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On February 16 2014 16:08 Mocsta wrote: nah, my team is vivax420 and irobik giving up cos bum is stopping the mislynch on shiaopi need more Mattchew votes, gogogo I wasn't not going to lynch shiaopi until you said something. | ||
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Feel free to hammer raycsta | ||
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On February 16 2014 17:30 thrawn2112 wrote: someone who is under no suspicion asks to be lynched and you think it's a good idea to indulge them? really? Their is a big difference in asking to be lynched and claiming scum. I would consider asking to be lynched a null tell because it's TL mafia, but you can't say "I'm scum claiming" and not hinting at a joke whatsoever. Don't get me wrong, Rayn likes to be stupid to prove a point in dramatic ways, but I doubt they went over what mocsta just said as idle lynch bait. | ||
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On February 16 2014 13:14 roundabound wrote: I'm bored and over this game. Rayn hasnt been in the qt for over 24hrs, and the thread is going no where. I cant force people to post; yet now we are all trying to hold hands in a circle singing kum-bay-yah. I am scum claiming. Please lynch us. ~moc That's not a post you throw together as a joke. Especially if you leave the thread afterwards. You have a theory about lynch bait? You think Rayn is not Afk? | ||
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Is he waiting to post something game changing when he hits 6 votes? You think "we've figured out the scum team, and the only way to prove it is to get lynched right now!", which no one can be that sure, sounds like a reasonable thing to do? You think mocsta/Rayn have already dubbed the town as hopeless in a joint agreement, and have decided that they need to go against the entire spirit of the game to show us how dumb we are? Stop insulting yourself and us by thinking this is rational. This is condescending and revolting no matter what these two think they are doing. They are going to get lynched, but if at least one of them doesn't want to face TL mafia exile, which they very well might, they need to come back, apologize, and play the rest of the game out as best as they can. I'm not having this shit. | ||
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On February 16 2014 18:18 VIVAX420 wrote: what is scummy about pressuring people until they shit towniness? If you are trying to fit a meta and you end up doing more harm then good for your side? I thought what rayn and mocsta did pressure wise had fantastic results, but who is to say this strictly a town tell? You don't think a scum Rayn who isn't yelling questions at every little thing someone does to generate a response would be an obvious meta alarm? Their is such a thing as benefitting town too much as mafia. It's a null tell most of the time, but before the scum claim, I wasn't super concerned with what Round was, because the hydra had already done a lot for town. You have to lynch people that drag the town backwards early. That why policy lynches and mislynches happen early. There is too much WIFOM in going after people who are protown because it makes them look good. I'm saying that we can't cancel out a scum claim with protown prescence. It's a whole different scale. | ||
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On February 16 2014 18:21 thrawn2112 wrote: I translate this as ""blah blah i'm so mad at mocsta.... i'm beginning to think he's town but that makes me even more mad at him so i'm not going to worry about if he's scum and instead i'll mindlessly talk about policy lynching until he's lynched" is what he is doing banworthy? that is something that can be dealt with after the game. right now all you need to worry about is lynching mafia Don't be naive. I may be a bit heated, but you know I always project both sides, and come to a conclusion. The only reason I'm considering Round as town is because it's against his win condition from both alignments. I'm fairly certain he's going to flip scum, and he's going to need a ban. It's completely unfair to his scum team no matter who they are. | ||
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On February 16 2014 18:32 thrawn2112 wrote: so your case against them is 1 rayn fits his town meta exactly, therefor he is mafia 2 typing the words "I am scum claiming" is some magical spell that auto-confirms the poster as scum You are being extradonarily contrary for whatever reason, because you know them well. You are letting your bias cloud something very simple. 1) I'm saying Rayns meta should be a null tell, and it being naturally protown, he has to choose anti-meta or anti-town. I never say it's scummy, I'm merely stating that it should be null tell, not a town tell. I would never lynch a Rayn doing his usual thing because it helps town, as is evident in this very thread. I'm also going to give him the credit that he would be able to do it as mafia if it was in is best interest. I don't think if be able to tell, and in both cases, he should he will survive longer as long as he never over extends imitating his own play. I think that's something reasonable he would agree with. 2) Yes! You can't say that. It's completely unnecessary as town unless it's obviously implied. I'm usually good on picking up on these things, and this appears completely serious to me. How many times have you had to tell a newer player about a joking interaction? You don't think with the varied player base here mocsta wouldn't make it abundantly clear that he was joking? And pray tell, what alterior motive would justify this? I need to sleep, and I'm not taking my vote off. | ||
