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On February 04 2014 12:57 suki wrote:
I like your post and your line of thinking thus far. The fact that you've put a lot of thought into sidesprang's meta is a point in your favour as it's less likely scum would do that.
That's wrong IMO. I use meta like crazy to justify my otherwise inexplicable townreads early on when I'm scum. Meta is as much as a tool for mafia as it is for town.
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On February 04 2014 13:00 suki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 12:53 Balla24 wrote:
Your notes are basically the same thing I was thinking except on cakeman. He was bringing new information to the thread that nobody pointed out before. That's good, not bad. Hi Balla~ Are you saying that cakeman is bringing new information to the thread because I don't see it. He's spent a lot of time saying how he doesn't like my opening post for not addressing Koshi's topic, when clearly I addressed it. Also, he didn't even contribute his own thoughts on the matter, even though Koshi's policy was the most "relevant thing" to talk about.
I'm saying I disagree with what JB said here:
On February 04 2014 12:24 jaybrundage wrote:
4. cakemanofdoom no content There is quite a bit of things in the game atm and he chooses to comment on suki saying thats nice. Pretty lackluster choice
I don't find what he chose to comment on lackluster because it was new information (or perhaps the better word is PoV). I don't really agree that it was CLEAR what you said, but whatever.
Not contributing his own thoughts is annoying, but I can't say its scummy. A lot had already been said about the subject. I don't fault him for not saying anything about it.
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On February 04 2014 13:05 suki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 13:03 jaybrundage wrote:I don't see intention behind your posts besides to post for the sake of it. We were three pages into Day 1. What do you expect? I think I was successful as plenty of discussion has come up from it and we're not wasting time talking about policy anymore.
Who is scum then if you were so successful?
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Well I think everyone posted a bit. The people who were against Koshi's plan are probably townie. The easier and more unreadable way to enter as mafia would just be to agree with him generically and leave it at that.
##unvote
On February 04 2014 12:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hi guys, jay probably town
[edit made by Balla to replace johnny -> jay since that's what he meant]
What was the point of this? No real justification. Jay wasn't really a huge controversial point or anything so it's not like you wanted to quickly get in your opinion before the thread derailed even further or he was lynched or something.
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On February 04 2014 14:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
Suki was pushing jay.
Its a read that could be discuss. Why do you disagree?
It's not about the read... maybe I agree with it maybe I don't. The whole point is a read is useless without elaboration and reasoning. Also, posting a town read at that point makes no sense. You basically defended jaybrundage for no reason.
On February 04 2014 14:57 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 12:01 Balla24 wrote:On February 04 2014 11:54 suki wrote:
cake we can discuss jay's big post and what you think of it.
My thought is he uses a lot of words to essentially say nothing. Some people post more fluff than others. What are you trying to say? You're generically saying it's bad but not saying why. You really think he's not accomplishing anything with that? Of course my phone is glitch ing so I have to try and type this out-_- No actually he didn't I learned nothing from it
You learning nothing does not mean he didn't accomplish anything. Are you saying you learned nothing from the response to it too? Cause that's straight BS.
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On February 04 2014 15:08 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 15:06 Balla24 wrote:On February 04 2014 14:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
Suki was pushing jay.
Its a read that could be discuss. Why do you disagree? It's not about the read... maybe I agree with it maybe I don't. The whole point is a read is useless without elaboration and reasoning. Also, posting a town read at that point makes no sense. You basically defended jaybrundage for no reason. On February 04 2014 14:57 Alakaslam wrote:On February 04 2014 12:01 Balla24 wrote:On February 04 2014 11:54 suki wrote:
cake we can discuss jay's big post and what you think of it.
My thought is he uses a lot of words to essentially say nothing. Some people post more fluff than others. What are you trying to say? You're generically saying it's bad but not saying why. You really think he's not accomplishing anything with that? Of course my phone is glitch ing so I have to try and type this out-_- No actually he didn't I learned nothing from it You learning nothing does not mean he didn't accomplish anything. Are you saying you learned nothing from the response to it too? Cause that's straight BS. I hard defended jay so we didnt have to waste time being all wishy washy about him. Balla, who is scum?
You defending jay the way you did doesn't accomplish that at all... you think just cause 1 person says he's town with no reasoning will lead to us to stop trying to figure out his alignment? That's stupid.
