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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 28 2014 01:44 GMT
#1761
ahaha :;D
table for two on a tv tray
Cavalinho
Profile Joined February 2014
United States946 Posts
February 28 2014 01:48 GMT
#1762
>.>

I should have stuck with the "sheep my strongest townreads" strategy.
Spectaticle
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 28 2014 01:49 GMT
#1763
I also promised you Holyflare is town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 28 2014 01:50 GMT
#1764
Fuck Holyflare you gotta do the scooby doo every game. rofl
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22291 Posts
February 28 2014 01:50 GMT
#1765
Geript I'm rereading the stuff you wrote about Toad's miller claim earlier but I'm not sure if I understand it correctly. Could you recap everything you have about Toad in the most comprehensible way possible?

I got the synopsis I think. That Toad's read on Rayn couldn't have been genuine, but I think that he or somebody else stated that it was so early in the game that the read itself was trolly.

If you could make a case for dummies that would help your cause.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22291 Posts
February 28 2014 01:52 GMT
#1766
Hey Rayn who should I shoot?
Cavalinho
Profile Joined February 2014
United States946 Posts
February 28 2014 01:53 GMT
#1767
On February 28 2014 10:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I also promised you Holyflare is town.


I know. You and him were my strongest reads.

I just didn't know what to look for and didn't realize that my analysis of suki was actually spot on aside from the fact that I took A instead of B. >.>
Spectaticle
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 28 2014 01:54 GMT
#1768
On February 28 2014 10:52 Vivax wrote:
Hey Rayn who should I shoot?

I dunno, are you vigi?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 28 2014 01:57 GMT
#1769
Vivax i really have not read anything at all after i voted for suki. I'll catch up in the morning.
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 28 2014 02:01 GMT
#1770
On February 28 2014 10:50 Vivax wrote:
Geript I'm rereading the stuff you wrote about Toad's miller claim earlier but I'm not sure if I understand it correctly. Could you recap everything you have about Toad in the most comprehensible way possible?

I got the synopsis I think. That Toad's read on Rayn couldn't have been genuine, but I think that he or somebody else stated that it was so early in the game that the read itself was trolly.

If you could make a case for dummies that would help your cause.

Specifically on the miller claim, here's how it went down:
Toad: I want all millers to claim
Rayn: Toad are you a miller
Toad: easiest scumread ever
Rayn: you're totes town too
Geript: WTF explain that townread
Toad: Rayn wouldn't have townread me back, he totes would've jumped on my townread of him as scum and (3rd thing I forget off the top of my head)
Geript: WTF Like none of your reasons for townreading him actually happened yet when you townread him. Like the miller thing is silly and (even though Rayn's response is really towny) his response isn't alignment indicative for him
Toad: Liar
Geript: Liar
Toad: Liar
Geript: Liar

Like my initial suspicion of him was for the townread, which after spending time to think about it, I can get the townread. But Toad's response to being questioned was such a weird turn that makes no sense; like it's such a simple townread to explain that there's no reason for extended explanation. Plus it's like super weird that his reason for the townread all happen after he townread him and at no point does he question the townread either. Then as things progress, he doesn't bother doing anything else; not in a tunneled sense but in a sense that he really doesn't want to talk about anything else but he's fine to pick here and there at little minor things.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 28 2014 02:03 GMT
#1771
On February 26 2014 21:16 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 10:02 geript wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Who did make what observation? I am not following geript.

His townread on you is super weird. Maybe I'm just too zealous and too super srs, but I didn't read his response as counter-trolling where I read your read on him as early trolling. So his response isn't a weird enough read (e.g. Vivax "everyone who's posted before me is probably town" read in LXI or Vayne's "Geript not scum with Yamato/Wave" read based on scum talking to each other early in whatever game we just got out of) to be a serious read. But it's equally not an obvious read because you're obvious town. And since I don't read it as trolling, there's only one possibility.

Also curse you for forcing me to walk upstairs while I was watching SVU so I could type this out and explain it.


Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 10:45 geript wrote:
On February 26 2014 10:43 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 26 2014 10:42 geript wrote:
Yup, I'm happy with my vote.

so you knew about it but still came to the conclusion that the read is weird? Explain.

##vote geript

Lets rolls this back a second. What about how I explained finding your read on Rayn was weird isn't making sense to you?


This is directly responding to my question to reevaluate the situation given that I, at that time, had explained what was going on. I, same as WoS, wasn't sure if you actually knew what was going on, might have been just a confused townie who didn't know what was going on, in which case his confusion about the townread would make sense. It would prove he's not reading the OP but that's hardly alignment indicating.

Instead he points me at his explanation PRIOR to my explanation, which would be completly and utterly uselss if that was done under the basis of not knowing what was going on. So he is CLEARLY stating he knew that I was redfishing all along, he clearly knew about the millers and thinks the townread makes no sense when indeed it makes an awful lot of sense.

I am restating this to make sure people get the timing of these events correctly. I've seen a bunch of comments from people but none of them are really commiting to anything. I remember JJD saying I made sense, I remember 2 people I don't know saying geript makes no sense, I remember suki saying there are no millers which seems fairly odd (now that I think about it, she might have been just not known what's going on and thought WoS misunderstood me... have to reread that) and WoS posting this:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 10:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 26 2014 10:40 gumshoe wrote:
On February 26 2014 10:16 Toadesstern wrote:
actually screw what I just said, this trolling shit sucks so let's get down to serious business, we have something to talk about and everyone's ignoring it.