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On February 16 2014 18:47 roundabound wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Bumatlarge It worked. Dem sharks always like to hover around the fresh smell of green blood. sigh, too easy Bum. Completely fallacious arguments you are marking.  Don't do this. | ||
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We are lynching ShiaoPi. While I think Round is scum, because there is no town logic whatsoever behind his posting, I could be wrong and this might be how that entity thinks they can scumhunt. I have no intention of dropping them from my scumlist anytime soon because it in no way helps us.Though, what mocsta did was such a vomit-inducing attempt to be clever that he clearly did it idly without thinking it through. I guess that is slightly feasible to justify doing from a town perspective. YOU KNOW WHAT THAT LAST STATEMENT DOESN'T MEAN? THAT I THINK I'M GIVING HIM A TOWN READ. Yes thrawn, I used "is" and "town" in the same sentence, but thats looking at angles, not a read. GET THAT STRAIGHT YOU ILLITERATE BUFFOON. I'm stating there is a chance, so he is not the auto lynch. I was wrong in pushing that sentiment. ShiaoPi is the lynch that would do us the most good. My mouth started watering when I read the bolded part. Sure you can grind it out to WIFOM, but I love how tangible Roundabound made it with this post. On February 16 2014 16:08 Mocsta wrote: nah, my team is vivax420 and irobik giving up cos bum is stopping the mislynch on shiaopi need more Mattchew votes, gogogo I'm not going to pretend to know what this whole post implies, but it's purposefully confusing and it's bad, but not completely uninformative. We were clearly on the road to lynching ShiaoPi. It wasn't until Moc's post that we got off of him. The timing is interesting. Moc accomplished nothing with his claim/un-claim of scum. Everyone knew it wouldn't. I don't think I need to detail that there is very little difference in town voting proclaimed scum and mafia voting proclaimed scum. His arguments against me voting him immediately fall short because my accusations towards him are perfectly acceptable as both alignments. You play against your win-con, I am going to lynch you. It's generically going to be the response that 90% of players give. Trolling indicates that you are trying to trip up someone's thought process, and if you do that intentionally in public, you are encouraging chaotic behavior which is awfully antie-town. There was no fruitful read that came of Moc's claim. Not Gumshoe, not Mattchew, not me. No one. But maybe ShiaoPi. + Show Spoiler + On February 16 2014 23:11 roundabound wrote: if the cases are bad, why is it beyond a newb scum? You lump and categorise players too hard. Mordanis has a small filter: read 1 page. Lets do a post by post: NOT SPOILERED for your Benefit  Red: Noob Card with insult to town thrown in for good measure -> (/sarcasm) cos thats how town likes to correct actions they do not like Blue: First promise of "mega contribution" No conclusion fluff Theory ramble. Null Second promise of "mega contribution" Red: He is a self-proclaimed "novella-case" maker, yet is only producing glimmers of thoughts with no concrete substance. Bold Red: If this is a proven scum mindset, where is the vote? Ironic fluff; considering he has scum reads with no vote... Offers insight on post phrasing for something insignificant; yet, can't reach vote-worthy conclusions on his own reads. Red: Apparently now isn't chasing Robik; but doesnt clear him as town either..... Blue: Not rushed to get a lynch, because waiting for others to do things- -- yet wont produce the mega contributions promised either. Another excuse to not fulfil his own promise Red:The case on Vivax is time-stamp conjecture summarised by cherrypicking "STUFF" that isnt even fleshed out for us simpletons Blue: 3rd promise of more contribution An acceptable point of view. And a solid reason to be unsure of Mordanis alignment. Henceforth I treat this post as null until more flips are given. Why? Scum know who town is. Say Thrawn is town; its an entirely plausible contribution for scum to make (Against a weak/incorrect Vivax case). This is independant of Vivax alignment. Why does this still matter. The game has progressed further; Vivax and his hydra buddy have made more content than pertains to just thrawn; yet mordanis is fixated here talking abotu absolutely nothing else YET NOT PROBING THEM TO ELUCIDATE MORE INFORMATION. Vivax, mordanis is scum QED Please lynch, me falling asleep here. After throwing red reads around on everyone involved, he goes after a single person that was not involved in the entire incident. The case on Mordanis is weak. It's day one and he is being quoted on promising content and lack of a vote. That's it. It isn't good, but it is far from lynch material when there are worse individuals here. Now sidesprang, who I admit is not on my townlist is being pushed. The fact that Round strictly used SS's posts about his claim to procure a reason to vote is mindboggling. It's clearly a null-tell when someone votes for someone who claims scum and asks to be lynched. On February 17 2014 00:49 roundabound wrote: sideprang: Hops on to the claim immediately for policy reasons. But see especially the red part. When the lynch does not gain momentum see what he does. He drops out his scumread/policy (which is weak in the first place) and suddenly wants to lynch someone else. Now this makes no sense, if he feels like we are mafia so strong, why not push the lynch then? He's trying to find a lynch, not mafia. ##unvote ##Vote: sidesprang What a miserable excuse of a vote. I can't believe this hydra has any intention of helping town for the remainder of the game. I'd be more then happy to eat my words and wear the dunce cap if Round can provide a better case and organize town instead of calling it boring because of the nature of IML. We are lynching the person who was stuffed under the Moc claim and forgotten about vote-wise. His name is still getting mentioned but there is no weight put into it at all. ShiaoPi flipping scum will confirm alot for me. And I don't think you people will lynch the hydra as long as you are afraid of getting called names by it. ##unvote ##Vote ShiaoPi | ||
