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I gave Risen an early town read based on this flip-flop:
On February 08 2014 15:44 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 15:15 yamato77 wrote:On February 08 2014 15:07 yamato77 wrote:
Slam trolling , alignment indicative?
The one game I thought I could read him as town he was mafia. Is his town play intentionally unreadable? Slam meta solved. In case it isn't clear, I'm being sarcastic. I'm more leaning towards Alaka/Cora being scum mates.
On February 08 2014 15:45 Risen wrote:
EBWOP: Nvm. Seems stupid now that I've aired the thought. Stupid because why would they do that? And not a why would scum do that but then they do it etcetc, just a why would anyone do that and no one is going to put thought into something like that.
It just seems like a genuine thought process, a hastily voiced opinion then retracted. I mean it could be fabricated but at face value it looks pretty good.
On February 09 2014 06:05 Risen wrote:Why? Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 05:59 geript wrote:On February 09 2014 05:55 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 09 2014 05:46 geript wrote:On February 08 2014 21:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Risen totes town though
Feels I'm here wubbybumpkins... explain this one to me. Apparently I'm not supposed to have townreads (unless you disagree with Rayn's explanation to me)? Even then, feels require no explanation. They come from the heart. I have some stuff for you though, did your frenetic posting earlier on in the game have a specific point to it? And your vote on Oats atm? If you actually think Oats is scum what do you make of his vote on Rayn? Getting my daily in. Brb. Short reason, at first it was a troll vote, but oats is looking scummy to me now. His gore... Meaningless This post is decidedly null. ##vote: CorazonShould throw this in now since plurality.
He's the one guy aside from geript who responded to my "who thinks he's obvious town" question. I did not get the impression Risen was trolling and because it matched with my thoughts on him at the time (towny) I agreed it was a good call to make.
In addition he made this post, which I thought was a great question:
On February 09 2014 06:05 Risen wrote:Why? Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 05:59 geript wrote:On February 09 2014 05:55 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 09 2014 05:46 geript wrote:On February 08 2014 21:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Risen totes town though
Feels I'm here wubbybumpkins... explain this one to me. Apparently I'm not supposed to have townreads (unless you disagree with Rayn's explanation to me)? Even then, feels require no explanation. They come from the heart. I have some stuff for you though, did your frenetic posting earlier on in the game have a specific point to it? And your vote on Oats atm? If you actually think Oats is scum what do you make of his vote on Rayn? Getting my daily in. Brb. Short reason, at first it was a troll vote, but oats is looking scummy to me now. His gore... Meaningless This post is decidedly null. ##vote: CorazonShould throw this in now since plurality.
The only problem here is that he actually ended up going for Cora instead of helping me go after geript harder.
On February 09 2014 18:03 Risen wrote:
Drunk risen says yamato scum and I don't remember why. Am I alone?
I liked this post, drunk posting is a towntell.
On February 11 2014 03:39 Risen wrote:
I'm guessing a setup nomination to get rid of me. Completely nonsensical people being put up.
On top of this, if WoS/Palmar are scum I'm screwed since I've given them hall passes on buddying me in an attempt to not be uber paranoid.
Something that hurts: Rayn the Relentless hasn't said as many nice things about me as usual this game :/ <3
This looks kinda good too, it's just a lot of observations he doesn't have to make.
I don't know, I still think Risen is kinda towny. But I'd love some input from other people.
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I may be biased, he's buddying me 
On February 11 2014 04:32 Risen wrote:
"Palmar's stance on Cora is fishy because he literally says "I would lynch again knowing he's town"."
What's scummy about saying that? I'm saying it's a stretch to call that scummy. Looks like you're grasping for something that isn't there. Looks like you're trying to be in the thread without doing anything.
But I mean from my point of view his opinions are entirely correct.
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okay Risen is "town" in our little circlejerk here.
Let's move on to Oatsmaster.
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On February 11 2014 19:58 marvellosity wrote:
maybe. I'm suddenly having doubts because Risen is usually incapable of being sensible as town.
we'll just assume that he's town until the rest of the people look more towny than him, I guess. I have a feeling we'll find plenty of people more scummy than him.
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Oats meta question: His filter is very short, I can't remember if this is normal or abnormal for him. Please halp?
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I liked this early question from Oats, but noted that it was very, very cheap (ie, it's a good question but anyone can make it).
On February 08 2014 11:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
What are you hoping your vote will achieve geript? No one is gonna lynch va just because of that.
Its not useful to discuss the nomination mechanic now so dont
Here's something forgot, his initial read on marv was actually town:
On February 09 2014 14:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
I would lynch cora and rayn right now. Marv getting into stupid shitfests probably means he is town.
How come nobody thinks im scum???
He also cared disproportionally much about Vayne's observation about lynching people who were being useless.
Here's something:
On February 09 2014 18:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
why do I get bad feels from VE.
suspicion, nothing behind it. He threw another one like this at rayn too. I'm not sure if he ever mentioned it being strategy.
His case on marv is an omgus case, but I didn't hold it against him because I did not think marv's case was particularly convincing.
By the looks of it, on day 1 oats wanted to kill/was suspicious of
Koshi/marv/rayn/VE/Cora/WoS and today he's thrown out a want to lynch on yamato too.
I don't know his reads are highly inconsistent.
I'm unsure, as some of the things he says make sense, but he's just so all over the place with no direction and generally seems okay with having no influence.
maybe he's scum...
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I agree VE is one of the easiest "almost certainly scum"
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I'm actually not certain of yamato, there's just so many scummy people. Like if we say VA, VE and yamato are scum, only one out of Oats, Holy, geript, WoS and Grack is scum.
I feel that group has more than one dude of red.
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I'm just following your train of thought.
I think VE is scum, I don't think VA is, but people keep telling me that what I'm taking for just a lazy/goofy player is actually something he does for meta and might mean he's scum.
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On February 11 2014 20:30 marvellosity wrote:
I can't rationalise VA saying what he did as town. It's impossible. He directly contradicted himself. If you can explain how that isn't the case, I'm all ears.
I can't, I just read it intently, just went back and read the exchange.
Also I noticed VE in that conversation "Them feels when your strongest scumread agrees with you".
I had no idea VA was VE's strongest scumread, time to look at VE more.
And I agree it's really bad.
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I thought _I_ was VE's strongest scumread based on ponies and rainbows or something.
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I think marv makes an excellent point.
@marv trying to draw this picture of the game would you say VA is your no1 scumread?
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On February 11 2014 20:40 marvellosity wrote:
I'm so mad that Cora didn't rage :p
I thought he did, he was really mad at me for some reason.
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I thought I was going to be the consensus lynch out of us three, but I guess I'm less controversial than I anticipated.
I still think geript did the classic rage at me when I pointed out how he fucked up, and then disappeared into the shadows at first chance.
His vote on day1 was a dead vote. It's not worth much, but at least it's something to put a finger on.
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I just haven't read Grack. I hate dealing with replacements as I generally form my reads very early in the game.
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I need to hop afk for an hour or so. Will continue brainstorming later.
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I don't think it's a stretch to believe marv's townread of reyn is genuine and correct.
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I think that mafia team is a long stretch.
Also I don't know why geript/grack cant be mafia together, I thought that push was clearly half-assed.
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All this being said, I still haven't read Grack. i'm not certain he needs to be scum. could very well be that geript/va is core scum, with some people in holyfl/ve/wos/oats/yam as the other two
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