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On February 04 2014 15:18 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 15:15 Balla24 wrote:On February 04 2014 15:08 Oatsmaster wrote:On February 04 2014 15:06 Balla24 wrote:On February 04 2014 14:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
Suki was pushing jay.
Its a read that could be discuss. Why do you disagree? It's not about the read... maybe I agree with it maybe I don't. The whole point is a read is useless without elaboration and reasoning. Also, posting a town read at that point makes no sense. You basically defended jaybrundage for no reason. On February 04 2014 14:57 Alakaslam wrote:On February 04 2014 12:01 Balla24 wrote:On February 04 2014 11:54 suki wrote:
cake we can discuss jay's big post and what you think of it.
My thought is he uses a lot of words to essentially say nothing. Some people post more fluff than others. What are you trying to say? You're generically saying it's bad but not saying why. You really think he's not accomplishing anything with that? Of course my phone is glitch ing so I have to try and type this out-_- No actually he didn't I learned nothing from it You learning nothing does not mean he didn't accomplish anything. Are you saying you learned nothing from the response to it too? Cause that's straight BS. I hard defended jay so we didnt have to waste time being all wishy washy about him. Balla, who is scum? You defending jay the way you did doesn't accomplish that at all... you think just cause 1 person says he's town with no reasoning will lead to us to stop trying to figure out his alignment? That's stupid. I made this connectio?n I wholeheartedly agree what is up with that I declare Koshi town nobody pressure him or mess with them or anything or whatever because I defended him real hard
Dude I don't know what the fuck you are saying half the time you post. Please read what you post. Where did you defend Koshi?
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Sorry that was a bit rude.
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On February 04 2014 15:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
Koshi scum for suggesting a really bad policy about post counts and nothing else. It feels like bait for scum to jump on but there is no followup.
Can you explain what you mean by the red please?
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On February 04 2014 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Its so bad, so if its town koshi, I assume he doesnt mean it seriously and has some reason for posting it. But no signs of that so far.
Can you explain a bit more?
1. How does Koshi posting something "bad" make it bait for scum to jump on? Basically: what will scum do with it?
2. Did anybody jump on it?
3. Was this your first thought when you read it?
On Koshi creating "shitposting":
Policy discussion isn't shitposting, it forces people to take responsibility for what they say. If they don't follow through, then we can figure out what's up. I said I would easily be able to hit the benchmark, cool, if I dont reach anywhere close to that then WTF? These kind of things are good, not bad. Hopeless did a similar thing to me, saying he's motivated by it, but he bailed.
On February 05 2014 00:38 JonnyLaw wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 22:50 Koshi wrote:
I never said it was nonsense. It's a good policy but in the end I knew I wouldn't follow through with it anyway. And take away everything people said about my first post in the game and we would have a 6 page thread. So yeah, I am pretty happy with it. You're making the same point I made. You posted something stupid that you admittedly don't want to follow through with in the end. If we take away everyone talking about your first post then maybe we'd have better content instead of discussion about post counts. Did the discussion about that post tell you where the scum are at in this game Koshi? I don't think that discussion will ever point out scum. Why even go there when you don't want to follow through anyway? I'm trying to understand your motives here.
If you're going to call one opening bad, then you should provide a counterpoint. You never did this. You seemed very eager to get past all the policy talk but never really provided any exit strategies until someone else moved in another direction.
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On February 05 2014 01:03 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 01:01 LoneMeow wrote:On February 05 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
mannnn Koshi's shitposting is AFTER his first post.
Is there anything else in this game that you think is worth talking about than Koshi's "shitposting"? how everyone doesnt really want to find scum lol. I dunno, nothing really stood out. I would really like to discuss cakemanofdoom and hopeless though, what are your thoughts on them?
This isn't really directed at only you, but i'm quoting this since it's an example. If you want to discuss a certain topic then just go at it, no reason to ask someone else to start the conversation for you.
You obviously see something, so what it is? Then ask others what they think, whether they agree/disagree and why. Unless you have a specific reason to not reveal your hand yet.
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On February 04 2014 20:17 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 20:08 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2014 19:56 LoneMeow wrote:
What do you make of Balla24's vote/unvote on me? His reasoning made sense and playing so serious from the start is townie. Even though he unvoted without any new input from me and without providing pretty much any reason at all?
