Yeah I had the same problem you guys had on this final day. I had hopeless, aqua and oats as solidly townie, and I turned off my brain with Coag and just assumed he was town as well. So that only left you. And I guess just through cognitive bias I kept the tunnel going.

I like to think that if I had survived into the next day, I would have pushed Coag like you guys did because he basically stopped playing and contributing, which is completely his scum meta.

suki

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February 17 2014 22:57 GMT

#1923

Also I didn't really know what to say to defend myself. A lot of the points brought up against me were true, things like soft defending Jonny, some of the contradictions.

It felt like people just had this image of my scum being totally godlike when if you look at how I played these last three town games vs the scum game people are referring to, my playstyle, attitude etc are completely different. But of course when I try to explain that the response was 'well, suki knows these things about her play so she can compensate for it' so it felt like fighting a losing battle.

suki

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February 17 2014 23:02 GMT

#1927

On February 18 2014 07:59 LoneMeow wrote:

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I think some wise coach once told me to not bother too much defending and instead just post as much analysis as possible. Even if it does not save you it will be useful to the remaining townies after your flip.

That's what I tried to do. Unfortunately I suck too much at analysis to help anyone after my death. Hah.

suki

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February 18 2014 02:40 GMT

#1970

On February 18 2014 10:22 Promethelax wrote:

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You should see our irc logs.

Half of the logs are Prome complaining that his internet sucks.

The other half is me saying THIS GUY TOTES SCUM, prome asking 'why?' and me saying 'I don't know BLAGHH STOP ASKING HARD QUESTIONS'

suki

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February 18 2014 03:53 GMT

#1983

Jay it's been a week since I was totes JAY SCUM TUNNEL OF JUSTICE but let me think what sticks out to me the most...

Your over-eagerness to push a case on Koshi seemed out of character for you and you kept on exaggerating how scummy Koshi looked (and eventually pulled Balla in and called them a scum team). It was hard to believe that you seriously thought that this was true and felt too forced. So really at the beginning it was a total gut feeling thing.

Later on, there were several things that I noticed that just felt off to me...

1. You saying you would scum hunt at the beginning, post a giant case on koshi, and then for the rest of the day you barely pushed anyone.
2. You weren't pressuring people, asking them questions etc.
3. You seemed much more defensive. I'm wondering if being blue this game changed your outlook to care more about survival because I had this meta read on you that if you were town you wouldn't care about people's cases on you and would just counter-pressure.

Probably those were the biggest things. If it's any consolation to you, I'm actually really really good at pushing lynches against blue roles when I'm town -_-;

If you could comment on these points I'd really like to hear your thoughts because I want to improve and not push bad tunnels in the future.

suki

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February 18 2014 03:56 GMT

#1985

Ah that's true.

Just a lot of the things that Jay was doing was different from last game, and when I asked myself 'Why is it different?' it was really hard to think that he had consciously made this change as an improvement to his town game. That's why I was so vehement on lynching him.

suki

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February 18 2014 03:59 GMT

#1986

On February 18 2014 12:40 Balla24 wrote:

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I think this explains it:

"Ah. My notes from my previous game say:

"If I roll town, be more decisive. Push harder. Try not to be so wishy washy and careless."

What that translates to for me is I will be tunneling people and really trying to push their buttons, even if my case isn't the best.

In my previous game I also played a bit too careless because I wasn't worried about getting killed (since I was just a VT). I need to tighten up my game a bit more. " -suki

Yes, this was what I had in mind.

However I did not mean that I was going to tunnel someone into the ground without justification. I really did feel like Jay (and LoneMeow on Day 3) were scum and so I was playing my hardest to convince town and justify and provide reads. I was really trying my best.

One of the big differences in this game compared to the others is that I actually did have scum reads and wasn't completely lost with seeing everyone as town. Having actual reads really contributed to my attitude and behaviour this game in comparison to our previous games.

suki

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February 18 2014 04:05 GMT

#1989

Yeah see I don't care about people's defenses. I think scum can easily WIFOM their way out of bad situations.

I was looking at jay's contributions to the thread and his attitude more than anything else.

suki

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February 18 2014 04:08 GMT

#1992

Also I hated that blue claim and the follow up 'hypothetical' post on Day 3.

suki

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February 18 2014 04:08 GMT

#1993

Hmmmmm..

I didn't care about his defenses against your guys pressure? But he didn't really do anything to address the points that I was bringing up myself.

suki

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February 18 2014 04:10 GMT

#1994

I jumped around like a crazy person in NMM1 because they were refuting MY cases and MY pressure.

suki

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February 18 2014 04:12 GMT

#1997

Ah I guess.

I mean, I totally was ready to back off of Jay but he never gave me any reason to.

In Day 3 I jumped on Jay with what I thought was a slam dunk case and when he replied with such great reasoning I backed off instantly right? Day 1 I would have been the same if Jay had only responded the way I felt he would respond if he were town.

Obviously there's an element of ego and an element of 'this is the way the game should be played' but that's how this game is played :o