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very very dissappointed | ||
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edit - i am just messing around in case it didnt come across that way | ||
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On January 20 2014 09:15 kushm4sta wrote: how about we be realistic about the uncertainty inherent in this game, put our egos aside, and go with the most protown course of action? | ||
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I need to see him do stuff other than talk about setup because I just realized my kush-instincts don't really apply to anything he's posted. | ||
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for not reading, for continually asking questions with answers that can be easily figured out, and for using scum mindset to form opinion on boxer claim | ||
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Now that I know what a boxer is I see no reason for them to claim- AT ALL- until they are up for lynch. WIFOM the scumteam for its night kills. Think like you rolled scum this game, who do you night kill and why? Who do you mislynch? Now make your mislynch choice a boxer. How do you feel? ------ No. I don't care if a half chance is better than 30 % not giving scum that kind of info. If boxers save their claims, they still don't get lynched and bam! Your likelihoods return. He starts off explaining his opinion by saying "Think like you rolled scum." He's already responded to this post and the asnwer was kinda a "believe me or not" type of answer but i do th ink it's odd that he reached his conclusion by "pretending he rolled scum." | ||
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On January 20 2014 15:00 zarepath wrote: I don't understand why scum would claim Boxer right now, unless I guess they're actually trying to head off legitimate boxer claims, but I don't see much value in that compared to the risk. Definitely anti-town for a town to do it, but I can't imagine scum being happy with a fake boxer claim this early. You're saying this in reference to Wile, I'm assuming, so I think that means you think he's town? Do you have any comments on VE's vote? | ||
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There's been a few different reactions to your play, do any of them strike you as interesting or alignment indicative? | ||
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BarristanTheBold damn if i knew you were here I'd have smurfed as stannis | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + 1) Look at the player list and think about each player listed, then open the following spoiler. + Show Spoiler + 2) What were you thinking about while looking at the list? Did any particular names cause stronger reactions than others? Any thoughts on how the game may turn out from your perspective? | ||
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On January 20 2014 22:32 kushm4sta wrote: I'm pretty sure I can tone read thrawn. more inquisitive, less formal as town On January 11 2014 19:57 kushm4sta wrote: thrawn confirmed town - inquisitive nature ------- On January 20 2014 23:03 kushm4sta wrote: godamn it is turning me on how you keep calling me kish. btw you are so town that if i was physically attracted to towniness I would want to fuck your brains out right now. -------- On January 20 2014 23:56 kushm4sta wrote: The ve read is not based on tone. Ve has a too dumb to be scum thing going on right now. i think your slam vote was too dumb to be scum townread tooscummytobescum Original Message From thrawn2112: you reading mocsta as town/scum/trolling? 2 games, the PM game and this one. That's what all these quotes are from.. the top quote from each set is from PM game, bottom quote of each set is from this game. Note the similarities. Some of this may seem trivial but I am very very confident in my ability to read kush so I assure you it isn't. In the first set of quotes his read on me has the exact same reasoning as his read on me from the PM game. I also wanna point out how he's avoiding me this game. He made that one snide remark at the start but that was not addressed to me. He's avoiding me becasue he knows I can catch him. In the PM game he sent me that "want to fuck your brains out" and I do not think that is something that town kush would ever say, nor would he say what he said to VE here. It's "too beneath him" or "homo" or "circle-jerkish" or something, idk, but the point is that town kush doesn't normally talk like that. The only difference between kush's play here and his scum play is that he's acting slightly less confident about his reads, but he knows that that is something I look for. As scum he town hunts. As town, it's easy for me to tell when he is legitimately scumhunting and I have't seen one post that feels like real kush scumhunting. | ||
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On January 21 2014 02:03 JonnyLaw wrote: kush filter lol pyp I ghuess he was town there? I open it and can immediately see his scumhunting thought process which is something I have yet to see here. | ||
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looks like VE from what I recall | ||
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On January 21 2014 03:33 kushm4sta wrote: you shouldn't even worry about my alignment, just like I won't worry about rayn's fail wagon on me. I will be pretty solidly town by EoD. Hi kush. Who do you think is scum and why? (yes I know I can open your filter but I don't want to, i want to have a new convo) | ||
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On January 21 2014 03:59 suki wrote: Tell me, why did you feel the need to clarify that you felt all those people were town? giving town reads is easier as scum so he gives town reads he has admitted it before | ||
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does thou have naught to say about the rest of the field? | ||
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he knows I can read him so why wouldn't he be talking to me if he thought I would town read him? because he is mafia | ||
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lol you know bum's alignment isn't going to change my opinion of you at all. i don't even know why you'd think that'd be the case | ||
