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On February 13 2014 07:30 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 07:18 roundabound wrote:
Okay so IAmRobik given you were so hard on going after lurkers early on in the game how come you don't question Mattchew & QuantumPope now? One of them has unanswered questions and instead of answering them he jsut posted some crap and QP made a shitty couple of posts (yes, i totally disagree with them being "townie because no fucks given") and peaced out. There is also Grackaroni who hasn't said much anything of value.
Why single out thrawn of those people and now that your (apparently?) pressure on him has been answered satisfactory why are you not following with your eagerness to read people and your own scumhunting methods you started the game with? Like you called out people lurking or scared to post 1h into the game, what about those people now?
~rayn 1) I'm not comfortable analyzing QuantumPope at this moment, but I will agree that he's town. 2) Mattchew's comment about no fucks given was about Vivex, not about QuantumPope, and I don't remember if Mattchew answered that or not, but if not, I answered it for him. Either way, I have Mattchew as town for now. We'll see if he participates more or not. Given my experience with him, I would say Mattchew would be/will be more active if he is town and would/will take a more passive route as maf. I haven't really noticed Grackaroni, but would be more than happy to go back and read, what I assume, are 1-2 posts. Either way, thrawn's substance was far less than anyone else's at that point. I can't call out everyone for not participating. I singled out thrawn because his early participation sucked a big fatty. He was in the thread but not participating...just posting fluff. Since then, I feel like he has provided a lot more content and I've since changed my opinion of him. I will be reading other people. I am being active in this thread, but I'm also at work, so I'm not able to do everything all at once. Patience young Padawan...I will give reads on everyone at some point. Also, I wasn't 100% clear as to how this game worked and have since figured out that days aren't a set length as I'm used to, so apparently there's no pressure to hurry up on anything. I was just eager to start playing and assumed that people would share that eagerness/enthusiasm.
1) How can you say you have him as town if you are not comfortable analysing him atm? This is like giving a read that has no basis behind it. Do you think he is town or not and if you do why? If you don't why did you say so?
2) Same question.
What would have Mattchew and QP posted as mafia in your opinion at the start of the game? Why? Mattchew very well knows how games work here and and especially his posts i found really fishy. Unless there is something behind them i don't understand. But especially as i aksed about them from him and he refused to answer and instead posted some other shit that has no value i am inclined to think he has no good answers.
3) How is this post:
On February 13 2014 03:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
hmmm
more scummy than this:
On February 13 2014 03:37 Grackaroni wrote:
No worries there this forum loves spamming.
???
~rayn
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On February 13 2014 07:37 QuantumPope wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 07:18 roundabound wrote:
Okay so IAmRobik given you were so hard on going after lurkers early on in the game how come you don't question Mattchew & QuantumPope now? One of them has unanswered questions and instead of answering them he jsut posted some crap and QP made a shitty couple of posts (yes, i totally disagree with them being "townie because no fucks given") and peaced out. There is also Grackaroni who hasn't said much anything of value.
Why single out thrawn of those people and now that your (apparently?) pressure on him has been answered satisfactory why are you not following with your eagerness to read people and your own scumhunting methods you started the game with? Like you called out people lurking or scared to post 1h into the game, what about those people now?
~rayn I dislike the use of calling my posts shitty. I merely reacted when I was pinged. I am not defending Robik here in the slightest though and found it suspicious of how someone found me town based on my posts as they were pretty unsubstantial. If there are two people who I trust to read me correctly in this thread it's Mattchew and IAmRobik as they have had the most interaction with me outside of this forum but being able to read correctly can also lean mafia. I have null reads on both of them at the moment. As for scum we really have not found a bunch of information in my opinion as it's early on.
See here is why these posts are shitty.
You could just say "i agree with you", but instead you write ~100 words...
~rayn
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On February 13 2014 07:47 ShiaoPi wrote:
@rayn: how do you read kush/vivax right now?
There is something i need to ask them a bit later. Meta case on thrawn was shitty as hell.
On February 13 2014 07:49 QuantumPope wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 07:44 roundabound wrote:On February 13 2014 07:37 QuantumPope wrote:On February 13 2014 07:18 roundabound wrote:
Okay so IAmRobik given you were so hard on going after lurkers early on in the game how come you don't question Mattchew & QuantumPope now? One of them has unanswered questions and instead of answering them he jsut posted some crap and QP made a shitty couple of posts (yes, i totally disagree with them being "townie because no fucks given") and peaced out. There is also Grackaroni who hasn't said much anything of value.
Why single out thrawn of those people and now that your (apparently?) pressure on him has been answered satisfactory why are you not following with your eagerness to read people and your own scumhunting methods you started the game with? Like you called out people lurking or scared to post 1h into the game, what about those people now?