WoS/Holy I know you to are fairly smart, smart enough to answer the following question. What do you make of the conversation between Rayn, geript and me? I want to get some input on that from some more people.
Should help me figure out if you guys are reading


I feel it's important to note that Toads just come off a pretty brutal loss in default, he was outed as the mafia godfather night 1 and I cant help but suspect that either way, that blow will influence his play. The tone switch in this post is noteworthy, he played out the start pretty lightly (in contrast to default where he was somewhat tense throughout) and he feels the need to 'snap' out of it. Feels slightly odd, like hes trying to let us know that hes acting natural, but is intent on winning.

This reads exactly like your post on Mocsta and I don't like it. Do you always base your reads entirely on their most recent game? (Speaking of which, don't talk about ongoing games).

Toad I actually did follow Geript's thought process to some degree.
And I actually had no idea about the miller stuff until you just mentioned it.

If you're sticking around Toad I can discuss with you a little.


which is basicly a giant "yeah makes sense with your explanation but I totally didn't know about it. Could be geript totally didn't know about it either despite looking like he did. See that 2nd post he did? Maybe he's just confused" and then a lot of nothing because he looks like he doesn't want to wifom over this as long as he has no idea about geripts state of knowledge.

We do know how much geript knew about this. Geript clearly stated that he knew what was going on all along. Stop talking about it as if there was a possibility of it not being the case and tell me what you make of geript given the conclusion that he knew about it all along.

Like I said, I see a bunch of talk about him and a bunch of "this is weird", yet I'm the only one voting him. Why is that?
Need to pick up my sis, be back in an hour.

This is like super scummy now too that suki has flipped. Like scum absolutely love to throw crap like this into the middle of a post to look like they're considering various players to distance themselves from other scum.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 28 2014 02:08 GMT
#1772
The bad news for me is that suki's dig at Toad makes it more likely that he's town. That makes me really sad.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 28 2014 02:18 GMT
#1773
Chyz and Moc probably both town, but I was already there so that's not really anything useful to me. So it's like maybe Vivax but probably not, maybe Toad, Cavalinho, JJD, Ange, Gumshoe.

Ange felt pretty towny to me, so I think the best pool to shoot into/lynch into/pressure is like Gum/JJD/Cavalinho/Toad.
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 28 2014 02:59 GMT
#1774
Vivax, do you mind shooting Jar Jar? Every ones been saying association reads dont matter till someone flips, welp, someones flipped. You say I look scummier, but honestly thats retarded / : Im not going to bus my own god father hours into the game and then proceed to yolo defend a towny (we should pretty much assume moc is town at this point, even if you think I'm scum that makes it more likely that hes town) and in doing so pretty much ensure my gf gets lynched.

Anyone who is arguing this knows how shitty it sounds and is only doing it because they have no other avenue available to them. Besides, the lynch was 5 vs bloody 5, I didn't even have to switch onto Moc, just go back to Jar Jar, or not leave him in the first place. You honestly think I wouldnt risk myself like that to save my gf AND get a mislynch? Your better than that Vivax, if you believe any of the above then please just shoot me, cause with reasoning like that your likely to misfire regardless.

At the very least, I think I've earned the right to see Jar Jar die before me and even if I am scum, the sooner he flips the sooner you can kill me for my retarded red play ( :
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 28 2014 02:59 GMT
#1775
Oh and dont shoot Geript, hes Geript / :
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 28 2014 03:09 GMT
#1776
That's true.

Scum could have easily mislynxhed me and. It take any heat.

I retract what I said before about u pushing suki unproductively

The opposite is true. With a suki gt, its likely scum would feel a need to intervene.
Jjd does fit this mould. I'm going off memory here but I think he called suki town for unknown reasons. I.e. I was scum because he thought she was super town.

Need to have a read of things
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 28 2014 03:22 GMT
#1777
On February 28 2014 11:08 geript wrote:
The bad news for me is that suki's dig at Toad makes it more likely that he's town. That makes me really sad.


That doesnt sound like the Geript I know and love ) ; careful man, your in danger of becoming useful.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 28 2014 03:44 GMT
#1778
I hate metaing the host but... We pretty much know theres a detective in the game now, and would scum have a role blocker as well as a gf? And Isn't having a cop and a vig kind of redundant? I mean 2 blues seems pretty standard for 3 scum 10 town, and I would expect one of those blues to be defensive. Would there really be a vig in a game with a cop and without a role blocker? Oh and isnt it funny that of all the roles Vivax chose it's the one that has the easiest time proving itself? The one were least likely to lynch? Eh, I'll wait for nights end, cant do anything other than that, but I feel pretty confident that Vivax is blowing smoke.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 28 2014 03:48 GMT
#1779
On February 28 2014 12:44 gumshoe wrote:
I hate metaing the host but... We pretty much know theres a detective in the game now, and would scum have a role blocker as well as a gf? And Isn't having a cop and a vig kind of redundant? I mean 2 blues seems pretty standard for 3 scum 10 town, and I would expect one of those blues to be defensive. Would there really be a vig in a game with a cop and without a role blocker? Oh and isnt it funny that of all the roles Vivax chose it's the one that has the easiest time proving itself? The one were least likely to lynch? Eh, I'll wait for nights end, cant do anything other than that, but I feel pretty confident that Vivax is blowing smoke.

Absolutely not true.
I know hosts that would not put a cop in the game for precisely this reason.
Playin' games tonight and relaxing after a hard days' work in thread.
Voting analysis tomorrow.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 28 2014 03:50 GMT
#1780
Also, It's super easy for Vivax to have long heart felt arguments over who to shoot tonight that make him look townie if he knows for a fact that no such shot will go off. Personally I feel we should stop indulging him, Vivax, your a smart guy, shoot whoever you think is scum, if your actually vig I will whole heartedly support your choice, whatever it is.
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