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Why don't you go ahead and put your vote on ShiaoPi. You aren't allowed to put it anywhere else. | ||
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On February 19 2014 07:07 Mordanis wrote: More on DNP/bum Both were primarily focused on Shiao, and aside from that tidbit I'd say DNP is null/town read bum, however, is very scummy. Aside from the post I talked about earlier, he's mostly just given fairly bland policy. E.G + Show Spoiler + On February 15 2014 05:12 bumatlarge wrote: Hi Gonna read the thread but two things 1) being apathetic to who are the hydras helps to read them. I've played with and against hydras, and it's a lot harder for them as scum then as town. Town hydras tend to not focus on interactions and have a more aloof sense of the game. Good scum hydras attempt to do the same, but where it gets funny is when they need to defend themselves. Then they let you know who's doing the talking lol 2) if a blue role needs to claim, just say blue, especially I you are boxer. This happened last game with a few people claiming boxers when I was a cop, and it kinda narrowed how open my claim would be. I would just keep quiet and do the setup math in your head until later. On February 15 2014 15:53 bumatlarge wrote: How are you both so certain this early into the game that mafia don't have a "good player" on their team. Give me a single good reason why going slow isn't better. Yall ignorant. Don't defend an awful line. On February 15 2014 16:49 bumatlarge wrote: I don't see the cons, but talking about feels like a waste. I don't like IML as town. As mafia it's great! On February 16 2014 02:35 bumatlarge wrote: That said, I'm still on the go slow plan. Gumshoe/replace isn't here, and until then we can afford to wait. On February 16 2014 09:21 bumatlarge wrote: I'm cautious about how many people are jumping on Shiao. Even if I think he's the scummiest I've come across in the thread, the reasons aren't all that strong. Sure he has little content and doesn't seem to be improving them, but day 1 townies do this. Mattchew, I think this is what you usually do, but can you give a little more detail to who you are accusing? I wouldn't insult the game of mafia by calling them reads. You seem "ok with lynching X" about all of the time. The only thing I've liked about what you said so far is about sidespring. Do you have more on every other player in the game you've mentioned? On February 16 2014 09:32 bumatlarge wrote: I hope you know this post is why people are voting you. Put it this way, you are making it really easy for mafia to vote you, and town won't be able to tell. QuantomPope seems to be fitting his meta that he had in the LSB Restart game, which lead him to be shot by a vig. He was a boon to my mafia team, and gave us a strong edge just because of how much a single misread town player trips up town from figuring the game out. You can't really accuse people for calling out bad play as town, so it keeps the game from developing which is ideal for mafia. You are currently in that boat. It is very easy to avoid getting lynched day 1 as long as you remain active and open. Look at Robot, I'm not a big fan of how he is approaching the game, but I would be surprised if he flips scum this game. It seems like you have a stronger read on Vivax then you do QuantomPope. Can you respond to what he has said. I would appreciate if you two(three?) would hash out what you think of each other. I'm in the same boat with your scum list, but because you don't go into much detail, I can't benefit from what you think! Lazy people get lynched dude I know this first-hand.*Editor's interpretation: Hey, I think you seem like town, but you are an easy candidate for lynch, so we are going to lynch you In general, bum has come into the thread after ~3 days and completely failed to bring a fresh perspective. He has also done essentially no scumhunting aside from going after Round for claiming scum. He voted Shiao early, and then seemed to talk to Shiao as town, without any effort to find any scum. ## vote bumatlarge Let's chat mord. I probably did get too hung up on Round, but I did everything I could to get a better understanding of ShiaoPi's play this game. No one questioned his views from a town standpoint, and i think you can see why I was trying to stall the lynch on him by the other post you call me scummy for. Nothing I did indicated I knew anything about ShiaoPi's alignment, and I have him every opportunity to explain himself. I'll take the blame for lynching a townie, but what ou are looking for in my posts require assumptions about my alignment. Look at my reasoning from a town viewpoint, and I can guarentee it makes sense. I'll answer anything I missed if you want. I'm going to try to figure out Matthew, but it may take me some time to do him justice. I suggest going slow again this cycle. | ||
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On February 19 2014 07:32 VIVAX420 wrote: I don't get how you can call a guy the scummiest and then not mention a single reason for it, instead doing the opposite. Bum, can you clarify? I always do this and it always baffles people. Don't you think it helps to try to understand what people do from the opposite of what you read them as? I already gave pretty generic reasons for why I was voting him. I probably wouldn't have lynches him if he responded to my questions towards him. Instead he did nothing. He dug his own grave | ||
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