~rayn I dislike the use of calling my posts shitty. I merely reacted when I was pinged. I am not defending Robik here in the slightest though and found it suspicious of how someone found me town based on my posts as they were pretty unsubstantial. If there are two people who I trust to read me correctly in this thread it's Mattchew and IAmRobik as they have had the most interaction with me outside of this forum but being able to read correctly can also lean mafia. I have null reads on both of them at the moment. As for scum we really have not found a bunch of information in my opinion as it's early on. See here is why these posts are shitty. You could just say "i agree with you", but instead you write ~100 words... ~rayn Less words = more scummy k
No, too many words = looking like you are saying stuff when you actually aren't.
~rayn
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On February 13 2014 07:51 ShiaoPi wrote:
more like where is the content in all those words? Also mind answering my question?
But he did answer you.
Did you read the thread from the beginning? Why did you not say you have played with Mordanis multiple times? I asked about it.
~rayn
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It was a question that was masked to everyone but directed to you, why did you miss it?
~rayn
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Well that's the scummiest post in thread.
##Vote: IAmRobik
~rayn
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I think Mordanis has about the best posts in thread. Yes they are worded a bit awkwardly and idk what that means. He can answer for himself about that. The "brb gonna go write a wall of text case against everyone" is an obvious joke and everyone should be able to realise it..
The scummiest guy is the one who can't back up his reads and his thought process behind his reads.
~rayn
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If QP is a cop that was the stupidest play i have ever seen. He could have aswell claimed a cop..
~rayn
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On February 13 2014 08:13 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 08:10 roundabound wrote:
I think Mordanis has about the best posts in thread. Yes they are worded a bit awkwardly and idk what that means. He can answer for himself about that. The "brb gonna go write a wall of text case against everyone" is an obvious joke and everyone should be able to realise it..
The scummiest guy is the one who can't back up his reads and his thought process behind his reads.
~rayn The only read I didn't back up is the QP read. You're making shit up. I honestly think we're probably two towns fighting but whatever. I'm gonna say it now and I'll continue to say it. I think QP is town. I have my reason for thinking that. I don't know if it's right or not, but I think it. You don't have to believe me. You don't even ahve to listen to me. But I am opposed to lynching QP today.
You did not back up your Mattchew read. You could not tell how thrawn was more scummy than for example Grackaroni when you voted for him. You did push lurkers and "bad posting" in the beginning of the game and when your "case" (or whatever that was) on thrawn fell you didn't move on onto other people who had showed behaviour you found scummy at the start of the game. The logic you are saying you use is really fishy in the first place, and you are not even playing to that logic, you only used it on thrawn.
Basically nothing you say makes no sense because your actions do not match with you what you call your mindset is.
~rayn
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On February 13 2014 08:20 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 08:10 roundabound wrote:
I think Mordanis has about the best posts in thread. Yes they are worded a bit awkwardly and idk what that means. He can answer for himself about that. The "brb gonna go write a wall of text case against everyone" is an obvious joke and everyone should be able to realise it..
The scummiest guy is the one who can't back up his reads and his thought process behind his reads.
~rayn Each one of his posts is fabricated and convoluted. You're absolutely out of your mind if you think he's got the best posts in this thread.
The points he asks about are valid and certainly amongst the most interesting things in thread.
Let's talk about Mattchew:
This is what you say about him:
Mattchew would have fluffed it up hardcore and not given any town reads in my opinion if he was scum.
Here's what Mattchew has done in his last couple of scumgames at his first posts:
TL Mafia LVII;
+ Show Spoiler +On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
fakeclaimed.
I Cant Believe its not Themed Mini Mafia:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 12 2012 22:43 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 22:41 marvellosity wrote:
Matt, while you're here - what do you make of gonzaw? He seems to be making stuff out of nothing, but it could just be provoking conversation.
I guess normally at the start of day 1 he has setup shit to ramble on about, which he does not here. he is trying really really hard, and once again he is explaining his entire thought process. I dont think i have ever seen him as scum, but this is the exactly how he plays as town
First he talks about gonzaw and in his ~4th post is calling him town.
I also checked a couple of his towngames and he does not call anyone town (or scum for whatever reasons) early on. So he is perfectly capable of opening up a game like he did as mafia and your meta read is not accurate, because it does not really line up with any of his games, scum or town. If you want to argue about this bring some evidence from some other games and show people why your read on him is what it is.
Anyone can call anyone town because it's the easiest thing for mafia to do, especially if the other person is town because you know they are town so you are not lying and not "making stuff up". You have absolutely no reasons to call Mattchew (or anyone) town at this point of the game unless you bring up proper evidence to back your read up.
