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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
February 11 2014 22:03 GMT
#1361
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
February 11 2014 22:47 GMT
#1384
well i guess i'll go get my hat
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
February 11 2014 22:58 GMT
#1388
out of your list jb
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
February 11 2014 23:04 GMT
#1390
i kinda still like suki for scum because of her meta-reading of sidesprang being so out to lunch.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
February 11 2014 23:36 GMT
#1396
On February 12 2014 08:08 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2014 08:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
i kinda still like suki for scum because of her meta-reading of sidesprang being so out to lunch.

Which meta-read are you referring to? I think she referenced Sidesprang's meta a couple of times.

she starts off meta reading sprang on a 51player game where sprang is lynched day6 and has a 1page filter...4 years ago.
she then 180's that read by looking at the more recent games, especially the original to this game that somehow slipped her mind.

The heavy reliance on meta concoctions from her leaves a sour taste in my mouth. She did similar things with Jonny, saying she couldnt find scumgames and then claiming she was ignoring the ones that balla brought up because it was themed. How is that not suspicious?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
February 12 2014 00:28 GMT
#1400
On February 12 2014 09:03 suki wrote:
Hopeless, if I'm scum what do you think my long term plan is by bussing Sidesprang Day 2?

What are your thoughts on Aqua's defense of Sidesprang Day2?

uhhh....riding that towncred to victory?

I don't really take issue with anything that aqua has said. Technically, yes he has been on the wrong side of things by"defending" sidesprang, but he didn't look bad doing it.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
February 12 2014 03:31 GMT
#1412
Oats after waching the "town seal" ban list discussion unfold I had a hard time with coag. When he continued to assume I was out to get him by claiming everyone was out to get him because of slam.... I decided he was too big of a liability to leave alive. At this point I'm happy to assume he is town.

I'll post a full list post with (redundant) reasoning for each player still alive before day post tomorrow.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
February 12 2014 04:28 GMT
#1415
Dunno, quite frankly i didn't look into his meta because throwing a hissy fit is not alignment indicative to me. Its too easy to generate indignant rage as either alignment to hide behind and when coag was basically refusing to play I said to myself "fuck it" and was willing to effectively policy him.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
February 12 2014 04:33 GMT
#1416
I agree that (especially now) coag was being angry but anger is not a town or scum trait. Its an emotional trait. Refusing to play due to anger is a mafia trait to me. There is the argument that the play coag put forth was in fact enough to validate his play as "Towny" but his reasoning and commitment to his reads is so lackluster that i have extremely limited faith in his contributions, even if he is 99% town now.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
February 12 2014 15:43 GMT
#1432
On February 13 2014 00:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
I didnt really discuss the johnnylaw cases either.

perhaps not, but you did discuss sidesprang being scum and coag being town. I drifted through the entirety of day2 so yeah, i look really bad. starting filter dives now.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
February 12 2014 17:52 GMT
#1434
Balla:
Obvious town. Major push on Jonny Day1, constant pressure on the thread in general.
On February 07 2014 08:50 Balla24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 07:11 sidesprang wrote:
No, i've not played with him before. He said in his last game that he never had rolled scum I think. So will be hard to use meta on him I guess. Unless his game greatly differs from his previous ones.


Sidesprang where did you go? Stuff started happening 5 minutes after this post and you have no opinions?

I don’t see this as scum-scum interaction. It is too ballsy to draw attention to a teammate when you can alert them via qt to get back in the thread asap.
Despite general apathy, balla continues to play right to the end of Day2 and actively seeks out more scum, ultimately securing a 2nd scum lynch with the help of Oats defending coag and generally beating the thread into submission.
I also like his vote-count analysis posts, especially because he isn’t hiding behind them as activity, he’s using them to springboard his broader ideas about the game and then focus in based on his conclusions.




Aquanim:
Was accused of defending Jonny day1 by Balla. Technically true, but I see aqua go on to pressure Jonny and subsequently find him to be scummy. He was initially on jayb, but then again most of the thread was at first. I don’t find anything scummy in the way that Day1 played out for aqua. Once he’s committed to his vote on Jonny he spends most of his time pushing Jonny’s lynch either by defending alternative candidates or trying to draw people to looking at Jonny’s scummy ways.
sidenote+ Show Spoiler +
On February 08 2014 18:07 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 18:01 JonnyLaw wrote:
On January 23 2014 05:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This is not about VE, it's about you JL.
You have had Balla as top scumread all game but never tried to lynch him.


On January 23 2014 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 23 2014 05:41 JonnyLaw wrote:
Activity is everything in how I read his play. Fuck, if he was active he'd make cases. If not, he's not making cases or doing anything. I don't get your point here. How many times did I say lynch Balla? You think I bussed him that hard since day 1? Even when kush could still be voted I wanted to vote balla.

I don't understand your obsession with a sentence.

So, calling him a scummy lurker for lack of activity.

You didn't bus him hard. You soft bussed him.
I already pointed out why his activity is closer to his scumgames than town games. Actually it pretty much matches his scumgames. So, why did you not really push your top scumread when your top townread told you his activity matches his scumgames?



On January 23 2014 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 21 2014 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i just looked at his past games and:
  • town games - 19 and 23 pages of filter, a lot of oneliners, questions many people about his concerns, is clearly trying to find out what people think about what he thinks is important
  • scum game - 7 pages of filter, more big irrelevant posts that are inclined to talk about what X thinks of Y and how it's right/wrong. no real pushing of his own ideas.


