EPT[M][N] Default Suspicions Mafia - Page 16
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
I also agree with marvellosity that it doesn't make sense that scum would hard push a silly slightly scummy plan in thread like this. I don't like that suki says in this post: On February 20 2014 09:46 suki wrote: I agree that finding a way to 'unvote' is stupid. I don't think it makes me lean scum or town on rayn either way. that the plan is stupid but neither scummy nor townie and then she says in this post On February 20 2014 11:00 suki wrote: Here's how I see it. Because you're forced to vote someone, you can't unvote and remain without an opinion (well, except with this stupid plan). This is pro-town. If someone voted Koshi and said, 'I don't think Koshi is scum anymore' but kept his vote on Koshi, then pressuring that person to take a stance on someone else IS pro-town because they can't just unvote and say 'I dont know I'm thinking'. It forces accountability, and mafia hate being accountable for their actions. This outweighs scum possibly misrepresenting someone because they didn't take off their vote. that the plan is anti-town, or something like that, she uses pro-town to describe a situation where the plan is not implemented. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
If you notice my reaction to rayn's plan, it's quite clear that I don't like it and I don't think it's pro-town. It's not that 'the plan is stupid but neither scummy or townie', it's that the plan is stupid, but rayn proposing it doesn't make me think he's townie or scummy for it. This sort of play can be done as either alignment. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Have you ever, as town, unvoted in a mafia game? | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
Who is the most scummy to you at the moment and why? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
So we can exclude that part. What was your reasoning for unvote as town? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On February 20 2014 11:33 prplhz wrote: I still think that raynpelikoneet's plan is completely useless and no townie has any reason to come up with or push it. I also agree with marvellosity that it doesn't make sense that scum would hard push a silly slightly scummy plan in thread like this. Also this is why prplhz is mafia. It's an obvious contradiction that makes no sense. ##unvote ##Vote: prplhz | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On February 20 2014 11:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: So what was your reasoning for unvoting as town or as mafia? I guarantee as mafia it's most likely "because i would do that as town" as in "i try to look townie" because that's why you do things as mafia right? So we can exclude that part. What was your reasoning for unvote as town? top kek You don't think there was ever a scum who was like "Shit, I need to get my vote off of this guy because this vote is a little silly and it's attracting attention to me. I guess I'll try to do it in a townie way." The whole "scum act like town so we can never catch them"-idea is silly. Scum can't perfectly act like town and the more we force them to act the less they look like town (ideally). | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
I wrote up an answer but I don't see how this in any way explains why you think I'm scum. How about you answer my question. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
I am not voting for you so i don't need to explain anything. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
Excuse me, old phone refresh. Was unaware the game had started. | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
Answer to rayn's question: + Show Spoiler + I suppose most of the time when I unvote its when one of my cases falls flat and I don't have a basis to suspect that person anymore. So then, you're arguing here that being able to unvote aids in transparency and shows exactly where I stand, which includes being neutral. Which, I get. But put in a situation where a town person can't unvote but they don't find X person suspicious anymore, the obvious move is to find their next target and then move their vote there. If they don't, people can pressure them to do so. It is to town's benefit that everybody be forced to be accountable for their reads. If neutral is no longer an option, then everybody must take a stance on someone, which is where their vote is. People being forced to take a stance is pro-town. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On February 20 2014 11:51 suki wrote: Oh really rayn? Why are you avoiding my question? There is no reason to do so if you're town. Who cares if you're not voting for me, you said your vote on me was serious so what's the big secret? Answer to rayn's question: I suppose most of the time when I unvote its when one of my cases falls flat and I don't have a basis to suspect that person anymore. So then, you're arguing here that being able to unvote aids in transparency and shows exactly where I stand, which includes being neutral. Which, I get. But put in a situation where a town person can't unvote but they don't find X person suspicious anymore, the obvious move is to find their next target and then move their vote there. If they don't, people can pressure them to do so. It is to town's benefit that everybody be forced to be accountable for their reads. If neutral is no longer an option, then everybody must take a stance on someone, which is where their vote is. People being forced to take a stance is pro-town. Now, first of all why did you feel the need to spoiler your answer, it's really annoying. So i'll take it off the spoilers. Secondly, if the bolded part is true why are you not pushing this policy in every game with normal mechanics? Now to my answer to you; Mafia does not usually call me mafia when i am town. Because that's a suicide. They call me stupid or whatever shit and try to discredit me. That's a better way because if you call me scum you get lynched. That's exactly what you did. Also you are calling my plan stupid, which it isn't. Now that's something i can get from people who are stupid. But i don't think you are stupid. And that's why i am now proving you calling my plan stupid is a way to not call me mafia because you know i am not mafia but rather to discredit me without calling me mafia. | ||
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VIVAX420
556 Posts
On February 20 2014 11:52 prplhz wrote: Why is VIVAX420 not talking more than he is? when i have somehting to say i will talk? ~~~ rayn you coached suki right? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On February 20 2014 12:03 VIVAX420 wrote: when i have somehting to say i will talk? ~~~ rayn you coached suki right? No i have no coached suki. You should vote for prplhz, he's scum. | ||
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VIVAX420
556 Posts
~~ why vote prpl? just because of the contradiction in that post you quoted? it wasn't so much a contradiction as it was a realization that marv had a good point. | ||
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