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bum flips red >>> I'm supposed to no longer be suspicious of kush and the implied follow up to that is: bum flips green >>> my suspicions of kush are now justified Rayn or anyone that plays with kush, do you really think town kush is this confident about his scum reads? You think he's so confident about his bum read that he's implying to me, the person who has been after him all game, that if his scumread flips green then my suspicions are forgivable? How can kush possibly be so sure about bum? (hint: kush does love to bus but we will save that for later) This is one of the easiest ways to read him imo, by how confident he sounds when explaining his reads and ideas. It's not just because he knows alignments althought that's often part of it, it's just part of his meta. Bum doesn't have to be scum for kush to be, because the point is that town_kush_is_not_confident_enough_to _make_ these_kinds_of_posts.... especially in this situation, where I am already out for hsi head. | ||
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On January 21 2014 10:55 kushm4sta wrote: @thrawn do you think it's a fair assessment to say that you aren't really trying this game? why is that your assumption I mean I know that that's a likely town explantion for how tunneled I've been, but why are you assuming that option? Why aren't you suspicious that I've done almost nothing all game except try to get you lynched. But yes I will admit I haven't put much effort into this so far. I guess you're trying to discredit me without having to attack my points or call me mafia? | ||
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On January 20 2014 23:05 kushm4sta wrote: well i think bum is leaning town. rayn's primary point about inconsistencies was false. On January 20 2014 23:13 kushm4sta wrote: k ill explain my weak townread of bum. It all comes from reading rayn's case. Bum is trying to figure out VE's alignment. He is questioning the same things about VE's play that I am. So it looks like natural townie suspicion to me. So you're telling me that that one "slip" is enough to make you go from town (weak town, but town however weak) to being super confident that he's mafia? Do you have any other reasons for calling him mafia? this is what i referred to earlier... there is no transparent scumhunting thought process. just reads that show up for no reason and no hint that he's suspicious of anything | ||
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On January 21 2014 11:15 kushm4sta wrote: my early reads were weak as fuck. deal with it. I mean who gives a fuck if he jumped on something I also noticed. It was obviously something retarded that everyone noticed and it was very easy to jump on. I see absolutely nothing in his filter that looks town to me. I see a scumslip. That way way outweighs my early shit read. What I'm getting from this is that you can't answer this question? "Do you have any other reasons for calling him mafia?" Saying "I see absolutely nothing in his filter that looks town to me" + "scumslip" = "my earlier opinion is irrelevant" is a way of avoiding what I asked you. "it was very easy to jump on" scumslips, hmmm? | ||
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On January 21 2014 11:23 kushm4sta wrote: Hold up. "very easy to jump on" was referring to VE calling wiley scum for claiming, which bum jumped on. yes I think that was very easy to jump on. Why is that a scumslip? and Yes only those two things made me change my read so dramatically. That is the answer to your question I think. Yeah i misread that. But you still can't tell me why bum is mafia besides saying "SCUMSLIP!" | ||
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On January 21 2014 11:27 kushm4sta wrote: nothing town in his filter is a reason. I could probably find more stuff if i looked. Plus I do think VE was right. His cases aren't good. I mean it's more than that they aren't good, they aren't realistic. OK so you haven't looked. That is interesting. This guy you're so sure about, you aren't familiar enough with his filter to be able to provide me with evidence for your read on the spot. Even though you just said there is nothing townie in his filter. So you must have looked fairly recently? Surely even if you're town and right about bum, or wrong but tunneled on bum you would be able to look at his filter and provide some reasoning. Kush is mafia, I think I've clearly demonstrated it. He has no reasoning for anything he posts and can't scumhunt to save his life | ||
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rayn is that a "haha kush is town" sort of laugh? or what | ||
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On January 21 2014 11:33 kushm4sta wrote: dw more is coming about other people, probably tonight that will be helpful. but nothing could possibly be more helpful than you trying to convince me about bum | ||
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Kush doesn't have thoughts about the game. He's not scumhunting. He doesn't appear suspicious of the rest of other players. He started out by giving town reads with no justifications. He can't justify his scumread beyond repeating "scumslip" over and over. Every response he's made to me has been some shitty excuse for why he doesn't actually need to read his top scumread's filter and have a conversation with me about it. He can't scumhunt! He is mafia. | ||
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he has a weak town read on bum.... reads the "scumslip" and then he thinkgs "bum is so scummy because of this scumslip that it's going to be the only thing i tell the thread to convince them to lynch my scum read. i am super confident etc etc etc" so if kush is town then at this point he'd be confirmation biased, bum's alignment notwithstanding. so how can a confirmation biased townie say the bolded? On January 21 2014 11:40 kushm4sta wrote: bum doens't have that much content! i mean there really isn't that much you can say thrawn. a lot of not alignment indicative comments. A shitty case on ve. and a scumslip. how can a confirmation biased townie only be able to come up with one point against his scumread, especially it with it being a point as debatable as the scumslip? | ||