Stuff like this is similar to above.
Though here it kind of seems like LoneMeow was expecting an answer and didn't get it, and he wants to call me scum for it without calling me scum.
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On February 05 2014 01:17 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 01:16 Balla24 wrote:On February 04 2014 20:17 LoneMeow wrote:On February 04 2014 20:08 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2014 19:56 LoneMeow wrote:
What do you make of Balla24's vote/unvote on me? His reasoning made sense and playing so serious from the start is townie. Even though he unvoted without any new input from me and without providing pretty much any reason at all? Stuff like this is similar to above. Though here it kind of seems like LoneMeow was expecting an answer and didn't get it, and he wants to call me scum for it without calling me scum. Why did you unvote me at that point? Also, who do you think is scum?
Are you saying my vote was correct in the first place, seems weird that you're calling me out for unvoting. Anyways, 2 reasons:
1. I believe it's more likely for scum to have agreed with Koshi then to disagree with him straight up like you did.
2. The conversation about my vote had already been hashed out, no reason to keep it there.
Moving my vote isn't that interesting is it? I could still have my vote on you and it wouldn't really change anything.
On February 05 2014 01:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Balla, I want to see stuff that is not influenced by my conclusions. What do you think about Cake and hopeless?
Sure but is that question really something that can be influenced by what you say. I still don't know what your conclusions are. Like I don't even really know what you're trying to get at. If you have new information then bring it forward instead of trying to get us to guess at what you see.
- I've already said stuff about cake, he's ok atm. I like how he tried to bring new information to the thread.
- Hopeless has jack shit, possible scum.
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Such conclusions. Really happy they didn't color my analysis there otherwise I would have been a huge sheep!
Sorry dude. Looks more like you did the opposite. You asked an open-ended question because you didn't really see anything yourself, and then you said exactly what the people you asked said.
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Before I answer that can you answer me this:
Am I leaning town or scum? Same for LM.
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This is different. I want your answer first for a reason. Plus I can't answer the question I asked you about myself, and I already said what I thought about LM earlier.
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Oatsmaster might be scum.
On February 04 2014 15:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
Koshi scum for suggesting a really bad policy about post counts and nothing else. It feels like bait for scum to jump on but there is no followup.
I was asking him about this because it's a super weird thing to think about as town. I didn't think that, if others did let me know.
The JB town read as your first post was pretty random. Random town reads is generally scummy as they are easier to give than scum reads. Sure he semi-explained it, but "pushing the thread forward" isn't exactly the best reason to townread someone and try to stifle discussion with that.
Then this cakeman/hopeless question business. It was revealed that Oats thought/thinks LM and I are town. It was also revealed that he didn't really see anything in either of the two that was interesting. Super empty fake participation question in that case.
##vote Oatsmaster
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Rofl I kept getting interrupted. Way to steal my thunder suki.
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On February 05 2014 02:38 Alakaslam wrote:
pffft.
you all crappin on my styles
##unvote
##Vote: Oatsmaster
His flip may provide sufficient information in and of itself. If he is town, we take his posting to this point more seriously. Otherwise, oh happy day!
He is not particularly townie so there should be no problem with this.
???
Do you think this is IML or something? This vote is shit. You just said you don't try to read Oatsmaster yet now you are voting him literally minutes after you said that. For INFORMATION of all things.
What happened to your vote on LoneMeow? You didn't justify that at all yet and now you are dropping it? Doesn't make sense.
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On February 05 2014 02:45 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 02:43 Balla24 wrote:On February 05 2014 02:38 Alakaslam wrote:
pffft.
you all crappin on my styles
##unvote
##Vote: Oatsmaster
His flip may provide sufficient information in and of itself. If he is town, we take his posting to this point more seriously. Otherwise, oh happy day!
He is not particularly townie so there should be no problem with this. ??? Do you think this is IML or something? This vote is shit. You just said you don't try to read Oatsmaster yet now you are voting him literally minutes after you said that. For INFORMATION of all things. What happened to your vote on LoneMeow? You didn't justify that at all yet and now you are dropping it? Doesn't make sense. Don't worry so much. All will be clear in due time. Clarify "IML"
Instant Majority Lynch (IML)
No, not all will be clear in due time. Explain yourself.
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