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On February 07 2014 17:56 sidesprang wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 15:27 suki wrote:
Fine, he's not 'objectively' scum. There are more points against him for being scum than the points that I have against sidesprang which is largely a meta read. Quoting this since shorter  If you want to apply meta read on me, then do not use my almost 4 year old games. It wont get you anywhere good. You are correct that my mindset and play this game is different. Last month i've been coached and I've shadowed, both for first time. So I do hope I picked up something, that will hopefully improve my play.
How big do you think your filter is going to be before lynch D1?
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Sidesprang. Can you give me this:
Towniest town that towned:
Leaning town:
null:
Leaning scum:
Scummiest scum scum:
Just names is ok. But think about your answers.
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Oatsie, my man. I am totes town right?
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I'll take that as a yes.
Do you think both jayb and Jonny are scum? I doubt it tbh.
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On February 07 2014 18:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
I kinda dont think either are scum. I need to check JayB's last scum games but I dont think so. Its like both of their pushes on Koshi were so bad.
What do you think of Suki and Balla?
If they are scum. Scum is too happy to play this game. Scum shouldn't be so happy. They both are trolling a good amount, but they are serious when they have to be serious. I don't see them brush away serious questions with trolling.
Balla just posted insanely well, I can't be bothered to think he is scum. I am quite paranoia normally but I am actaully already willing to make Balla unlychable for D1 and I could even sheep him. I am really interested in what Jonny is going to tell us.
Suki plays a bit different I would say, she is trying to be more in the spotlight than last game. I don't know if I think the trolling is actually scummy. It's different but not scummy.
You want to know "What about JayB's scumhunting was forced and contrived?"
--> the fact that he actually sketched the situation on PRE GAME posts. Like who the fuck cares that Toad made the joke that I would have to play 3 vs 9 mafia. It is completely unnecessairly to add that and it makes the case extremely forced.
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Oats. Veteran question. Look at this quote from jayB:
On February 07 2014 13:11 jaybrundage wrote:Ok so this makes alot more sense. You were not saying my initial response to Koshi's vote on my post was scummy. You think my response to him validating the seriousness of his vote was scummy. Ok so let me go thru my reasoning. So Koshi comes back after I dismiss his post and responds with that his vote is "very real" However where he should put a reason about why his vote is real. He instead just says "you feel off." So this is in hindsight perhaps where I may have misread Koshi's intention with that post. It might have been a joke post and he wasn't being serious. But what I thought was that Koshi actually thought I was scum. He said the vote was real... Twice. So I assumed that he was serious and voting me with the intention that he thought I was scum. At this point I believe that I was making up my case on why Koshi's first post not being excited was scummy. So I was already thinking that Koshi was mafia. This just firmed that in my mind. I had brushed off his vote on me as not being serious. So when he does say its serious he gives me the reason why. The reason is "You feel off" That was it. This is a very noncommittal answer and I think it reeks of scum. I had no reason to ask for why he voted me cause he already provided it it was "You feel off." So instead of asking him I dissected why I thought this post was scummy. Does my thinking make sense? And even when I did ask Koshi why he felt i was off. He never expanded on it. Also you confused me originally with what you said in your post If you are town, your reaction to these "fake votes" would be completely different. But you were not talking about my reaction to the fake votes. You were talking about my reaction to Koshi's explanation that his vote was real. Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 12:48 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 12:42 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 12:01 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 11:54 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 11:51 Balla24 wrote:
Are you guys seriously pushing jay right now?
There's really nothing new. Everybody knows he's made some scummy decisions. He's been pressured to no end, no reason to keep pushing him now because we know almost everything about him. Let him play the game, watch him to see if he redeems himself, but there's no reason to keep pushing him unless there is NEW information.
