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I have a lot more to read than I expected. I'll catch up and get some thoughts out asap. | ||
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On February 12 2014 10:45 WaveofShadow wrote: Anyway, so Keirathi = Geript huh? ##Vote: Keirathi Sorry dudeguy, but your predecessor left you with a scum legacy. Wrong, Keirathi > geript. Look, I get it. Everyone thought that he was scum. But he wasn't, and I don't plan on letting myself get lynched for his stupidity. On February 12 2014 10:47 Oatsmaster wrote: WHATS THE POINT OF THIS WAVE? DONT YOU THINK YOU CAN READ KEIRATHI WITHOUT A VOTE ON HIM? Why are you immediately voting for him without him posting anything? Don't need you to fight my battles, thanks. His viewpoint is fine. Wrong conclusion, but voting me isn't some stupid play, so I'm really not sure what the rage is about. | ||
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The person I think we should be lynching today is VisceraEyes. There are a couple of things that really stood out to me when I went back through his filter: 1) His "read" on Oats Remember this quote from early in the game? On February 09 2014 16:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I agree with that what you say about Koshi. His play lacks...I don't know what else to call it but direction. Like, take Oats for example. That last post by Oats, while succinct, explains Oats thoughts about someone. And while he's not in here writing paragraphs, that's the kind of post I'd expect from a town aligned Oats. I expect similar almost effortless forays into the thread from a town-aligned Koshi that I'm not seeing here. On February 11 2014 03:34 VisceraEyes wrote: The scumread on Koshi diminished as the things I said his play was lacking started resurfacing....the effortless forays into the thread that I used Oats as an example for? Yeah, they actually started happening, so I removed my vote from Koshi. Those are the only times he mentions Oats until: On February 12 2014 01:09 VisceraEyes wrote: I think Oats/geript/Vayne/yamato is a fine scumteam. On February 12 2014 01:10 VisceraEyes wrote: OH YEAH KOSHI. Oats/geript/Vayne/Koshi. ftw. And...that's it. Now, there were lots of talk about Oats during the nomination phase, so it's possible that his read just changed because of them, but I don't think so. Because Oats is still doing the same stuff that VE expects a town Oats to do (And presumably this are things that VE believes that scum Oats *WOULDN'T* do, because if town and scum Oats both do then then the read is nonsensical anyways). But now he's scum? And presumably his top scum read (maybe they aren't in order? Dunno)? Side note: his scum read on Koshi at the end of the Nomination phase was a bit strange too. I mean, Koshi is still doing those "effortless forays into the thread", but he's scum now too. Although this one I can at least understand a bit since VE gave some reasoning. Geript too, for that matter. VE said "meh, I'm okay with geript for now" but he was suddenly back in the list too. 2) Also this post really jumped out at me as being contrived: On February 12 2014 00:31 VisceraEyes wrote: I shat on the Cora lynch. PRETTY sure I wouldn't do that as scum, but I guess it depends on who is next in line. Is that what you call it, VE? Shitting on the lynch? On February 08 2014 18:53 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't know what this means, but Cora is feeling fine to me for now. Inquisitive enough and active enough to not lynch for me. then 24 hours later: On February 09 2014 18:10 VisceraEyes wrote: Meeeehhhh...it's not really any different from what I expect from twonCora so far yamato. Like...you even said it, his only opinions are of people attacking him. He found you all so he's clearly reading the thread right? On February 09 2014 18:11 VisceraEyes wrote: I read what you posted I just dnt think it makes him scum. I meant Cora's filter. At this point, there was 1 vote on Cora from 12+ hours ago, and still ~18 hours left in the day. Yamato was talking about cora, but there wasn't any momentum yet, so I assume that's not what you're talking about. On February 10 2014 06:21 VisceraEyes wrote: Palmer was that last bit about Cora necessary? Like okay if you agree with Holy case then fine but what did you hope to accomplish by attacking him personally? On February 10 2014 06:56 VisceraEyes wrote: I've literally never been able to correctly identify Grack's alignment. I'll look at the filters you provided, but I'll tell you that your bullet points don't really convince me. Like, a few people are getting "free passes" and how does that mean that any of them are scum? While it's true that scum wouldn't be chomping at the bit to bring up their buddies if they're skating by, why could they just not be townies getting a free pass from other townies due to being lost in the shuffle? And the Cora lynch - I agree that it having too much steam is troubling, but why does that reflect on Grack for any reason? That's what you call "shitting on the Cora lynch"? Once the train started rolling on Cora, not once did you even say you thought he was town ("I dont think it makes him scum" is not the same thing as "I think he's town"...too non-committal), not once did you try to convince anyone he was town, not once did you even try to swing the lynch off of Cora onto someone you thought was scum. You parked your vote on VA 4 hours before this series of posts, then came back to the thread for an hour just to say that you can never read Grack and comment on some other meaningless stuff, and then disappeared until after the deadline. That's not "shitting on the lynch" that's being apathetic towards the lynch. Which *IS* something scum VE would do. And for that matter, this post is kind of boggling too: On February 11 2014 03:14 VisceraEyes wrote: I am playing, I wanted to lynch Vayne. Such is explicit in my posts. I wasn't around at deadline, but that doesn't make me scum does it