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On February 07 2014 14:15 Balla24 wrote:
Reasonable on the first point.
The second, it's not an association case. I'm not saying jaybrundage + jonnylaw are scum. I'm saying jonnylaw is scum on his own.
So you reckon that he'd be more tolerant about peoples' failings as scum, no matter whether he's talking about his scumbuddy or a townie... yeah, I guess I could see that being true, actually.
I'd quite like to see his reply to these points.
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Hi Jonny. Do you have anything to say regarding these observations?
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@Jonny: So, if you think his case holds no merit, do you think Balla is mistaken or scum?
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hihi, anybody about and want to talk?
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Yeah, I'll be around for an hour or two before sleeping.
About Sidesprang's 'focus' on discussing your meta and defending you... do you think that's more reasonable considering that I specifically asked for opinions on my observations about you?
For that matter, do you think his analysis of your meta is accurate?
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On February 07 2014 23:21 suki wrote:
@Aquanim
Who do you find scummy right now?
Jonny tops the list at the moment.
I feel like this response by Jonny:
On February 07 2014 16:15 JonnyLaw wrote:
Why do you even want me to look at that Suki? Balla says I think his king post was funny. Am I supposed to take that seriously? I refuse to do so.
I talk to Jay about the last game. Uhhh....I felt bad for tunneling a townie so hard? I want jay to play the game and you guys start out right where I fucking left off. If he's scum (which I get to in my next post) we can lynch him.
And Balla's mad that I don't think he's paying attention and I refuse to call him "king." Yeah...what is there to say about that "case" on me.
Finishing the jay post. be back with you in a second.
misinterpreted some of Balla's points and completely ignored the strongest one.
I also don't think Jonny's putting a significant amount of effort into drawing information out of the thread. I can't see any questions he's asked anyone, or any serious pressure.
may as well do this now instead of waiting till tomorrow
##Vote: JonnyLaw
I really want to see this case on Balla he claims to have.
idk what to make of jayB now, gonna need to see more from him to make any solid read. Similar for sidesprang.
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On February 07 2014 23:47 suki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 12:15 Aquanim wrote:Hey guys I'd like to discuss SukiFilter in the original game as town: Asks lots of questions, discusses reads, VERY direct Filter in this game: Mostly trolly one-liners about "King" Balla, doesn't talk much about reads unless directly asked, is not asking many questions. I haven't thoroughly meta-d Suki but I'm really feeling a serious gap in her attitude between the two games. I can't see any reason in Suki's filter to think she is town so far. Does anyone else have any? What do you think of me currently Aqua? Has your opinion that you don't see anything to think I'm town changed? What are your conclusions about the meta case on me?
I'm willing to accept that your trollier attitude at the start of the game was the result of whimsy rather than being scum. I like your attitude to the game and your pushing for information and see it as moderately towny, but I'm reserving any strong conclusions until I see you interacting directly with Sidesprang (and other persons of interest) rather than leaving questions in the thread for them to answer later, since I think dynamic interactions are far harder for scum to mimic.
My meta-read of you was only ever to illustrate the point that you were capable of playing serious, direct and straight-up town. That aspect of the case has been discussed a fair bit more than I intended.
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I'm out for the night, see you all later.
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EBWOP: "I like your current attitude to the game..." etc.
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@LoneMeow: Is there any particular reason you gave your reads on Jonny, Balla, Jay and suki here but not on anybody else?
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@JayB: So far as I can see, Jonny hasn't pushed any reads so far and I don't think he's trying to learn more about other players through his posts. Why do you think Alakaslam is a better lynch than him?
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@Oatsmaster: What's your read on Jonny at the moment?
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On February 08 2014 11:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
I want to lynch sidesprang. I wont lynch alak like right now but I dont think he is town
Why don't you want to lynch alak "right now" if you don't think he's town?
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On February 08 2014 11:44 Hopeless1der wrote:
Because he obviously thinks sprang is town. Nowait.
