show it. Sn0, was it obvious to you that I supported Xala's side?

Also, as JJD says, if you thought Xata looked townier by a country mile why did you say Sylencia was the town guy? Makes no sense.

tbh I'm pretty tempted to just skip the plan and hammer syl and oats. It seems pretty clear cut.
##vote Sylencia

On February 27 2014 14:19 JarJarDrinks wrote:

Explain how I'm being noob please. I think I defended the doctor claim thing pretty well. In fact I'm curious how anyone can disagree w/ me on it @ this point.

On February 28 2014 09:03 JarJarDrinks wrote:
So I guess we wait for Oats or Syl to post.

I actually think I have less of a town read on Xat after the claim. I'll explain after we here from those other 2.

On March 02 2014 09:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
You didn't need to convince the thread that Sylencia was the real cop though, you just needed enough doubt so he wouldn't be protected and you'd have a shot without getting cop checked. Seems to me like there's plenty of scum motivation for that.

Again, you need to create a strong case against JJD for me to reconsider. That, or my plan might exonerate you. It depends!

On March 02 2014 09:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Bussing Syl would lose you the game right there though. You were going to get cop checked the next night and you would've been dead. Who else could've been checked? You were the question mark that was left on Xalatos' mind.

On March 02 2014 09:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I need to know of you and of JJD if you're going to be around at deadline. Sn0 could execute it too though if I die as long as he follows the instructions.

On March 02 2014 10:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Your read clearly differed from the rest of the thread so you're either the only one that's right or you're scum. I'm sure you were observant enough to realize that everyone was reading him that way so your play makes sense from a scum perspective.

Anyway what's the first time you could be online that an american could possibly be online? Please parse it with a [.time] thing.

On March 02 2014 22:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Are you serious? I've been trying to figure out the game the entire time. I've given a reasonable thought process for you being scum which you have not been able to reply to. Your "case" on JJD is two quotes with two oneliners attached to it that you haven't even asked JJD to reply to when he was here and we're the ones not thinking? You're barely even trying to get JJD lynched, it's like you've already given up.

In that case I'm fine with you getting saved too. I would prefer to be alive myself though as I have a bit more trust in myself, no offense. Just got me plans.

On February 28 2014 01:46 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Ok, I think the benefits of giving reads outweighs the downsides.


This post from Sn0 is scummy to me:
K, he typod here. Sentence should read as:

"If I was the medic, and the COP claimed (obviously post n0), I'd probably not protect the COP since scum literally can't shoot the COP. "

To me this sounds like a scum mindset. A townie would say "I'd probably not protect the either of the claimed COPs" The way he words it makes it seem like he knows who the real cop is gonna be.

On February 28 2014 02:12 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I also think this post is Sn0 getting pissed off that I was getting towncred my "noob mistake"

On February 28 2014 10:14 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I lied cause I wanted there to be a counter. I figured scum might not counter if everyone was all in on Xat being town.

Xat is 100% the cop because if he was scum he'd have no way to know Sn0 wouldn't be the actual cop which would immediately out Xat as the fake (cause he gave him a green check).

That logic make sense to everyone?

On March 02 2014 02:09 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Oats is as close to confirmed scum as possible. If Oats is town that would make either Me or Art scum. If me or Art was scume we would just shoot the other person and win the game game the next day after Oats votes Xat

Here's the breakdown:

If I'm scum, I shoot Art.

- Art Dies
- Syl and Xat vote each other
- Sno votes for Syl mosy likely
- Oats votes for Xat
- I hammer Xat and we win

And you can switch me and Art for the same conclusion.

On March 03 2014 01:01 JarJarDrinks wrote:

My logic was completely sound. Once Syl shows up and confirms Sn0 as town, eliminating a Sn0/Xat scumteam, it's basically confirmed.

On March 03 2014 00:58 JarJarDrinks wrote:

Of course you tell syl to claim. You're planning on shooting the cop. You dont want Syl to try to bring the game home by himself.

Claiming against Xat who was super townie was way worse play for you.

On March 03 2014 01:13 JarJarDrinks wrote:
How am I missing the point?

You say I'm "Way too sure that Xata is cop"

I say "No way, he was practically confirmed"

thats not the point?