~rayn
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On February 13 2014 08:30 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 08:18 roundabound wrote:On February 13 2014 08:13 IAmRobik wrote:On February 13 2014 08:10 roundabound wrote:
I think Mordanis has about the best posts in thread. Yes they are worded a bit awkwardly and idk what that means. He can answer for himself about that. The "brb gonna go write a wall of text case against everyone" is an obvious joke and everyone should be able to realise it..
The scummiest guy is the one who can't back up his reads and his thought process behind his reads.
~rayn The only read I didn't back up is the QP read. You're making shit up. I honestly think we're probably two towns fighting but whatever. I'm gonna say it now and I'll continue to say it. I think QP is town. I have my reason for thinking that. I don't know if it's right or not, but I think it. You don't have to believe me. You don't even ahve to listen to me. But I am opposed to lynching QP today. You did not back up your Mattchew read. You could not tell how thrawn was more scummy than for example Grackaroni when you voted for him. You did push lurkers and "bad posting" in the beginning of the game and when your "case" (or whatever that was) on thrawn fell you didn't move on onto other people who had showed behaviour you found scummy at the start of the game. The logic you are saying you use is really fishy in the first place, and you are not even playing to that logic, you only used it on thrawn. Basically nothing you say makes no sense because your actions do not match with you what you call your mindset is.~rayn The bolded sentence at the ended looks like it's been edited 30 times. " nothing you say makes no sense" " with you what you call your" .... we called this SHROOP...scott howard's rule on odd posts. It's what mafia does when they are trying to make a case but have to rewrite what they are saying because they are trying to make up bad arguments
Fucking weak. Now you are just making shit up.
~rayn
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Yes it is , it's exactly what it is. All you did was to OMGUS me based on retarded reasoning. You called me town fucking 15 minutes ago. 
For the record video/voice mafia =/= forum mafia and making meta reads based on voice games is retarded.
For everyone else: Can anyone tell me what is Rob's reasoning for his reads? Can anyone tell me does it make any sense and why? Can anyone tell me what his explanation is for attacking thrawn and not someone else and if it makes sense? Can anyone tell me does what he says about his playstyle match up with his actions in this game, especially considering his attack on thrawn and what happened after that?
~rayn
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On February 13 2014 08:49 VIVAX420 wrote:Rayn, if you think Robik is scum bring forth a case, stuff like this Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 08:37 roundabound wrote:On February 13 2014 08:30 IAmRobik wrote:On February 13 2014 08:18 roundabound wrote:On February 13 2014 08:13 IAmRobik wrote:On February 13 2014 08:10 roundabound wrote:
I think Mordanis has about the best posts in thread. Yes they are worded a bit awkwardly and idk what that means. He can answer for himself about that. The "brb gonna go write a wall of text case against everyone" is an obvious joke and everyone should be able to realise it..
The scummiest guy is the one who can't back up his reads and his thought process behind his reads.
~rayn The only read I didn't back up is the QP read. You're making shit up. I honestly think we're probably two towns fighting but whatever. I'm gonna say it now and I'll continue to say it. I think QP is town. I have my reason for thinking that. I don't know if it's right or not, but I think it. You don't have to believe me. You don't even ahve to listen to me. But I am opposed to lynching QP today. You did not back up your Mattchew read. You could not tell how thrawn was more scummy than for example Grackaroni when you voted for him. You did push lurkers and "bad posting" in the beginning of the game and when your "case" (or whatever that was) on thrawn fell you didn't move on onto other people who had showed behaviour you found scummy at the start of the game. The logic you are saying you use is really fishy in the first place, and you are not even playing to that logic, you only used it on thrawn. Basically nothing you say makes no sense because your actions do not match with you what you call your mindset is.~rayn The bolded sentence at the ended looks like it's been edited 30 times. " nothing you say makes no sense" " with you what you call your" .... we called this SHROOP...scott howard's rule on odd posts. It's what mafia does when they are trying to make a case but have to rewrite what they are saying because they are trying to make up bad arguments Fucking weak. Now you are just making shit up. ~rayn is just provocatory and doesn't help anyone, even if Robik was scum. What are you trying to achieve by contrasting his opinion? You're arguing over mattchew's alignment, but you do it without a real point,I still don't know what you want, rayn. Find out if Robik is scum? Say i'm scummy? Say matt is scummy?
I already made a case. Are you not reading at all?
1) He can't back up his reads or is unwilling to explain them.
2) His actions do not make sense and they do not line up with his mindset.
~rayn
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Holy shit it's that forum, those people don't know how to play mafia so i retract from my scumread.
