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On March 02 2014 23:19 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 10:14 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 28 2014 09:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote: This is a very interesting claim though. Very interesting. JJD why didn't you believe Xatalos' claim? I lied cause I wanted there to be a counter. I figured scum might not counter if everyone was all in on Xat being town. Xat is 100% the cop because if he was scum he'd have no way to know Sn0 wouldn't be the actual cop which would immediately out Xat as the fake (cause he gave him a green check). That logic make sense to everyone? Way too sure that Xata is cop here without even considering the possibilities for mafia fakeclaiming for Xata. My logic was completely sound. Once Syl shows up and confirms Sn0 as town, eliminating a Sn0/Xat scumteam, it's basically confirmed.
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How am I missing the point?
You say I'm "Way too sure that Xata is cop"
I say "No way, he was practically confirmed"
thats not the point?
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like 15-20 mins after would be better.
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pretty sure i know what ur going to say but go ahead
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Sorry jumped the gun. i read too fast since i figured what u'd say.
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well he has no choice but to claim vanilla.
So you and sn0 make sure to heal the other person and force him to shoot me.
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On March 03 2014 03:07 Oatsmaster wrote: Lol I dont see how that plan was ever going to work It had a chance of working.
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Oats are you planning on claiming?
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WTF Art is scum? If so, well played and I doubt I'll be able to get u lynched.
But I dont see any other option since Oats wouldn't claim a role that he knows confirmed town has.
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On March 03 2014 03:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Right. Can you give me your townie seal of approval before you die? Oats just do me a favor and reread everything from a scum Art perspective first. I'm not really sure if you'll find anything but there has to be something since it's true.
Like I said, Art played a masterfull game. I actually don't mind losing a game like this but I'll do my best to try and convince sn0 tomorrow.
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##vote Artanis
Please wait untill tomorrow sn0 and I'll make my case. I don't really expect to change ur mind but I'll try. I think I have @ least a few good points that'll @ least give you some pause.
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On March 03 2014 12:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm sorry, that was mean. Just in a gif posty mood. I blame Palmar for starting it in default suspicions. It's ok. I appreciate you actually taking the time to make a case on me since you probably didn't need to. I get the feeling that you're secretly hoping I put up a decent case against you so you're @ least challenged. Nobody likes winning in a blowout.
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OK sn0. First off, I'll get the WIFOM out of the way. Why in the blue hell would I ever make a post explaining exactly why Art couldn't be scum.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 02 2014 02:09 JarJarDrinks wrote: Oats is as close to confirmed scum as possible. If Oats is town that would make either Me or Art scum. If me or Art was scume we would just shoot the other person and win the game game the next day after Oats votes Xat
Here's the breakdown:
If I'm scum, I shoot Art.
- Art Dies - Syl and Xat vote each other - Sno votes for Syl mosy likely - Oats votes for Xat - I hammer Xat and we win
And you can switch me and Art for the same conclusion.
Like if you look @ my posts, I only ever consider oats to be scum. Why would I do that when I know he could be the doc and become confirmed town.
But if you look @ Arts posts, he's always leaving his options open. Yeah he's leaning scum on oats. But he never really rules him out. He keeps telling him to make a case against me.
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Here's Art seeming to know that he'd be alive after the night kill
On March 02 2014 14:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 14:11 JarJarDrinks wrote:On March 02 2014 10:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Okay. JJD you around at 00:59 GMT (+00:00)? isnt that after the deadline? Yeah, but my initial idea was to give sn0 instructions for what to do. I would prefer to execute it myself though.
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Like how could he give you instructions for the plan? He says right here that he needs scum to answer immediately:On March 02 2014 03:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also there's a plan I have that I don't want to tell until everyone's here because I want everyone to instantly agree to it so scum won't have time to adjust to it.
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On March 03 2014 05:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: 1. His initial townread was based on very shifty sand. The reason why both BH and Xatalos considered him an early town read was because he created a plan in which he thought the Doc should claim. For some reason, he got a townread because the plan wouldn't hurt scum. Now tell me, how would a plan that is scum favoured probably not come from scum? The too dumb to be scum thing doesn't apply because it is actually a valid plan for scum. Sylencia also wasn't around at the time (His first post was on Page 10, long after this went to the background, so he probably didn't have time to discuss it). The reason for their initial townreads was non alignment-indicative at best. I stand by the reasoning I gave and still think the plan wasn't scum favored. In fact even though everyone else disagreed w/ me, there was one person who actually endorsed my plan after I explained it:
On February 27 2014 09:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 09:08 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 27 2014 09:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On February 27 2014 09:04 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 27 2014 07:48 Blazinghand wrote:On February 27 2014 07:47 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 27 2014 07:41 Blazinghand wrote:On February 27 2014 07:38 JarJarDrinks wrote: Here's the other thing w/ the cop dying N0.
If we are about to lynch scum, there WILL be a doc claim. Then the real doc counters and we end up w/ the claim anyway. @ least if we force the claim early, we're making scum commit to their lie before the fact. or, we mislynch and go into N1 with zero chance of survival because scum will just shoot the doctor -.- But we will mislynch if there is no claim. So you're saying that you prefer to put all of our eggs in the docs basket and pray for a hero heal. Cause that's the only way we win if the cop dies night 0 and the doc doesn't claim D1. We WILL mislynch if there is no doc claim? Wat. We can lynch just fine if there's no doc claim. The fact of the matter is, if the doc claims and we mislynch we 100% lose N1. You're the one putting all the eggs in one basket by not giving us a second shot at a lynch in case we screw up Yes, if scum is about to be lynched, he WILL claim doctor. Do you disagree? Yes I disagree because the D1 lynch will be between two 'cops', so the guy we're lynching has already claimed something else. No reason for doc to claim before D2. This entire conversation is based on if the cop is shot N0. Oh right. In that case doc should probably claim. Oh look it was you. Can you explain why u just told Sn0 that this plan was scum favored if you agreed to it?
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