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Sorry bout that, dota happened
LoneMeow
+ Show Spoiler +Interactions with/about JonnyLawOn February 08 2014 03:30 LoneMeow wrote:
Hello. Had major emergency at work today so I have only done a quick read of the thread so far.
So far I'd call JonnyLaw the scummiest of the bunch. Just compare his posting to the previous game and his newbies.
One liners, off topic, no hostility towards who he thinks is scum.
Proper read commencing now, if there's anything you want me to comment on or pay extra attention to let me know. This was LoneMeow's first post in-game. It would seem a little odd for him to bus his scumbuddy right out the gate - then again, Jonny already had two votes on him (myself and Koshi IIRC) and was taking a decent amount of pressure. It might have just seemed like the safest course. Although actually, now that I think about it... how did LoneMeow come to this conclusion without having done a "proper read" of the thread? If you read this LM I'd like an answer, otherwise I'll ask later. He justifies his position when asked though. On February 08 2014 06:12 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 05:32 suki wrote:On February 08 2014 05:19 LoneMeow wrote:
Okay, so:
JonnyLaw
Not playing to his usual aggressive, abrasive town meta (and he was called very town for it in the previous game, so there's no reason to change). Posting a lot of one liners and not volunteering his opinion.
Verdict: scummy
Can you provide some examples to back this up? See for example this post from last game: Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:48 JonnyLaw wrote:
Meh, okay so she dislikes everything I say. I think they mean the same thing. I guess it could be taken as she thinks im misguided sometimes rather than simply scummy.
Her question seemed legit enough but balla's right. At the start of day 1 I want to see what someone is willing or able to bring to the game. There's no point saying much until they show what they're committing.
At this point LM's first post was shit but says nothing about his alignment until other actions take place in the game.
Koshi on the other hand created two pages of shit posting. This allowed LM and other LM like people to pop in, say nothing and fuck off out of here acting as though they participated in the game. Compare to this game - there's absolutely none of that aggression and hostility aimed at any players. It's all generic, see for example these: Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:43 JonnyLaw wrote:On February 07 2014 07:40 Koshi wrote:On February 07 2014 07:40 JonnyLaw wrote:On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
Legitimate question. Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game? It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town. I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game. 1. Because I said it last game. 2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day. Overall you had a good game. You had one comment early that tripped my scum radar. I think along the lines of "in newer games people need motivation to post." Then you proceeded to try and take over the town. I felt like you were scum trying to take over the town. Bah, you should have been scum. Nobody cares about past game Jonny. What better time to sit around talking. It lets us get reads we can use later. Better last game or future games or past games than fucking policy talk. Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:41 JonnyLaw wrote:
Votes are like assholes in this game. Give the man a minute. It's day1 lets sit around and chat a while. On February 08 2014 06:21 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 06:18 suki wrote:
Ok so Jonny doesn't have any scum games that I can find. If someone can link me any that would be great.
To my best understanding he's had none whatsoever. Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 06:18 suki wrote:
Going through the previous town games of his I don't see too much difference between those games and this game. He's always posted one liners, with the occasional longer post here and there. One of the things that I didn't like about his play that I've mentioned is he keeps on shitting on Balla's opening post way after he says it's useless to talk about it.. But in Shadowed Mafia he actually does the same with Koshi's opening. Keeps on mentioning it despite saying it's useless.
If you look at the previous aborted game, he did have one liners but he also posted quite a lot of longer posts where he actively volunteered his thoughts and reads on players. That's what is missing in this game, along with the aggression and hostility towards players he thinks are scum. If LoneMeow's scum he bussed JonnyLaw good and hard, at a time when I feel it wasn't immediately necessary... but I'm not entirely sure the scum team would have felt the same way. There was also that thing where Jonny claimed LoneMeow had said "lurking"/"nothing of merit" without ever really reading his filter. ...I really don't know how that reflects on LoneMeow's alignment, I'd like to hear other opinions on this one. I think it could be important though. Interactions with/about SidesprangOn February 08 2014 06:05 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 05:31 Koshi wrote:On February 08 2014 05:24 LoneMeow wrote:On February 08 2014 05:21 Koshi wrote:
I like you Stray Kitten. I like you.
I don't see jayB being scum without Jonny being scum tbh. The other way around is possible.
Can we see a vote already? Why do you think jaybrundage can't be scum if JonnyLaw is town? Connection? The way you catched me previous game. I disappeared when it was lynch and wasn't discussing anything. The same happened with Jonny early game. Imagine if Jonny is town and jayB is scum, do you think Jonny would suddenly disappear at the same time hell breaks lose and not offer his opinion? There's always the chance that he actually had to do something IRL, but yes, I see your point. Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 05:31 Koshi wrote:
Then when I call him out on him he says that he is there and trying to make sense of the clusterfuck. Which is extremely scummy, and then the next thing he posts is a misinterpretation about something that hapenned PRE-GAME. (the lollypop business).
