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On February 13 2014 17:43 suki wrote:
If I ignore his Day 3 'kamikaze no plan for the future' play, then he looks worse than LoneMeow, as per my case in N2:

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On February 13 2014 00:41 suki wrote:
Hopeless:

Hopeless is way more active than last game. I was going to say that this points to him being more town but actually thinking about it, he was pretty active at the end of Day 1 last game, active enough to convince people he was town. I was also going to say he's more light-hearted but actually his tone seems about the same (minus the reboot pic that he posted when his wireless conked out which is null imo).

He hard pushes Jay as the lynch on Day 1:

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I actually liked the way he pressured and thought it was townie.

and then he randomly votes Jonny:

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So yeah it's a bit strange. Pushes Jay the whole game, I'm stilll hard pushing Jay. Suddenly he votes Jonny with no explanation.

Hopeless then posts his big scum theory on me, which is the biggest effort he's put all game (and which I felt was a big point in his favour). However, scum COULD have written it so let's look into his follow up...
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He completely forgets about it.

That's really weird. Putting so much effort into calling someone scum and then not even following up. He gets sidetracked on Coag when thread sentiment is headed that way.

He also seems to still be seeing Jay as scummy, reaffirmed that Jay's quote was not a blue claim, but isn't pushing Jay either.

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What about Hopeless' meta read on me? What about my 'bad' case on Jay? What about avoiding Jonny's scum games? About 'wait-and-see' with Jonny? Defending Jonny?

Somehow, Hopeless went from suki is scum I have a huge case with actual valid points to, 'i kinda still like suki for scum' with no explanation in between.

He also didn't talk about sidesprang yesterday and instead of pushing me or Jay just went with effectively a policy lynch.

Conclusion
I agree with Aqua, Hopeless looks a lot more scummy than LoneMeow. He's my number one scum read at the moment.

So does the "kamikaze" logic hold water? Are those really town reads he can't back out of if you are lynched and flip town?

Aquanim

Australia2849 Posts

February 15 2014 12:37 GMT

#1703

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

February 15 2014 18:06 GMT

#1704

until nightaction-whatever-it's-called-where-you-can't-change-stuff-anymore
I like that word. As a reminder, please make sure to send your nightactions to both Artanis and me as I'll be taking care of the daypost tonight!

LoneMeow

Finland1396 Posts

February 15 2014 19:31 GMT

#1705

Meh, I guess it would have been too easy if suki was the last scum.

My next lynch candidate would be Hopeless1der. Largely for the fact that it seems he doesn't really care who's getting lynched.

This is his D1 reasoning for voting JonnyLaw:

On February 09 2014 01:12 Hopeless1der wrote:
i'm not convinced that's a blue claim, but i'm fine with lynching jonny in the meantime.

D2 he makes a large case on suki, has some followup and then just jumps on Coagulation, ignoring suki completely - including the fact that suki is also voting Coagulation.

D3 is just a "me too" vote:

On February 13 2014 22:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
My primary excuse is that I haven't been up for lynch. I play so much worse when I dont feel like I'm going to die.

Suki makes the most sense, I'm sticking with that.
##Unvote
##Vote: Suki

The overall theme seems to be a lack of commitment and care about who gets lynched - that's not a town mindset.

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Interesting quote from LXIII post-game discussion (he was scum in that game):

On December 08 2013 15:17 Hopeless1der wrote:
I can't believe I got away with being invisible for so long this game. My activity and general usefulness skyrocket when I'm legitimately up for lynch, I wanted to end up squeaking out an extra day just to turn up dead in the morning latched onto the towniest looking player.

Meanwhile, there is marv in the obsQT struggling to keep his information to himself and still no one said a thing about me. I'm a freaking ninja!

p.s. I cant access the spreadsheet. should I actually request permission or can it be made public?

LoneMeow

Finland1396 Posts

February 15 2014 19:33 GMT

#1706

I'd totally lynch jaybrundage if not for the claim - and I fully expect him to come and explain the latest shenanigans about vig during the resolution period. The fact that he was not around at all for the D3 lynch is extremely suspicious.

Coagulation's declining contribution since D2 is also worrying, given his scum meta is to not contribute.

Coagulation

United States9633 Posts

February 15 2014 20:47 GMT

#1707

LM if i had to choose between lynching you and Hopeless1der I would lynch hopeless cause its pretty clear your town but not so much hopeless however I think aqua is a much better chance of flipping scum.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

February 15 2014 21:00 GMT

#1708

Resolution period has started. Players may no longer change their night actions. Talking still allowed

Hopeless1der

United States5836 Posts

February 15 2014 21:06 GMT

#1709

forgive me if I neglect to give a shit what coag has to say about anything left in this game.

Coagulation

United States9633 Posts

February 15 2014 21:12 GMT

#1710

classy

LoneMeow

Finland1396 Posts

February 15 2014 21:15 GMT

#1711

Ok, now that we're in resolution period:

jaybrundage, get here and explain your claim and that vig stuff. Also say if you have been roleblocked at any point during the game.