Let him play unpressed, see what happens. Balla talk to me why do you think my push on Koshi is scummy. I think while it isn't the most amazing case. It is after all an early day 1 case. And I think alot of things I said are completely true. If you are referring to the big "case", I never said that was scummy. I said that it was ok, but I don't really like the fact that it's built off of koshi not being happy. It's new information, which is good, but the information isn't that great, you know? I don't think that case is scummy at all. What I think was possibly scummy was your initial reaction to koshi's "fake vote". I explained multiple times so I don't really want to type it all out again, but it was based on the fact that your initial reaction was more scum like than town like in the fact that you weren't really trying to figure out what koshi was doing, and were just attacking him. You weren't curious, as I expect a townie who is having a WTF moment would be having. After your initial reaction, you calmed down and started displaying more townie traits, but still, the initial reaction is what my read on you is based off of. Everything after that is "meh" to me. Does that not make sense? Ok this is what I don't know what your talking about. Ok. Here is what I said in regards to your reaction, I even quoted the post I was talking about (i think i'm getting pretty good at quoting heuheu). I said more about it in multiple other posts, but this is what I said at first. This is ONLY in response to the initial reaction to koshi, which is quoted within. On February 07 2014 08:01 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 07:51 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:47 Koshi wrote:
Mine is very real. Super real.
you feel off. I feel off. What a non committal post. After you say your vote is real. You make a terrible comment like that. I think what you mean to say. Is that you think I'm scum. BUT your scum so you know that not to be true and your waffling like crazy. Because even when you say the vote is real. Your very next line shows you have no conviction about it. Koshi is scum. I caught one :D In fact, this post is so very scummy. If you are town, your reaction to these "fake votes" would be completely different. You would be confused and curious as to what they find scummy about what you said, or you would just think that it's totally trolly and ignore it. Here you find it is scummy? What cause he thinks you feel off? Your response should have been "what feels off about me then oh wise one koshi" and not "you're scum". The explanation for why I voted for you in the first place is here, they are relatively separate (not relevant to your reaction to koshi): + Show Spoiler +On February 07 2014 07:58 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
Legitimate question. Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game? It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town. I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game. 1. Because I said it last game. 2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day. You're making so many excuses for no reason. Why would you tryharding last game have anything to do with this game or how tough it's going to be? In fact, what are you trying to say when you say you "tryharded the shit out of last game"? What, are you implying you're not going to tryhard the shit out of this game, why not? Scumhunting is scumhunting. Sure there's not much to talk about on day1 but that's where you make stuff to talk about and then scumhunt from there. There has been no effort to do that. Instead, all you have done is called my first post "icky", which was 100% totally intended to do just that, get people to start talking and scumhunting from the get go which should be pretty obvious to everybody, but for some reason you decided it was icky and then make excuses for what I can only assume is going to be bad scumhunting on day 1. Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:32 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
@suki, that implies that you think jaybrundage is town, even though I am clearly 2.5% less likely to be scum than he is. That first post. Ugh I'm still feeling icky from it.
Before this post I was puzzled about the reasoning of jayB and why he thought he found me scum. It was almost too scummy to be scum. But this post actually made me rethink that and made me think that he actually had a townie mindset going after me.
The problem I am having here is that if he actually is town, why wasn't he able to make that shine through faster? This quote is near the end of page 3 off his filter. To me it feels like he finally was able to twist his story into something that could come from town. But why couldn't he do it earlier? That reponse instantly would have made me back off and not think twice, this time I backed off but now that I think about it again I am puzzled.
Your opinion?
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have you played a lot with sidesprang Oats?
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Why isn't he bad town? It kinda looks like LM his cases previous game and you were spot on there.
Also can you comment on the jayB thing I asked earlier?
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When I said bad town I actually mean new town.
Sidesprang, what do you want to talk about m8. Let's talk a bit.
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He finally undestand the question 4 hours later? meh.
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guis, we are not going to have an inactive game....
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On February 07 2014 08:51 jaybrundage wrote:
Ok Town I suggest that you read up on Balla and Koshi. Look at there posts and think if it makes more sense that they are town, or if it makes more sense for them to both be scum. I would like to narrow the lynch between these two candidates.
Thank you for your time. I wanna leave soon but might wait around a bit to see if anything juicy pops up.
This is such fucking bullshit btw. No way a townie says that with what he got. No fucking way.
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On February 07 2014 08:12 Koshi wrote:
Jonny do you feel like JayB really thinks I am scum?
I could call you scum.
Pre-Game
On February 06 2014 09:03 Koshi wrote:
But I will post like I am a kid with a lollypop and the sun is shining.