##unvote
To clarify, on 2+2 they have these stupid "cheat sheets" and shit that are like guides but they are really bad. All you need to do is to look happy and you need to be not afraid to say "good morning" or some shit and you are considered pretty much confirmed town. Whenever someone needs to say something that has actually do with a mafia game they claim scum if they are mafia (yes, it happened in the Champions game and i have played with a couple of those dudes later on, every time same thing). Basically they do not know how to analyze posts.
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EBWOP: In case it was not clear that was
~rayn
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On February 13 2014 09:16 Mordanis wrote:
so rayn, If you're not voting for anyone right now, what are your best scum reads?
I don't know. Nothing stands out too much besides Mattchew's unexplained shit.
~rayn
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Oh DoNotPanic!'s entrance was really weak.
~rayn
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On February 13 2014 09:33 VIVAX420 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 09:24 roundabound wrote:On February 13 2014 09:16 Mordanis wrote:
so rayn, If you're not voting for anyone right now, what are your best scum reads? I don't know. Nothing stands out too much besides Mattchew's unexplained shit.
~rayn Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 08:51 roundabound wrote:On February 13 2014 08:49 VIVAX420 wrote:Rayn, if you think Robik is scum bring forth a case, stuff like this On February 13 2014 08:37 roundabound wrote:On February 13 2014 08:30 IAmRobik wrote:On February 13 2014 08:18 roundabound wrote:On February 13 2014 08:13 IAmRobik wrote:On February 13 2014 08:10 roundabound wrote:
I think Mordanis has about the best posts in thread. Yes they are worded a bit awkwardly and idk what that means. He can answer for himself about that. The "brb gonna go write a wall of text case against everyone" is an obvious joke and everyone should be able to realise it..
The scummiest guy is the one who can't back up his reads and his thought process behind his reads.
~rayn The only read I didn't back up is the QP read. You're making shit up. I honestly think we're probably two towns fighting but whatever. I'm gonna say it now and I'll continue to say it. I think QP is town. I have my reason for thinking that. I don't know if it's right or not, but I think it. You don't have to believe me. You don't even ahve to listen to me. But I am opposed to lynching QP today. You did not back up your Mattchew read. You could not tell how thrawn was more scummy than for example Grackaroni when you voted for him. You did push lurkers and "bad posting" in the beginning of the game and when your "case" (or whatever that was) on thrawn fell you didn't move on onto other people who had showed behaviour you found scummy at the start of the game. The logic you are saying you use is really fishy in the first place, and you are not even playing to that logic, you only used it on thrawn. Basically nothing you say makes no sense because your actions do not match with you what you call your mindset is.~rayn The bolded sentence at the ended looks like it's been edited 30 times. " nothing you say makes no sense" " with you what you call your" .... we called this SHROOP...scott howard's rule on odd posts. It's what mafia does when they are trying to make a case but have to rewrite what they are saying because they are trying to make up bad arguments Fucking weak. Now you are just making shit up. ~rayn is just provocatory and doesn't help anyone, even if Robik was scum. What are you trying to achieve by contrasting his opinion? You're arguing over mattchew's alignment, but you do it without a real point,I still don't know what you want, rayn. Find out if Robik is scum? Say i'm scummy? Say matt is scummy? I already made a case. Are you not reading at all?
1) He can't back up his reads or is unwilling to explain them.
2) His actions do not make sense and they do not line up with his mindset.
~rayn Your own case doesn't stand out too much? ~V
What are you doing Vivax? I just explained why i retracted from my case. Those people do not have reasons for their reads. They make shitty tone reads all game. In Championship game i played in with yamato and VE i made a case on scum 12h into the game because his reads made no sense and they were like really shit. I pushed the case all game long. People never lynched him because "his tone is so townie" (he posted stuff that looked happy or some shit). He was "scum MVP" for like 40% of the players. ROFLLL!!
They don't know how to play mafia or what makes people scum or town. I can't tell if this Rob guy is scum or town because he plays with those people and apparently works like most of those people do.
~rayn
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On February 13 2014 09:46 IAmRobik wrote:
Hey Trump...Rayn just called you a fucking trashcan mafia player cause you play(ed) on 2p2. Just want you to know that in case you read this.
Not really, no. There were also good players there.
I am calling your reads bad because the reasoning behind them and your actions is terrible. That is a fact. But it does not make you mafia given that you have played in environment where there are people who play terribly.
God how you twist my words.
~rayn
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And for the record being new in somewhere should not make you any less valuable or less listened to. The game is the same and people who are capable of finding mafia are capable of finding mafia everywhere. That does not change and if someone looks someone else in a different light for some stupid reason like "i have never played with him so i don't trust his judgement as i trust others" that's already bad play.
Anyways this argument is really stupid.
~rayn
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