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 but surely you have an opinion one way or the other? | ||
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why so sheepy? I know you don't think i'm better than you | ||
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On January 21 2014 12:21 kushm4sta wrote: sheeping is not really how rayn plays scum he sheeped me the entire last phase of WC2 and let me lead town to it's death | ||
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goddammit. i'm gonna mulligan all my thoughts on this game and reread, i've been so sure about kush that I haven't been paying enough attention | ||
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crossfire your kush read is nothing but meta. a bigass post with nothing but meta and no conclusion. why on earth did you post that? | ||
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On January 22 2014 02:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: thrawn; zarepath, Crossfire, Artanis, Balla??? or do you want to lynch bum? go! i've only caught up with the thread, no rereading so take that into account off the top of my head lynch == balla << maybe artanis not familiar enough with bum to make that call yet | ||
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There are two main reasons I think he's mafia. He hasn't made an attempt to help find scum and he's not displaying the classic alakaslam townie paranoia. None of his scumhunting contributions are actually contributions. They're a combination of one liners and half-accusations. He made a big entrance to the thread and lots of people talked about him and/or called him mafia, but when asked for his conclusions about people who commented on him he could only come up with: + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2014 17:45 Wile E. Coyote wrote: Who is Rayn talking to here? I had made like one post at this point On January 20 2014 17:49 Wile E. Coyote wrote: Yeah heck if I know Here's an exchange we had: On January 21 2014 01:31 Wile E. Coyote wrote: VE Rayn and Artanis would likely try & lead town. I think. That hasn't been happening as far as I see it. This point relates to my meta (it is scummy on its own, but applies especially to alakaslam) claim about alakaslam. In every town alakaslam game I've seen he becomes paranoid of others players to the point that it strongly influences what he is willing to post in thread. If he knows a certain player has good scum play, he is extra paranoid about them and will start spamming 'svengali' into the thread until he becomes nearly incoherent. That's why I asked him to look at the player list, I wanted to see if I could get this kind of reaction.... I didn't. Not only does he not give me the answer I expect from town Alakaslam, he says that X X and X will probably lead town, but aren't "as far as (I) see it," which he doesn't follow up on. I still have no idea if that statement about those players actually influenced his reads or not. Here's a vote: On January 21 2014 01:42 Wile E. Coyote wrote: When Rayn is town this is the response to ##Vote: Kushm4sta for. Doesn't make any sense. There is no implied reasoning in that post to suggest that kush should be lynched. It's merely a way for alak to buddy rayn and vote kush for no reason. Everything after that is completely useless and doesn't look like it came from a person who is trying to find mafia. | ||
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Thrawn, your case is partially built on Kush not being scum. Has your read on him changed? [QUOTE]On January 22 2014 05:03 suki wrote:[/QUOTE] It (my case) doesn't have to be, but yes. | ||
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On January 22 2014 05:18 Balla24 wrote: @thrawn: I don't really have any experience with Slam at all. So let me ask you this: You seemed to not consider the fact that he is claimed BoxeR. Does that fact change anything with how he might play. To me he seemed to get much less serious after he claimed BoxeR. Similar to when people become confirmed town they start sucking and not caring as much. Do you see Slam doing that here? Sure, he seemed less serious, but it's not as if he was trying to help find scum before his claim. He hasn't tried to find scum all game long. And if he's mafia fakeclaiming, would that not also give him a reason to feel safe? Also I'm a little suspicious of the name he claimed becuase if alakaslam were to chose his own flavor name that's exactly the name he'd pick. | ||
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On January 22 2014 05:33 JonnyLaw wrote: Thrawn who do you want to see lynched right now? Suki you haven't voted either. You don't like the zarepath lynch. Are you favoring lynching bum or some third party you haven't mentioned? No idea at this point. At the very least you can take the fact that I'm not voting certain people as indicative of something. | ||
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On January 22 2014 05:37 zarepath wrote: At this point I would be happy for a lynch of Wiley, Crossfire, or bum. I don't know why scum would fake blue-claim like that, except that it apparently gave Wiley a free ride to not do anything else at all day 1. And I don't know why any of those three have failed to do anything at all today leading up to the lynch. yeah this is very much where I'm at right now | ||
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know if anyone else is scum? | ||
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On January 21 2014 07:52 JonnyLaw wrote: ##unvote ##vote kushmasta I think kush is scum. I think balla is scum. I think kush put a bus vote on balla and got an easy out when I said something. No one else will vote balla. Lynch kush. and do you not believe this? On January 22 2014 06:37 JonnyLaw wrote: I considered not commenting on this issue at all because someone's going to use it as an excuse to call me scum later. Fuck that. If I'm scum there zero motivation for me to say a god damned word right now. I'm actually fairly pissed. I'm taking a break this is utter trash. | ||
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On January 22 2014 06:42 JonnyLaw wrote: Yeah, in lolpyp we got fake claims as scum. That's why I've assumed claiming meant nothing all game. But here it seems different. shows he is trying to decide if he believes the claim | ||
