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On February 27 2014 09:35 Holyflare wrote: i do not care what you write about me i want you to respond to the rest of it why can gumshoe be town after he posted that weird town read on mocsta at the start but mocsta is your vote for doing the same thing on wave and then you vote him over your main scum read wave My read on gumshoe is currently mostly based on meta. I don't recall Mocsta giving WoS a townread the same way gumshoe did. Point me to it. "Main scum read". I can change scumreads like I can change shoes for all I care, provided sound reasoning. Besides, what would I gain from pushing a guy nobody currently wants to lynch. After all there are three scum, nothing speaks against trying my luck elsewhere. Counterquestion: You're like the second guy on the mocsta wagon if I recall correctly. You call gumshoe's reason for giving him a townread weird, and you are untouched by his confidence that mocsta is town. Yet I don't see you poking gumshoe about that. What gives? | ||
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So you're either in a horrible mood and feel defeated, which I think is more likely to happen to scum cause they tend to live in paranoia, or you genuinely have no time and don't give a shit. Or maybe you completely changed your playstyle for giggles. I think this was your filter, like last half of it. You were a replacement right? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=413713&user=TheDavison&view=all Besides, if you're town it's not too late. There are some points I'd like you to address. Gumshoe's confidence in your townieness. Your WoS townread. A somewhat conclusive read on geript would be appreciated. And whatever else you can think of of your own. | ||
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On February 27 2014 10:07 WaveofShadow wrote: Doesn't matter to me right now. It's pretty rare for me to have strong scumreads D1 in any game so I'm pretty happy with just you. And if you can't lynch me? What will you do then? After all there gotta be two other scum somewhere right? In my opinion your vote will end somewhere meaningless. | ||
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Or for a formal refusal to do so. | ||
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- His opening play: Twisting things to look scummy, self-conscious - Opportunistic voting of gumshoe, 'red herring' case on rayn that ended up going nowhere - not pushing rayn even though he thinks rayn is scummy - Evolution of reads that feels fake | ||
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No one started saying Rayn was scummy, Mocsta didn't elaborate on his read even though I asked him. Wave and JJD start saying gumshoe is scummy. Mocsta votes gumshoe with his marketing crap reasoning. | ||
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I'm going into conspiracy mode now, but mocsta went to an unexplained townread, she went to an inconsistently explained townread. Should we assume that... | ||
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On February 27 2014 11:02 suki wrote: Hmmm.. Yeah but ifi remember right there were two timesi asked mocsta to elaborate.the first time I asked him and he ignored or didn't see it. Abs that'swhat thatquote is referringto. then I posted my big case on him and called him out for not taking about rayn and he said straight up he wasn't going to. Different situations. Can you find me the post where he said he wouldn't? Cause I can't find it. | ||
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On February 27 2014 00:35 Mocsta wrote: Suki, Im a feel player. Every town game, ppl call me scum for not being consistent and not understanding that my ranking system isnt equivalent to everyone elses. Regarding Rayn: Again, its a feel read, and not a priority for me this cycle - hence why i havnt gone into detail. Note, Rayn didnt query this either. Regarding Gumshoe: I can't remember. His posts on the read through seemed OK with me and not as "dramatic" as others were pointing out. e.g. stuff like the martyring felt contextually fine to discuss. Ok., this made you go town then, guess I'll roll with the explanation. HF you are ready to scumread suki for saying that the atmosphere is shit? Frankly I see that as something subjective and cause you said it as scum doesn't mean that town can't feel that way. At least that's what I think is the core of your argument. | ||
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Besides, I think Mocsta uses logical arguments in his town play so I don't really buy it. Like, the smurf game is the picture I have of the most tryhard mocsta I have ever seen. And he uses logic, and doesn't go like "meh, feels but the read doesn't matter this cycle anyway". | ||
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Mocsta, you had a chyz, rayn and HF scumread back in ur list post. Now it's all Chyz and me when the votes seem to swing in my direction, one of them being one of your feel scumreads (fuck those feelreads). Post reasoning for me being scum. | ||
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On February 27 2014 17:51 geript wrote: That's a good catch, but I agree it's not really strong either direction. I'll try to explain it more tomorrow. As for Vivax the only really good point Wave made was on the "towny getting to the bottom of an issue" thing. This post struck out to me as a real emotional disconnect. Not in the sense that he's faking rage or anything but it's really weird to go from the last statement here directly into a case. Withholding reads is usually viewed as weird and scummy. Vivax isn't like "get over it, not going to happen" but he's also not in any way trying to counter pressure to see why Wave doesn't get that. His post not even caring about my super town read on his scum suspect is weird but not so sure it's scummy. Dude, Wave was shitting around for not getting information about a player he never read about. It's like I: come into the game saying I didn't read anything and then call people scummy cause they don't give me a read about somebody. | ||
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On February 27 2014 17:22 geript wrote: Like here's the beef Rayn, like I'm here rereading Vivax despite the fact that I think he's town. Despite the fact that I don't really like the cases on him. Despite the fact that no ones even fucking to bother to read Toad. You think I'm town, hell you even agree I'm mod confirmed. Sweet. But like, you scratch my back I scratch yours dude. Might be a bit biased cause he doesn't simply join sentiment against me. But this post feels townie as fuck. | ||
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Like, he calls her for scum for overly wording a joke claim. On the other hand he's the first to call somebody out as scummy if I'm not mistaken. | ||
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The post where he comes in to "moderate" between you and suki just feels super wrong. Also Moc you're pretty prickly for a normal question, but let me go into detail. Everyone was bantering, fake miller claims, harry potter. Off the bat townreads, you and geript were the most serious guys during that phase, geript for Toad's townread, you for suki's posting. Anyway, you commented on WoS post reading suki as town cause feels saying On February 26 2014 09:56 Mocsta wrote: [/B]Don't make me log onto a comp wave I was hoping we. Would both be town... Sigh Now before i go off the rails. Is the above truth or sarcasm? WoS says it's not sarcasm, ie town read serious. Next post you somehow manage to get the illusion that you are wave's scumread On February 26 2014 10:05 Mocsta wrote: Rayn Do u thibk its plausible for a town wave to infer I am a scum read already? How do you explain that? I think it's telling that at such a stage you are already so much into lynch politics, going as far as to imagine people scumreading you when they didn't say anything. But maybe you can explain where you got that illusion. Going on with the fullgame reread in the meantime. | ||
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