Don't leave out the post I made right before that as a reply to jayB:
On February 06 2014 09:02 jaybrundage wrote:
I just think we should set up a webcam to see koshi's face if he rerolls scum
On February 06 2014 09:03 Koshi wrote:
I will be quite angry.
On February 06 2014 09:03 Koshi wrote:
But I will post like I am a kid with a lollypop and the sun is shining.
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How do you assume Balla's alignment?
On February 07 2014 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Koshi is indeed town so I am going to beleive Balla his theory.
Balla let's get a town circle going.
Really? I am not allowed to say this as town because I didn't figure out the alignement of Balla? This happens every game a million times. Like... Come on... Trying to paint that scummy.
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Here are more excuses from Koshi.
On February 07 2014 07:36 Koshi wrote:
Heads up. I always make shit cases.
I have made 2 good cases in the 16 games I played.
True story.
First of all. Where are the other excuses? Second. Yeah ok. That's an excuse but also the truth. My strenght is not cases andeople know that, you can ask them. My strenght lies in filter and thread presence. Something I have been boasting about quite a lot. Do I get townie points for that?
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What happened to a kid with a lollipop?
On February 07 2014 07:46 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:44 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Koshi is indeed town so I am going to beleive Balla his theory.
Balla let's get a town circle going. Koshi would be way more happy if he got a alignment pm that was town. I don't see it. ##Unvote
##Vote Koshi Poor jayB. Koshi doesn't need to be happy at the start. Scum Koshi would need to fake that. Town Koshi will shine through and will never get lynched. Click on my profile. Look at all the towngames. Koshi hasn't been lynched since Titanic. Won't happen this game.
Again with that shit?
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This is all looking pretty good to me ↓
+ Show Spoiler +On February 07 2014 08:49 suki wrote:
##unvote King Balla
##vote Jaybrundage
What the hell are you seriously posting a super-serious-scum-hunt long ass post with quotes and reasoning two hours into the game? Take a CHILL PILL man.
Holy shit. Why the hell are you in such a rush to find scum out of the first four people who have entered the thread. This attitude is completely different from last game and I don't mean that in a good way. On February 07 2014 08:58 suki wrote:
It's not the action but the motives.
Posting a long ass scum case this early just screams try-hard scum look at me I'm hunting scum! Why do you have to prove yourself this early as town, forcing a pure meta "koshi should be happy but he's not" argument to say that Koshi is definitely scum? On February 07 2014 09:08 suki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 08:57 jaybrundage wrote:
His post which I analyzed when he said that I feel "off" Is a very scummy post as well. Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 08:08 JonnyLaw wrote:On February 07 2014 07:47 Koshi wrote:
Mine is very real. Super real.
you feel off. I hate this fucking post by the way. What is this supposed to accomplish? Bahhhh bahhhhh. Anyways it's kind of mean for me to troll you. But the hole you're digging yourself in is going straight to china at this rate. Maybe take a break because this Balla+Koshi chainsaw defense scum theory is not doing you any favours.
Repeating arguments and making them come over better.
Talking freely about both of us.
It just looks townie ↓+ Show Spoiler +On February 07 2014 13:51 suki wrote:Regarding people's concerns that I'm not scum hunting, I was just having fun at the beginning of the game. So, you can decide if I'm scum hunting or not going forward. Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 12:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
yeah oh shit Suki does nothing about the case JayB posted, she never comments on it at all, just says its too tryhard and therefore scummy. Oh thats bad. She literally says nothing on whether the case was good/bad or why and whether koshi is town/scum or why. Just shits on it because its early in the game?
##vote Suki I skimmed JayB's case and didn't like it. I don't see the point in meta reading someone off of their pre-game content, or meta reading them 2 hours into the game as the game is still getting started. What threw me off was that he put in a ton of effort trying to find every little thing he could in order to paint Koshi as scum. He basically became super sure that Koshi was scum off of a weak case. He had already stated that he was going to scum hunt and he was hunting so hard it just felt forced and contrived. In other words, I didn't care about the case that he made, or the fact that it was made early, I cared about what motivations he could have had when making that case. Does it make more sense for town to hard tunnel someone off a weak case and try to make them look scummy, or does it make more sense for scum? The fact that the case was made so early is just a bonus point against a town scum-hunting mindset. In my opinion, it's more scummy to take this line of action. Thus I voted Jay. On Koshi Koshi has talked the talk. He just needs to walk the walk. His attitude is different in this game than last. He's more confident and more 'willing' to be active and contribute. If he doesn't hold up his end of the deal then he's an easy lynch. Other than that he hasn't done anything so I am waiting for his contributions when he returns.
