[M][N] Default Suspicions Mafia

There is way too many people who I can't remember anything they've done. Even the high volume guys. Like rayn and marv you guys have posted a fuckton but I can't even tell who you guys are going to lynch at all, sure you've generated a lot of discussion but it's also a lot of chaos, maybe you guys thrive there...

Anyways, I think prplhz, suki are town for now.

prplhz started off from his very first post trying to start conversation, when that didn't work he tried something else. He has been very active in trying to push the thread in a positive direction and it's pretty clear that has been his goal the entire game based on how he's reacting to the thread on his returns to it:



Following that he continues to pressure people and it's pretty clear where he is going to lynch and who he thinks is scum and why. Everything is clear and transparent from him compared to plenty of other guys in this thread who are masking their activities and reasoning. He is also thinking a lot like me, especially recently with his kush and palmar pressure so that's a plus.

suki is also probably town. Even though I don't like her approach to some people like Koshi and rayn, it seems like classic suki. She's hopping around between the people she accuses, reacting to their defenses. She often does that as town whereas as scum she's a lot more rigid with her reads (granted, she only has 1 scum game and that was a while ago). You can see that in Normal Mini Mafia, shadowed (non-reboot).

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(Literally just took these from a previous meta case on her which you can read here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442787&currentpage=50#982, even though the case was wrong for that game specifically, I think a lot of the points hold true)

Another thing is she's has good followups to everything and is not afraid to be engaging the town powerhouses (marv, rayn) in conversation, which I was in my first mafia game together with rayn at least. This point isn't as good without flips though.

Her lightheartedness and frustration that nobody is playing around with her in the opening of the game also feels townie to me. Her activity and pressure is good too, she's actively questioning people and creating a good town atmosphere. Her filter is getting up there which is good considering her last town game (9pages on d1). Beyond the non-questioning of rayn's motives and the weird case on koshi she feels good, and I think at least the rayn motive point is something she would ignore generally.

Kush and Toad are likely mafia I think. I'd lynch both. Everybody else is questionable...

Kush has been pretty inactive for kush first off. From what i've played with him, he always opens asking for people to start shit and calls people out immediately when their posts are useless, he didn't do any of that here and there has been plenty of useless posts, even when people are talking to him. I think his reactions to questioning and pressure are bad and I don't think he has any real reasoning for any of the reads he has given out because they look fake.





on rayn/marv:



His only scum reads are rayn and marv because their "arguments looked fake" so it's just straight up associative and has nothing to with them individually, I find it hard to believe that anybody would think that when reading them.

I would have really expected him to be on my case earlier instead of others and especially when others were on my case, the last couple of games he was. He was pressuring me into posting a fuck ton and then when I didn't he decided I was scum. He didn't even comment on me.

Toad's only scum read seems to be me. That's pretty bad... especially considering his case on me was almost solely based on early game meta, and even though I agree that my early game could possibly be interpreted as similar to my scum games, I think he was purposefully misrepresenting both what I was saying in the early game, and the context which you can see what I said about it here:



I find it weird that someone would write a meta case on what LITTLE i had in the thread at that time, especially in comparison to what everybody else was doing in regards to me which was just "wait and see". I think it's a weak attempt to try to draw attention to someone who opened pretty weakly.

I think it's annoying that he focused so heavily on the rayn subject and responding to questioning about it. May not be his fault, but even if I was in his shoes I would have attempted to get my opinions out on somebody else as well. I wasn't around so I don't know how rapid fire this stuff was going on. As soon as it ended he wrote a case on me and then nothing else. Looking forward to his contributions in the rest of the day.

Rayn, marv, CFP are all pretty questionable.
Rayn is obviously hard to read. As either alignment he is balls to the walls with content, calling out every little thing. The trend I see is generally as town rayn has a real reasoning for everything and actually follows through with his reads, whereas as scum he is just picking on every little thing to cause a shit show in the thread and he's also much more abrasive. I can't tell which one he is doing now obviously, but the 2 times he has done a "does anybody see what I'm seeing play" reads townie.

Marv is generating a LOT of content and asking plenty of good questions. But he also seems content to just sit within a shit storm and let it happen/contribute to it which is scummy. He has one instance of trying to move the thread forward during one of those shit storms (during the toad debacle) in which he suggests to move forward since we aren't going to get anything more out of it, however that was way after and was actually producing useful content. I'm referencing things like his conversation with kush.

CFP, one of those players who I was referencing who I can't remember what he's done. Even after reading his filter -_- all I remember is his line of questioning vs palmar. I'd be fine with him dying because of it. His read-through of the thread didn't really produce any good content and he hasn't done anything after that besides bitch about how . I liked his followup to my questions so that's good.


Everyone else I have commented on recently I think and are all questionable.
TLDR: would lynch kush/toad atm, suki and prplhz probably town, would be ok with CFP dying but not high on my priority list, would also be ok with oats dying because i'm always uncomfortable with oats but nothing sticks compared to the norm.

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