rayn? Go read Shadow if you need evidence of that. And guess what's for dinner tonight! MOTHERFUCKING PORKCHOPS RAYN! I gave reasoning for why I think Vayne is mafia. I voted for Vayne. I tried to get others to vote Vayne. Whatever you say along the lines of "VE didn't really want to lynch Vayne" is an outright lie. Gave reasoning why you think vayne is mafia. Okay, I can buy that: On February 09 2014 17:15 VisceraEyes wrote: Well I will say this. I was expecting more on VAs return than "lynch noncontributors by policy˝. It stuck out to me because I pulled that same shit as mafia on Nomination. On February 09 2014 17:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Well looking at his filter, he seems to like...want you to think he is scumhunting right? But then comes in later and sayshe wants to policy lynch lurkers? Like he was talking about PoEing the scum or whatever, has he abandoned that approach entirely because scum aren't likely to nominate lurkers? I just don't understand how a townie gets from A to B you know? But tried to get others to vote for Vayne? Where? On February 10 2014 02:16 VisceraEyes wrote: We all should lynch VA. For the town. That's not what I call "trying to get others to vote for Vayne". That's plopping a vote down and saying "sheep me!" and buggering off about it. Where's the "Hey marv, take a look at Vayne for me? I posted some reasons why I think he's scum like 8 hours ago and I think he's a good lynch." Or anything of the sort. There's no engagement there. No passion. It all just feels kinda fake. TL;DR - making up reads as he goes, being apathetic towards the lynch when he supposedly had a solid town read on the main lynch candidate and a solid scum read on someone else, etc. VE be scum, yo. ##Vote: VisceraEyes ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other people I'm interested in but don't have time to write up a lot about tonight: Vayne - I agree with marv's reasonings here. The stuff surrounding the lynch is pretty damning. My slight hesitation here though is that I dunno if I can see VE and VA scum together. It's *POSSIBLE*, considering that for all the blustering that VE has done about VA, I still don't really feel like he put a lot into actually trying to get him lynched day 1. But I dunno if it's likely. And VA's defeatist attitude at the end of the nomination phase puts him slightly lower than VE on my reads. yamato - The vayne stuff that was pointed out was pretty good. Also a happy little coincidence that VE's random reads on Oats/Geript/Koshi happened to push yamato off of his possible scum list? That's about it for now. I'll try to read Holy/Grack sometime tomorrow. | ||
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Meh. You were all about getting the credit for the lynch, then On February 10 2014 09:34 yamato77 wrote: Whatever, it's his own damn fault he got lynched. and basically told everyone to fuck off. How the fuck is that a townie mindset? | ||
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Too-da-loo! | ||
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On February 12 2014 17:29 yamato77 wrote: Pretty sure geript was scum. trolly start into rage at being called mafia for fucking around the whole game thus far into afk/replacement keir isn't helping, trying to call me mafia for weak ass reasons I literally don't have the will to type the same response every time someone brings up the vayne thing "Keir put me in his scum list, so he must be scum!" Aw, boo fucking hoo. But fine, this argument is pointless because you're not my top read anyways. Go read what I wrote about VE and give me some opinions. And while you're at it, read through VE's filter in NMME1 and tell me what you see. Sleepsies for real now. | ||
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On February 13 2014 07:05 marvellosity wrote: I could definitely lynch Keir too I think. One thing I found particularly interesting was how he agreed with the yam/VA stuff without taking into account that me and palmar and rayn at the time found yamato's explanation fairly genuine. seems a weird bit of the puzzle to leave out. LYNCH ALL THE PEOPLE Genuine explanation doesn't necessarily mean town explanation. Yam isn't an idiot. I have no problem believing he could come up with that explanation as town or scum. And I will admit the yam read is more of an association with VE. Maybe I'm a bit tunneled on VE, but I just played with town VE less than a month ago and he feels pretty entirely different. | ||
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On February 13 2014 04:16 WaveofShadow wrote: Reading his case now, I'm still honestly not sure why we're not lynching Keirathi. One post after replacing somebody who didn't look particularly good shouldn't be enough even IF people aren't lynching him because 'give him a chance' or some shit. He uses the word 'contrived' to talk about VE but that perfectly describes the case in general. It could be bias because I have a townread on VE but his describing the thought of Cora's lynch being 'worrying' is exactly what I would have done were I around (yes I know marv but we've been over this) and I probably would consider that exactly as VE did. I'm not sure why his describing it as such even makes him scum. What? My point wasn't that VE calling the lynch "worrying" was somehow scummy. It wasn't. The scummy part was coming back into the thread later being all "I shat on the Cora lynch and no one listened to me, wah wah". On February 13 2014 04:16 WaveofShadow wrote: Another thing I thought about was somebody posted recently (in a postgame or something somewhere? I don't remember) that Keirathi is supposedly some sort of meta master. Where's the meta in this case on VE? (Am I wrong wiht thsi point?) I was in the process of re-reading VE's filter from NMME1 since I had just played with VE less than a month ago, but it was already after 2am and I didn't have time to keep reading/writing. So why did I go after VE instead of the other random people in this game? I expect more from VE than I do other people because I've played with him multiple times and I know that he's capable of having reasonable arguments rather than boo-hoo'ing after the fact that he wanted VA lynched and that Cora was town but no one would listen to him. He didn't care about either one of them when it was important. | ||