I like it and Sidesprang should do something about it by showing activity. ↓
There is nothing on Sidesprang from his side that makes him town to me.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 07 2014 14:50 suki wrote:I've had a skim through most of the people in this thread and I want to bring people's attention to one person in particular: SidesprangSidesprang is not a high-quantity player. This is true throughout all his games. I noticed something when I was reading his posts while catching up, and this notion became stronger when I reread his filter. With this notion in mind, I then looked up his game history. I found 3 town games and 1 mafia game. Meta analysis in spoiler: + Show Spoiler +Now my point with this case is not to say that sidesprang is totes scum, but rather to point out some observations that I've made that make it seem that he is in a different mindset this game, and that this mindset makes him more likely scum. sidesprang's attitude this game feels different from his town games. He asks 'Are you basing your scum read on Suki just off meta atm?' then spends two large posts talking about how my meta is different and basically soft-defending me. I'm used to sidesprang asking tough questions, questions whose answers have meaning. It's kind of subtle but I feel like if sidesprang really cared about Aquanim's answer he would have waited for Aqua's reply. The other thing I noticed is that when he talked about Jay, he talked directly to Jay 'Regarding your Koshi case.. you better get more meat on it ... I think it's too early to call you scum...' In all of his town games he has always referred to other players as 'this guy' and spoke about them in the third person. Not once did he ever directly write an analysis against someone as if he was talking to them. A weak point but just something that caught my eye. - This is admittedly a lot of words to describe a few subtle things. However there was just something different about sidesprang this game, and I wanted to explore it. Now that I have I want to share this information and just keep a closer eye on him. The fact that so much has happened in the thread and sidesprang has only called Jay scummy is something that is different than his previous town games. The fact that he spends a lot of time discussing my meta feels like he's playing this game with a different mindset, one that's not so focused on scum hunting and more focused on looking like he's contributing. In fact, in the previous three town games that I skimmed I didn't see one instance of him defending a player. All his efforts were on scum hunting. So. Conclusion: Sidesprang is scummy because his approach to this game is different, which can be seen as scummy for the reasons expressed above. We should keep a close eye on him and see how he chooses to continue the game.
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Above is about Suki.
I am just going over some filters. Trying to already see in which direction I want to lynch and I want the people that are going to post a little to be able to give opinions on my reads if they can't find the time to read the thread properly as well.
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On February 07 2014 23:08 suki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 22:39 Aquanim wrote:
About Sidesprang ... do you think his analysis of your meta is accurate? Basically his comment is, I'm more trolly and having fun compared to all my previous games. This is obviously true. Overall it's accurate but he's not really saying anything deep. I'm not going to tell you whether or not this is more likely to come from a town suki or a scum suki, because as we learned last game from Koshi a person saying that X and Y can't come from them when they're scum doesn't mean anything. I'll let you come to that conclusion on your own.
Yes, I used those powers for the Dark Side.
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I just think it is too easy coming from Oats. His vote previous game on me was actually based on us playing together and he knew something was off. His vote on Hopeless same story. I don't really know how he ended up on Cake in the end though. I guess we played him and he had no clue anymore.
But this game his vote on jayB was meh. His vote on Suki was meh. His vote on Sidesprang is meh.
And he hasn't called anybody town yet and came in the thread trowing some suspicion on Aqua which I didn't like at all.
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On February 07 2014 23:34 suki wrote:
What about him throwing suspicion on Aqua didn't you like?
He came in the thread pretty late and he says something silly about Aqua.
On February 07 2014 11:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
Aqua is being very very guiding without actually hunting scum.
I just don't like it.
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On February 07 2014 23:44 suki wrote:
Do you think what he says is true?
It was true, but is that how you enter the thread after everything that happened? It could have been more, better and awesomer.
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Nha, I don't want to be the Chancellor. I get this image in my head of a sneaky guy that spits venom in the ear of the King.
Make me Lord. Lord Koshi.
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