The "trying to make sense" thing was scummy, I agree. What do you think of sidesprang? You asked him some questions, did you come to some conclusion based on the answers? meh. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442787¤tpage=60#1200Partially contests suki's case on Sidesprang. Reads kind of similar to my own argument against Oats' case but that doesn't necessarily make LM town. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442787¤tpage=60#1200then this, about which I am also "meh". On LoneMeow's metaI went back and had a quick look at his scum meta (most recent I believe) from Newbie XLVII. Despite the fact that he was apparently posting with one hand from hospital or something, he asked some questions and appears to have had at least a little interaction with the thread. My only personal previous experience with LoneMeow was when he was scum in Newbie XLIII, in which his play was significantly less proactive. Therefore, I previously had his large amount of interaction with the thread as a strong towntell - in the light of his XLVII meta I think it's weaker.
Conclusion: I don't really have one as yet. He'd be playing a pretty damn good scumgame if he is but I think he might conceivably be capable of it.
obviously imma talk some more with lone and develop my read on him tomorrow. For now I'll have a look at hopeless then go to bed. Can't be assed thinking about jay until he reveals whatever is going on with this blueclaim shit.
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Hopeless1der
Oh wow.
+ Show Spoiler +Interactions with/about JonnyLawOn February 08 2014 23:44 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 23:29 Koshi wrote:On February 08 2014 23:17 Oatsmaster wrote:On February 08 2014 23:02 Koshi wrote:
You never sheep.
Was is dis? I sheep all the time, I just dont say im sheeping  Not at all. Did.you agree with Hopeless read on you?How sure are you about jonny red flip? Of course he disagrees with me, he's scum Koshi. /sarcasm I may not be back before deadline, family stuff. I'll try to keep updated by phone ##Unvote
##Vote: JonnyLaw Hopeless does not mention jonnylaw at all before this post. Doesn't discuss the cases made by two or three other players (myself, koshi, balla). None, nada, zip. Can't believe I didn't notice this earlier. Interactions with/about Sidesprangdisagrees with Suki's scum meta read on Sidesprang, otherwise there is nothing at all. Absolutely nothing about the alignment of Sidesprang, who was a person of interest for quite some time in the thread. So was Jonny for that matter.
Conclusion: simply based on association with flipped scum he's far, far more likely than Lone. In other regards I haven't been getting hugely scummy feelings from him throughout the game, but not in fact having talked about either of the scum lynches in the game at all is pretty damning.
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There's probably more to say about Hopeless but it's now late and I'm going to sleep. See you later.
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On February 13 2014 05:25 LoneMeow wrote:The thing that strikes out most about Aquanim is this progression: Show nested quote +On February 11 2014 17:10 Aquanim wrote:On February 11 2014 17:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
He was useful in pyp 4. Caused 2 scum deaths. I dont even know why coag keeps playing when you guys keep shitting on him every game when he doesnt do what you want <shrug> I don't read theme games. And I don't see what's so unreasonable about asking someone to justify their views. Show nested quote +On February 12 2014 06:28 Aquanim wrote:On February 12 2014 04:16 Coagulation wrote:
Aquanim is defending sidesprang hard and making up illogical shit in the process. sidesprang Aquanim scum team
calling it now. You're hilarious Coag. Also, you disgust me... but the fact you're posting anything game-relevant at all is apparently a town-tell. (Much happier with the scum-meta from the PYP LoL game than the others I found.) Imma go take a quick look at Sidesprang again. Show nested quote +On February 12 2014 14:32 Aquanim wrote:
Later on somebody linked LoL PYP (which I hadn't found, since it isn't in the database and I didn't check every game for the last three months) and I thought that game was more reliable as a reference for his scum-meta - since it indeed had him doing sweet fuck all, even less than what I saw in his towngames or what he was doing here, I obtained a townread on Coag on that basis.
There's some cognitive dissonance between the idea that he doesn't want to bother to check the game because it's themed, yet when it's linked to the thread he in fact does read it and use it as reason to swap his vote. But him being scum would imply a pretty hard bus on D1. I need to look into that but it's bedtime now so that will have to wait until morning.
The first post would have been better expressed as "I don't read themed games for recreation", IIRC that's what I meant at the time.
I'm also not greatly keen on them for meta but under the circumstances PYP is the best of a bad lot of games with respect to Coag's scum meta. When needs must and all that.
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EBWOP to the first sentence: Hence why I personally have no idea what happened in PYP 4. It's also why I had no idea Coag had played in LoL PYP until someone linked it.