Fair enough. OK I'll talk to you then.
What do you think of jayB's case above on Alak? How does it reflect on Alak and jayB to you?
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On February 08 2014 12:09 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 11:47 Aquanim wrote:On February 08 2014 11:44 Hopeless1der wrote:
Because he obviously thinks sprang is town. Nowait. Fair enough. OK I'll talk to you then. What do you think of jayB's case above on Alak? How does it reflect on Alak and jayB to you? It certainly makes jayb look better. Scummy working his way back to null for alak due to general lurkiness.
You reckon? As cases go, I think his case on Alak is very sketchy.
I don't think it's unreasonable for Alak to be pointing out that jayB is not in fact going for a lurker policy lynch, like jayB said he might. It's not like Alak is calling for a jayB lynch based on that one point, he's just pointing it out. Furthermore, it's obvious that Alak was still reading through the thread at that point so jayB's observation that
If anything Alakaslam would be reading the thread and seeing if I was pushing my scum suspect and scum hunting.
doesn't convince me at all.
Also, I can't help but notice that (IIRC) every case jayB has made so far this game has been on somebody who attacked him first. Not 100% scum-indicative on its own, but certainly enough to raise my eyebrows.
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On February 08 2014 12:24 Hopeless1der wrote:
i hadnt noticed the omgus trend. that is interesting to note.
The thought has crossed my mind though that straight-up paranoid OMGUS is something I've seen from townies in the past too just as much as scum.
It is indeed interesting and I intend to think about it some more.
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On February 08 2014 12:30 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 12:22 Aquanim wrote:On February 08 2014 12:09 Hopeless1der wrote:On February 08 2014 11:47 Aquanim wrote:On February 08 2014 11:44 Hopeless1der wrote:
Because he obviously thinks sprang is town. Nowait. Fair enough. OK I'll talk to you then. What do you think of jayB's case above on Alak? How does it reflect on Alak and jayB to you? It certainly makes jayb look better. Scummy working his way back to null for alak due to general lurkiness. You reckon? As cases go, I think his case on Alak is very sketchy. I don't think it's unreasonable for Alak to be pointing out that jayB is not in fact going for a lurker policy lynch, like jayB said he might. It's not like Alak is calling for a jayB lynch based on that one point, he's just pointing it out. Furthermore, it's obvious that Alak was still reading through the thread at that point so jayB's observation that If anything Alakaslam would be reading the thread and seeing if I was pushing my scum suspect and scum hunting. doesn't convince me at all. Also, I can't help but notice that (IIRC) every case jayB has made so far this game has been on somebody who attacked him first. Not 100% scum-indicative on its own, but certainly enough to raise my eyebrows. I was actually unsure if Alakaslam had read the full thread. But in this quote he says he was going to try some filters. So I would assume he would be caught up to the thread. Or why would he be reading filters with out context? Also the vast majority of people have called me scum in this game so far. So not much of an accomplishment. Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 10:03 Alakaslam wrote:
I have work folks. Yes I would be unhappy if I was lynched.
That being said @suki: you appear to have "gotten better" as has Balla24 but it just doesn't strike me as the best entrance. I may be biased through being tired and a time crunch.
I am kind of fighting a pregame bias that Jaybrundage is scum because last game I was CONVINCED he was scum and !what! He was almost made innocent child.
Going to try some filters now.
Yeah OK let me rephrase that. Your only point against Alakaslam (re. lurker policy lynch), and one of your only two points against Koshi (re. "you feel off" or whatever it was) were directly related to them raising points against you.
There's plenty of material in the thread which isn't people talking about you, but your cases have mostly ignored that material.
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EBWOP: And personally, given that Alakaslam threw it out as an observation rather than trying to build a serious case on it, I have no problem with him raising the point that you weren't policy lynching him.
If Alakaslam were building a complete argument that you were scummy and putting down a vote, I'd expect to see reference to the rest of your filter. Since he wasn't, I don't expect it.
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