See, part of the problem why I'm not really sold on your claim is that your early play looked like you either were a vig or at least trying to look like one, with stuff like:

On February 07 2014 08:34 jaybrundage wrote:
Yea I'm REALLLLLLY confident that both Balla and Koshi are scum. Bleh writing a bunch of stuff on balla would be alot of work tho. And we can sadly only lynch one today. Maybe a vig can shoot balla hmmmm?

On February 09 2014 09:01 jaybrundage wrote:
What do you guys think about the vig should we try to use it? Maybe try to reach a decision of if we should off someone night one?

On February 09 2014 09:37 jaybrundage wrote:
Hopeless who do you think is most likely to flip scum at this point. If we have a vig who do you think he should shoot?

On February 09 2014 12:31 jaybrundage wrote:

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Aquanim. I would like to talk mmmate. What do you think of Suki? Do you have any opinion on if we should try to get the vig to shoot someone via vote or something similar. What do you think of Coag wanting Vig to shoot him.

I was fully expecting you to claim vig, not parity cop after all that.

So: which are you? If you are vig, why have you not shot anyone?

LoneMeow

Finland1396 Posts

February 15 2014 21:16 GMT

#1712

On February 16 2014 05:47 Coagulation wrote:
LM if i had to choose between lynching you and Hopeless1der I would lynch hopeless cause its pretty clear your town but not so much hopeless however I think aqua is a much better chance of flipping scum.

Why Aquanim, besides the D2 votes? See my reasoning why he looks town for his D1 push on JonnyLaw, how does that fit?

Aquanim

Australia2849 Posts

February 15 2014 21:19 GMT

#1713

I reckon Hopeless is a better chance to flip scum than LoneMeow.

Day 1

When I looked at Hopeless' filter for day 1 of this game, something jumped out at me: Hopeless didn't seem to be looking around at many people as possible scum.

The ONLY player Hopeless asked questions of off his own bat was Jay.
The ONLY player Hopeless pressured himself was Jay.
The ONLY opinions Hopeless gave which weren't solicited were of Jay.

Compare with his Day One filter filter as town in SMB. He expresses and follows up on suspicion of Grack, Skanjab, Toad, etc.

Regardless of meta any townie should be looking at a fair proportion of the thread, if not everybody, day 1 as being at least possible scum. I don't see any evidence of Hopeless having doubts about the alignment of many people at all in his day 1 filter, or even trying to draw new information into the thread about anyone other than Jay which might be useful.

And finally, Hopeless sheeped onto Jonny having given no explanation, never talked about him or to him the entire day, nothing.

Day 2

Voted coag, then said nothing much more of value. Implicitly indicated here:

On February 12 2014 06:56 Hopeless1der wrote:
meh i'll save toad the legwork.

that he wasn't against the sidesprang lynch and might have voted for it. He did exchange a couple of words with Sidesprang here but nothing particularly related to scumhunting.

Incidentally, Sidesprang's reasons for shifting his scummish read on Hopeless to null here weren't particularly convincing.

Again there's not much of any interest in drawing new information about other people into the thread in Hopeless' filter.

Day 3

Still not much of any interest in looking at anyone other than Suki (and Jay earlier in the day) but at this point in the game that's not incriminating.

I had a look at some Hopeless scumgames and I think he's capable as scum of posting cases/reads/analysis in as much detail as he has in this game.

In contrast, I feel like LoneMeow has spent a fair bit of time this game getting information from a large variety of people. (His activity is not as great as Hopeless' but he is in a different timezone to many/all of us so that is only to be expected.)

LoneMeow listed Jonny as one of his scumreads on his initial entry to the thread, and had sidesprang moderately high on his scumread list.

Aquanim

Australia2849 Posts

February 15 2014 21:31 GMT

#1714

Don't take this to mean that I'm decided on tomorrow's lynch already - but on the off-chance I get shot, you know where I'm at.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

February 15 2014 22:00 GMT

#1715

Day 4

jaybrundage the Parity Cop stumbled over some unknown mans stretched out leg and had to be send to the hospital for emergency facial reconstruction

It is now Day 4! You have until Monday, Feb 17 9:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) to bring out your vote.

Aquanim

Australia2849 Posts

February 15 2014 22:04 GMT

#1716

Not sure if he was shot because conf-town or because the last scum isn't a godfather - but I suppose it doesn't matter much.

Aquanim

Australia2849 Posts

February 15 2014 22:06 GMT

#1717

EBWOP: GG JayB.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

February 15 2014 22:17 GMT

#1718

oh btw I can't update Artanis OP but I'm sure you can live without that for a day.

Hopeless1der

United States5836 Posts

February 15 2014 22:50 GMT

#1719

Does my vote on johnny look like a bus? Like I had anything resembling a plan to perhaps save him or otherwise capitalize on the scum lynch to get town credit?

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

February 15 2014 22:55 GMT

#1720

Votecount:

Aquanim ( 0 ) :
Coagulation ( 0 ) :
LoneMeow ( 0 ) :
Hopeless1der ( 0 ) :
Oatsmaster ( 0 ) :

5 people who haven't voted yet: Aquanim, Coagulation, LoneMeow, Hopeless1der, Oatsmaster
With 0 votes no one is set to be lynched

Deadline on Monday, Feb 17 9:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
if you happen to find any mistakes in the above, please inform us/me about it immediatly, thanks.

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