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On January 23 2014 15:51 BarristanTheBold wrote: So, why'd you vote balla yesterday? You never mentioned him at all until you voted him, and then you were all of a sudden trying to convince everyone that he was scum. What made you so sure? Rayn asked me this whwen I enetered the thread several hours before the lynch.. note that at the time my reads were nearly a blank slate so this was just off the top of my head: On January 22 2014 02:46 thrawn2112 wrote: i've only caught up with the thread, no rereading so take that into account off the top of my head lynch == balla << maybe artanis not familiar enough with bum to make that call yet so this was mostly a gut read but I think it put balla in my head when it came time for the lynch. Apart from that there weren't really any good reasons I had for voting balla except that I could find absolutely nothing in his filter that gaveme a town read sooo... part sheeping rayn part trying to spare kush part unexplained read The unexplained read part is...uh... not sometning I can explain. Sometimes lynches just happen like that, where many people go up for lynch and town just happens to guess correctly. Like you try a bit of each dish and then go with the one you liked best.. or in this game's case for me you go with the one you have the least issues with. For the balla lynch that would be no issues at all. You know how I have been playing this game? I skip half the posts and wait for my townreads to summarize arguments that I can't motivate myself to read. When it came time to decide to lynch kush/balla the only thing I c ould remember about balla is that he made his case vs crossfire working with the assumption that rayn's town. The entire case was a town read on rayn disguised as a case on crossfire. So I remembered that.. and couldn't find anything in his filter that struck me as town so he died. any other reasons i may have had, I can't remember | ||
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also he was the person who wanted to kill zare out of fairness right? i can't shake how obvuiously scummy that is, i dont think scum would try to get zre killed tht way that if they thought a townie broke rules and dwserved to die... maybe just be silent and vent through PMs or scum chat? | ||
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On January 23 2014 04:04 bumatlarge wrote: WileSlam I had a stupid reason, but he actually claimed green, which debunks it | ||
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i guess i will go read suki. i read her as town for something that happened during the vote switching but that's all there is to my read | ||
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On January 24 2014 12:01 bumatlarge wrote: His claim? Usually mafia is given fakeclaim. The way the hosts brushed off the claim as legal leads me to believe this was all possible. His apology post could be genuine, but he could also scum. I think the wording can come from either alignment. "In the event that I wasn't fakeclaiming, is that still breaking the rules". I don't think that's completely believable coming from a townie. Mafia aren't allowed to claim in such a way, but townies would be? How does that make sense? That fact that he looked at it that way makes it weird coming from town. I think it's ignorant to accept it as a townslip. yeah good point. will read zare again too | ||
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On January 24 2014 12:17 JonnyLaw wrote: Do that thrawn and let me know what you come up with because all I read in that filter is balla light defense and odd interactions with bum. bum is here. what you think bout his newer posts? | ||
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this is the scummy group 2.) BarristanTheBold 8.) VisceraEyes 5.) Artanis[Xp] 7.) Crossfire99 9.) Wile E. Coyote (crossfire and W E I think are town but my reasons for him aren't as good as reasons for other town reads) I have good reasons not to lynch anyone else. vote is sorta a place holder vote until I finish filtering the above group, however I am worried about VE, it doesn't seem like he cares too much about the lynch | ||
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On January 25 2014 02:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't believe I called anyone dumb for it, just called points dumb. We're playing mafia, and if people say dumb things I'll call the things they say dumb. so why are you here right now? what is your objective? to call us bad and tell us to go fuck ourselves while pretending to push the JL lynch? | ||
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On January 25 2014 03:27 kushm4sta wrote: thrawn choose where to put your vote plz as long as it's artanis > JL i'd rather stay | ||
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On January 25 2014 03:39 kushm4sta wrote: WHY you know how useless your vote is now? it's uselss either way lol. if i voted for one of the two candidates like you are telling me I have to do, my vote wiould go on artanis and would had no effect on who gets klynvhed. neither of them are my first choice but i am definitely fine with artanis > jl. nothing artanis has posted since he's come back as made any sense | ||
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if nobody can answer i think that's a good reason to vote him | ||
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I've read his filter several times already and come away with no reads every time. his tone and stuff suggest that he is interested in finding scum but i don't think he's made any impact on the game despite how long his filter is. during d2 he;s seemed too carefree abut who he is willing to vote and he's not doing anything to heklp town find scum he doesn't have anything townie going for him other than how he talks, i guess? | ||
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i made some dumb comment about smurfnig as stannis stannis = geript, the unloved savior of tlmafia | ||
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vote:artanis nap time i'll be back later | ||
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