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I don't intend to lynch Jay without thinking about it, but this claim of his is looking sketchier and sketchier.
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As in, I would vote Jay because I thought his play was scummy, not only because of this blueclaim shit.
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Well Artanis was here an hour ago to start the resolution period, so I guess we just wait.
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goodnight, sweet prince/and flights of angels sing thee to thy rest
about this point you have on Suki, hopeless:
Her filter is about 2/3 Day/Night 1 and 1/3 Day/Night 2 (I know Night2 isnt over yet, but the disparity is there)
Why do you think Suki's distribution of posts in this proportion is scummy?
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On February 13 2014 07:29 Hopeless1der wrote:
activity falling off cliffs is not scummy to you aqua?
Well, slightly less than one third of the thread is composed of Day2/Night2... so if Suki's scum for it a fair few other people are gonna be too.
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Honestly I don't feel like I was the top-priority check here but... meh, maybe.
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@Hopeless: How much faith do you put in the parity cop check?
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Dunno that I'd classify entering the thread late as scummy. Stuff happens.
I do have a question for LoneMeow though.
On February 08 2014 03:30 LoneMeow wrote:
Hello. Had major emergency at work today so I have only done a quick read of the thread so far.
So far I'd call JonnyLaw the scummiest of the bunch. Just compare his posting to the previous game and his newbies.
One liners, off topic, no hostility towards who he thinks is scum.
Proper read commencing now, if there's anything you want me to comment on or pay extra attention to let me know.
@LoneMeow: Had you looked at everyone in the game before making this post? If so, what do you mean by a "proper read"?
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Whenever you come online LoneMeow I'd love to have a chat.
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Is your top scumread still Jay?
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Who would be your next best guess ignoring Jay then?
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On February 13 2014 15:44 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 15:34 Aquanim wrote:
Who would be your next best guess ignoring Jay then? Hopeless1der or suki, pretty much equally suspicious of them right now.
I'm finding it pretty hard to believe that a scum-Suki would make this post:
On February 12 2014 00:25 suki wrote:
Hm...
Call it a hunch, but I'm going to go with Hopeless. I think Oats is town and I he's convinced me that sidesprang is the better lynch for today. I also feel like trusting his meta read on Coag.
I also buy the 'sidesprang's reasons are all bad' argument as when sidesprang was town he actually had some decent arguments on why someone is scummy. This game it's all meta reads and kind-of vote analysis.
##unvote
##vote Sidesprang
Given her past comments on Coag she could have very easily just let the Coag lynch go through, but instead she pushed the lynch towards scum. I find it hard to believe this is a "bus my teammate and hope nobody follows" post either.
Can you explain why you think Suki's actions regarding the day 2 lynch would serve a scum motivation?
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On February 13 2014 15:49 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2014 23:50 Aquanim wrote:Sorry bout that, dota happened LoneMeow+ Show Spoiler +Interactions with/about JonnyLawOn February 08 2014 03:30 LoneMeow wrote:
Hello. Had major emergency at work today so I have only done a quick read of the thread so far.
So far I'd call JonnyLaw the scummiest of the bunch. Just compare his posting to the previous game and his newbies.
One liners, off topic, no hostility towards who he thinks is scum.
Proper read commencing now, if there's anything you want me to comment on or pay extra attention to let me know. This was LoneMeow's first post in-game. It would seem a little odd for him to bus his scumbuddy right out the gate - then again, Jonny already had two votes on him (myself and Koshi IIRC) and was taking a decent amount of pressure. It might have just seemed like the safest course. Although actually, now that I think about it... how did LoneMeow come to this conclusion without having done a "proper read" of the thread? If you read this LM I'd like an answer, otherwise I'll ask later. He justifies his position when asked though. On February 08 2014 06:12 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 05:32 suki wrote:On February 08 2014 05:19 LoneMeow wrote:
Okay, so:
JonnyLaw
Not playing to his usual aggressive, abrasive town meta (and he was called very town for it in the previous game, so there's no reason to change). Posting a lot of one liners and not volunteering his opinion.
Verdict: scummy
Can you provide some examples to back this up? See for example this post from last game: Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:48 JonnyLaw wrote:
Meh, okay so she dislikes everything I say. I think they mean the same thing. I guess it could be taken as she thinks im misguided sometimes rather than simply scummy.
Her question seemed legit enough but balla's right. At the start of day 1 I want to see what someone is willing or able to bring to the game. There's no point saying much until they show what they're committing.
At this point LM's first post was shit but says nothing about his alignment until other actions take place in the game.