If i don't even think about the motivation behind Balla's posts in this game and just look at what he has said it looks exactly like he played mafia and nothing like his town play to me.

Here, this dude is your fucking top scumread and you have nothing to say about this post JL.

And i want to know why?



Then I pushed jayb into oblivion last game. What do you say?

Is what you're trying to say here that you don't want to push jayB because you were wrong about him in a previous game? I don't understand.
– Compelling evidence that JayB is town (at least to me it is)



Coag:
Counter-wagon to sprang, was in all likelihood going to die and ended up being saved by Oats. Since they can’t be scum together, the simple answer is that coag was the scum mislynch for the day.
On February 12 2014 04:16 Coagulation wrote:
Aquanim is defending sidesprang hard and making up illogical shit in the process. sidesprang Aquanim scum team
calling it now.



LoneMeow
This is more associative with flipped scum than with LM’s play, but Jonny had LoneMeow as scum for shifty reasons and LM was eager to point them out and pressure Jonny concerning why he was able to ignore LM’s filter yet call him scum for lurking.
Also the VCA from the Day2 lynch is quite appealing for a town-LoneMeow.


jaybrundage
Day1 sucked, Day2 was fantastic. Actually pushed sprang most of the day as a policy lynch (and called it as much) while trying to get coag to play. He later admits that he never really wanted to lynch sprang, just scare him a bit and then ends up voting him (three times lol) at the end of the day. I don’t see scum admitting they weren’t going to follow through on a policy lynch and then going through with it anyways.


Oatsmaster
Besides my initial read of Oats, he hard defended coag and lead the charge on sidesprang. If you don’t already think Oats is town, I’m not going to convince you.


Suki
Day1 case is in my filter.
Day2 she pushed coag all day and then meekly said
On February 12 2014 00:25 suki wrote:
Hm...

Call it a hunch, but I'm going to go with Hopeless. I think Oats is town and I he's convinced me that sidesprang is the better lynch for today. I also feel like trusting his meta read on Coag.

I also buy the 'sidesprang's reasons are all bad' argument as when sidesprang was town he actually had some decent arguments on why someone is scummy. This game it's all meta reads and kind-of vote analysis.

##unvote
##vote Sidesprang

Her filter is about 2/3 Day/Night 1 and 1/3 Day/Night 2 (I know Night2 isnt over yet, but the disparity is there)
Based on general activity and the sudden and unexpected switch to sprang she's definitely my top choice for scum.

Suki was once again seen defending the scum-lynch by saying they are contributing and deserve another day to prove themselves
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
February 12 2014 18:02 GMT
#1436
well the wagon didnt gather steam until suki+you voted for sprang.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
February 12 2014 18:07 GMT
#1438
Pretty Colors

On February 09 2014 06:28 Toadesstern wrote:
Votecount:

JonnyLaw ( 8 ) : suki, Koshi, Aquanim, Balla24, Oatsmaster, LoneMeow, Hopeless1der, Sidesprang, Hopeless1der, Coagulation
suki ( 1 ) : Oatsmaster, Balla24, jaybrundage
Koshi ( 1 ) : jaybrundage, JonnyLaW
jaybrundage ( 1 ) : Balla24, Koshi, suki, Hopeless1der, Oatsmaster, Coagulation

Balla24 ( 0 ) : Jaybrundage, suki
Aquanim ( 0 ) : Balla24
Coagulation ( 0 ) : jaybrundage, Hopeless1der
Sidesprang ( 0 ) : Oatsmaster

DAY1 VCA:
My weaker townreads/ (only) scumread are the following players:
Aqua LM Jay Suki


Things to note:
  • Suki vs JayB
  • Did Aqua or LM appear to be bussing Jonny?


[B]On February 12 2014 06:55 Toadesstern wrote:
Votecount:

Sidesprang ( 7 ) : Oatsmaster, Jaybrundage, Coagulation, suki, Balla24, LoneMeow, Aquanim, jaybrundage
Coagulation ( 2 ) : Suki, Aquanim, LoneMeow, jaybrundage, Hopeless1der, sidesprang, Aquanim

Oatsmaster ( 0 ) : Balla24, Aquanim

  • Did Aqua or LM appear to be bussing sidesprang?
  • Suki 'needed to give jay some space'
  • Did jay deliver re: above? Was his vote on sprang contrived or did it seem genuine?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
February 12 2014 22:16 GMT
#1464
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
February 12 2014 22:21 GMT
#1475
EMPNUKEOMG
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
February 12 2014 22:24 GMT
#1478
jay, address the "blueclaim" so we can move on please.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
February 12 2014 22:29 GMT
#1481
activity falling off cliffs is not scummy to you aqua?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
February 12 2014 23:03 GMT
#1483
yeah okay....im being biased and hypocritical. At any rate, I don't agree with people saying suki pushed sidesprang day2 and that she ought to be written off as town for it.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
February 12 2014 23:19 GMT
#1490
.....goddamnit jay. whatever, he gets another day I guess. From a raw balance perspective parity cop is the only blue I'd believe.
##Vote: Suki
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
February 12 2014 23:19 GMT
#1491
p.s. counterclaims would be just lovely.
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