EPT##Vote: theDragoon
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
On February 27 2014 11:38 theDragoon wrote: @Amiko I want to ask you, do you think Val's justification to vote for me is solid? Would it be something you agree with? That's pretty much the only reason he's voted for me, if he really thought I was mafia I'm sure there would be a lot more evidence that proves it. Yes and no. I mean, I don't feel that the last post from him put any sort of strong case on you. To me your conclusion that he was town was totally legit, it's one I reached myself. I don't find the timing to be that persuasive. The thing is, I do feel like your weird play in the last day (your bait with explanation, or late explanation for something that is different than your prior explanation, your non responsiveness to defenses yet asking me to defend, your summary vote post) felt like weird plays. I keep using the word weird because it's like, if you are lying about the bait, why would you? If you did miss my responses, why would you? Maybe I should see that as weighing for you as town. In other words, by that logic I raised a second case on you that I do not feel is strong, so Valenius shouldn't have switched his vote (because my case was not compelling enough). I think this is actually the best post you made tonight and if anything is going to convince me it's probably that. I'm going to reread my case on you and decide how I feel on it. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
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theDragoon
Canada307 Posts
In other words, I can see Valenius making the vote swap play to win me over. But, I don't think he could have reliably expected to be able to make that play because it needed you to make a post that was weird/scummy enough to justify him changing his vote and me seeing you as scum. That's the thing though, his reason to vote for me wasn't even a new post. It was a post I made on day 2. If you're really 100% certain for voting for me then all I have to say is gg. We fucking lost. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
On February 27 2014 06:10 Amiko wrote: Valenius, theDragoon's vote should be really convincing to you that he is mafia over me. Although you felt more scummy, I have to conclude he is mafia based on that post and I will not bother trying to convince him at this point. I really wish I had not said this. On the one hand as a town in LYLO the only way I can win is to convince the town voting on me not to. I did accomplish this (because you have moved your votes to each other). But, I indicated strongly to Valenius that I would vote for theDragoon so it makes it very tempting to swap onto me. I guess from that I have to conclude that I can't really consider Valenius' swap onto me as indicative of towniness, even if it had a town result. Time is about up. I am certainly not sure about the vote, it'd be nice to end the day strong but I'm not there. gg either way and well played to both sides | ||
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theDragoon
Canada307 Posts
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
theDragoon (2): Valenius, Amiko Valenius (1): theDragoon theDragoon has been lynched. Endgame post incoming. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
![[image loading]](http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2013/03/tumblr_mk586qj4JW1qbdof5o3_500.gif) Endgame theDragoon the mafia goon has been lynched. Town Wins! Setup: + Show Spoiler + theDragoon Mafia Goon N1k0 Mafia Goon OnceKing Town Medic (Protected Amiko n1, Lord Tolkien n2) Lord Tolkien Vanilla Town Valenius Vanilla Town Beneather Vanilla Town IAmRobik Vanilla Town Cavalinho Vanilla Town Amiko Vanilla Town Mafia QT Obs QT Thanks for playing all! A special thanks to the coaches marvellosity, iamperfection, Balla24, raynpelikoneet and to the cohosts Promethelax and suki! You may choose to post your coaching QT if you wish. A few of these individuals have agreed to post their thoughts so be sure to stick around for postgame. The next newbie should open for signups within the next week for those that are interested. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
Good job my beautiful LYLO heroes. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
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theDragoon
Canada307 Posts
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OnceKing
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
marvellosity 02-18-2014 10:49 AM ET (US) I wouldn't worry too much about implicating yourself upon someone's death. People don't actually tend to read that much into it and you can always dismiss it as wifom. If Robik is suspicious of you a lot AND you think he might be blue, he seems like a great choice for a shot. At the day 2 start: raynpelikoneet 02-19-2014 10:47 AM ET (US) Remember that mafia kills people usually for two reasons: 1) People who are strong analysts or on the right track 2) people they think are blue raynpelikoneet 02-19-2014 10:27 PM ET (US) I am not saying anything you must absolutely do. I am just saying if you want to analyze the situation fully remember that mafia has ALWAYS a reason why they kill people they do. Now the reason can be whatever, but it's still there, noone just randomizes the night kills. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/N2cxFAYK3hr Some minor notes on my play and thoughts- > I breadcrumbed being vanilla town in my first post. As Balla pointed out, this serves no purpose, but I felt clever at the time. lol. > I felt posting this in the forum would be a mistake, but one reason I hesitated on n1k0 is that if I was mafia and saw one player call another player an asshole, I would go out of my way to keep those players in the game together so they could hurt the town atmosphere. So, I thought mafia would be less likely to vote Cavalinho > I don't know if my vote analysis n1 was wrong or people just played weird. If that was wrong I would appreciate knowing it > I am pleased with my play to the extent that I got a lynch off of me day 1 + 4. I don't think I my reads or leadership were that great, even if I did end up on the right person two times out of four. > I think theDragoon played pretty consistently well throughout the game and would have probably won if his post voting me were done after Valenius went to sleep or with more backing. I don't think it was a terrible post, but I was so desperate that it was the only thing I could use and I just tried to get as much mileage out of it as possible. This was my first forum game and a mixed experience for me. I was hoping that with 24 hours between posts, the game would provide more numerical analysis of votes, posts, phrasing, etc. But even with time I feel I often didn't post things quite how I intended, and there was very little analysis of that sort. The constraints of forum mafia really came across in the last day... the brief period where all three living players were on at the same time was invaluable to me in moving away from my prior scumread on Valenius and convincing him I was town. I really feel that if our times hadn't lined up just so it'd probably be over. I'll welcome any postgame comments from anyone on my play, I felt like I learned a lot through playing. Thanks again to all the hosts and coaches. (I edited this post cause the game is over) | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On February 27 2014 12:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ahahaha At the day 2 start: for what it's worth all those statements are true, even together | ||
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theDragoon
Canada307 Posts
 I think I'll spectate next game | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
On February 18 2014 00:26 IAmRobik wrote: Pages 4 and 5: This post is super scummy: This post is super towny, which is why I rescinded and said that he's town: Whereas some people find this post by Amiko to be scummy, I think the opposite. I like this post a lot: Up to this point, there's no scummier post than this one: On February 16 2014 16:06 theDragoon wrote: Nice, we finally got this started, all that early voting made me lol a bit. Gonna hit the sack soon, see ya'll tomorrow I don't know what this says about OnceKing's alignment, but the fact that he jumps on Amiko's post is pretty meh in my opinion. Amiko makes, what I consider to be, a good post and onceking focuses on the fact that it's long and has no content? Besides length, none of the posts really have content up to this point...I will say though that I like the fact that Onceking actually provided some conent here. Probably more towny, but still don't like this post overall: Not gonna quote the end of the page, but Cavalinho is securing himself as my top town read based off of how freely he is speaking with regard to the Amiko situation and how openly he is aligning himself with OnceKing. This doesn't mean that I think OnceKing is town, but I don't think that Cavalinho's logic would be so easy to follow if he was mafia. Should have stuck with this read | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
Agreed. I would have early pressured based on that post alone, but NOT valenius's that you quoted in there as well. | ||
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I'm heading to bed now, UK Time (03:00), see you all in a bit!