Koshi on the other hand created two pages of shit posting. This allowed LM and other LM like people to pop in, say nothing and fuck off out of here acting as though they participated in the game. Compare to this game - there's absolutely none of that aggression and hostility aimed at any players. It's all generic, see for example these: Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:43 JonnyLaw wrote:On February 07 2014 07:40 Koshi wrote:On February 07 2014 07:40 JonnyLaw wrote:On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
Legitimate question. Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game? It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town. I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game. 1. Because I said it last game. 2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day. Overall you had a good game. You had one comment early that tripped my scum radar. I think along the lines of "in newer games people need motivation to post." Then you proceeded to try and take over the town. I felt like you were scum trying to take over the town. Bah, you should have been scum. Nobody cares about past game Jonny. What better time to sit around talking. It lets us get reads we can use later. Better last game or future games or past games than fucking policy talk. Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:41 JonnyLaw wrote:
Votes are like assholes in this game. Give the man a minute. It's day1 lets sit around and chat a while. On February 08 2014 06:21 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 06:18 suki wrote:
Ok so Jonny doesn't have any scum games that I can find. If someone can link me any that would be great.
To my best understanding he's had none whatsoever. Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 06:18 suki wrote:
Going through the previous town games of his I don't see too much difference between those games and this game. He's always posted one liners, with the occasional longer post here and there. One of the things that I didn't like about his play that I've mentioned is he keeps on shitting on Balla's opening post way after he says it's useless to talk about it.. But in Shadowed Mafia he actually does the same with Koshi's opening. Keeps on mentioning it despite saying it's useless.
If you look at the previous aborted game, he did have one liners but he also posted quite a lot of longer posts where he actively volunteered his thoughts and reads on players. That's what is missing in this game, along with the aggression and hostility towards players he thinks are scum. If LoneMeow's scum he bussed JonnyLaw good and hard, at a time when I feel it wasn't immediately necessary... but I'm not entirely sure the scum team would have felt the same way. There was also that thing where Jonny claimed LoneMeow had said "lurking"/"nothing of merit" without ever really reading his filter. ...I really don't know how that reflects on LoneMeow's alignment, I'd like to hear other opinions on this one. I think it could be important though. Interactions with/about SidesprangOn February 08 2014 06:05 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 05:31 Koshi wrote:On February 08 2014 05:24 LoneMeow wrote:On February 08 2014 05:21 Koshi wrote:
I like you Stray Kitten. I like you.
I don't see jayB being scum without Jonny being scum tbh. The other way around is possible.
Can we see a vote already? Why do you think jaybrundage can't be scum if JonnyLaw is town? Connection? The way you catched me previous game. I disappeared when it was lynch and wasn't discussing anything. The same happened with Jonny early game. Imagine if Jonny is town and jayB is scum, do you think Jonny would suddenly disappear at the same time hell breaks lose and not offer his opinion? There's always the chance that he actually had to do something IRL, but yes, I see your point. Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 05:31 Koshi wrote:
Then when I call him out on him he says that he is there and trying to make sense of the clusterfuck. Which is extremely scummy, and then the next thing he posts is a misinterpretation about something that hapenned PRE-GAME. (the lollypop business).
The "trying to make sense" thing was scummy, I agree. What do you think of sidesprang? You asked him some questions, did you come to some conclusion based on the answers? meh. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442787¤tpage=60#1200Partially contests suki's case on Sidesprang. Reads kind of similar to my own argument against Oats' case but that doesn't necessarily make LM town. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442787¤tpage=60#1200then this, about which I am also "meh". On LoneMeow's metaI went back and had a quick look at his scum meta (most recent I believe) from Newbie XLVII. Despite the fact that he was apparently posting with one hand from hospital or something, he asked some questions and appears to have had at least a little interaction with the thread. My only personal previous experience with LoneMeow was when he was scum in Newbie XLIII, in which his play was significantly less proactive. Therefore, I previously had his large amount of interaction with the thread as a strong towntell - in the light of his XLVII meta I think it's weaker. Conclusion: I don't really have one as yet. He'd be playing a pretty damn good scumgame if he is but I think he might conceivably be capable of it. obviously imma talk some more with lone and develop my read on him tomorrow. For now I'll have a look at hopeless then go to bed. Can't be assed thinking about jay until he reveals whatever is going on with this blueclaim shit. Just to validate your thoughts, are you aware of my meta as scum?
Well you were scum in Newbie XLIII which we both played in. I also took a look at Newbie XLVII (I think that's the number?) in which you were also scum, but had a motorcycle accident or something just before the game started so you were posting with one hand from hospital.
Despite that you engaged with the thread much more than I remember from XLIII, asked questions of people and posted some reasoning behind your reads.
AFAIK you haven't played scum since then, correct me if I'm wrong here.
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