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On February 12 2014 18:01 Palmar wrote: I'm not going to go back to verify what you're claiming is true here Keirath, but I don't see how that is mafia mindset either. Assuming your premise is true, that yamato initially wanted credit for the lynch, and then blamed cora, why would mafia do that? Mafia already knows there is no credit to be taken from the lynch, right? So why would scumyamato want credit. Because yamato has more ego than brains. And because you're here making this argument for him. But really, my point was about his response after him trying to take the credit. Rational townie response: "Bah, I really thought he was town. I fucked up." Damage control scum response: "Fuck him he didn't even try. He deserved to get lynched." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Actually, that reminds me of something else from my extensive filter diving on VE last night: On February 11 2014 03:23 VisceraEyes wrote: Palmar looks fucking terrible for his stance on Cora. Whether he's familiar with Cora or not, the circumstances surrounding the Cora lynch should have made it blatantly obvious that Cora was town, and to justify still being on him, he's got this whole "He's an asshole, would lynch regardless of alignment" thing going on. Marv is reliant on meta, and so the lack of rage from Cora holds water for him...Palmar has no such excuse to be on Cora. Which is basically exactly what yamato said too. But he only called out Palmar for it, not yamato. What gives, VE? | ||
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On February 10 2014 01:51 Grackaroni wrote: Do you really think I'm sitting in the scum QT right now writing, "We need to get rid of Marv first. He's the best."? On February 10 2014 11:00 Grackaroni wrote: Lol Oats I think I'll be here a while longer. I don't knowGrack; maybe he can do that as scum, but I'm doubtful. It's just too care-free and open and silly. He's welcome to stay for now. | ||
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On February 13 2014 08:14 Palmar wrote: Keir, let's kill holy! you down homie? I haven't looked through his filter. All I really remember is his case on Cora to +1. I'll go read. | ||
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On February 13 2014 08:16 Holyflare wrote: BC wanted to rage bus grackaroni in LXIII BECAUSE he spent day 1 and 2 trolling the game, the fact that keir who has been explained in this thread is good at meta bases his whole reason for keeping grack on the game on false meta, that's a good indicator of a scum team geript/grack confirmed! <3 gg You've never played a single fucking game with me. You don't get to call me a "meta-master" or something just because someone else said it. I use meta when it's appropriate to use meta. IE when I've played with someone (preferrably multiple times), and almost solely from games that I was a player in. | ||
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On February 13 2014 08:20 Holyflare wrote: YOU JUST USED META TO SAY GRACK WAS TOWN LOLOLOLOLOL No i didnt? I said I don't see a scum being that carefree and open. I didn't say anything about scum Grack specifically, because I've never read a scum Grack game, or even a town Grack game. If you have some emta as to why Grack, specifically, could do that, then feel free to share. But right now you're just twisting my fucking words and you look like an idiot for it. | ||
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On February 13 2014 08:46 VayneAuthority wrote: huh? ok but really this game is boring so if i die whatevs So what was the point of On February 13 2014 08:39 VayneAuthority wrote: I think we can all agree on lynching oats? hard to lynch HF after that pic. Do you think HF is scum or not? | ||
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##vote: grackaroni Stronger town reads on the other 2. | ||
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Sorry fellas | ||
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Not that that excuses not posting, though. TBH before i replaced, geript was my #1 scum read. Should have known that was who I was replacing  Also it felt like the biggest proponents for my lynch in the times I *WAS* around was my own teammates, which was extremely demoralizing. So I just gave up and I feel pretty bad about it.Probably my last game for a while again. GL fellas! | ||
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By that time it was 2am and I had to be at work at 8 the next morning Edit: Also, the problem was that in my head, there was no way town would lynch VA and then when he flipped town, turn around and lynch you. My goal with pushing you was to get you lynched, and then VA would be the obvious lynch the next day. Edit2: What I mean with ^ is that, the way I saw things, I was going to be the default lynch after VA flipped. If I could get you lynched first, then the next lynch would be between me and VA and I hoped I could talk myself out of that. Of course, that's not how it went down, but that was my plan when i started pushing you. Also, I semi-attempted to frame oats. I was planning on never mentioning his name, but then I didn't end up posting enough for it to matter  | ||
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On February 19 2014 13:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Well when VE yamato and what Risen? are the only people you mention, there's a bunch of people you never mention. VA, not Risen Oh, and a town read on Grack! (In fairness, that's why I said "semi-attempted" ) | ||
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