Normal Mini Mafia: Episode I

On January 18 2014 16:21 Blazinghand wrote:


you're... talking about the game of mafia, right?

On January 19 2014 10:18 DarthPunk wrote:

2 more.

On January 17 2014 23:48 JonnyLaw wrote:
/in

On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim.

Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions.

4.) Suki, the scum god

On January 20 2014 10:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Well in that case:
##Vote: thrawn2112
There is nothing scummy in what kush has done so far.

On January 20 2014 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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kushmasta, we are in LYLO. We have 2x Named VT claims and a parity cop claim and a doctor claim. Who is scum of the claims?

On January 21 2014 02:12 Balla24 wrote:


First off, what I was saying about his plan was that its just like any other game and its nothing really new, not that it was bad (besides the giving blues immunity regardless of what happens, that's bad and what the main bulk of the discussion around it was)

Second off, it's pretty clear why kush is voting me here. I haven't done shit yet, he wants me to do shit, he votes me to pressure me into doing shit. You of all people should see that.

On January 21 2014 06:32 zarepath wrote:


Yes, since it's completely unreasonable for you to have to defend yourself against scum suspicions, right? Any town that would do that DESERVES to lose!

On January 21 2014 09:53 zarepath wrote:
@Barristan

1) I simply have not had much time so far this game. Sundays are always my busiest days of the week (and this goes back to all of my games) and I barely had a chance to read the thread then, and today I've been doing family stuff b/c holiday and poking back in. My activity level should rise appropriately the rest of the week, but still probably not to The Game levels as I have another kid now and my schedule's tightened.

I reject the notion that my "focus" on VE has been a simple parroting of other's comments, as that's not what I did at all. His switch to bum looked very suspicious and I did my own analysis of him, and that case was the result. My case was completely ignored and I HAVE tried to push it back into people's attention, so I think that's a mischaracterization.

2) You talk about me voting and pushing my scum reads as if this is a pattern I've established in this game, when I've had one main read that I've made a case on so far, and my analysis was more in-depth than essentially every argument leading up to a vote in this thread. I don't see how you consider my analysis of VE leading up to my vote on him as being worse than VE voting for bum, his only justification being... that it's okay that he's giving up on his earlier vote.

On January 22 2014 01:22 zarepath wrote:
I could join a bum scum wagon for his rationale of ending his VE assault, notably because of this:



Followed by this:



If he did not ACTUALLY think he would never take his vote off without VE satisfactorily answering his questions (which is the case, as evidenced by him taking his vote off of him), what was the purpose of stating it in such a dramatic way? I'm thinking for appearance, which is actually backed up by the second quote, where he shares his rationale for dropping the vote, which is purely because of what everyone else thinks.

The ideal townie would pursue his read no matter what, but a non-ideal townie isn't necessarily scum. What shouts scummy to me is the transparent motivation of focusing on how everyone else perceives his arguments, and not on his arguments themselves.

Remember this is only a little more than 24 hours into a game and he is already attacking and voting for this many people!? This screams just throwing out cases and hoping one sticks.

On January 22 2014 04:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Is there anything you find scummy about Crossfire that you find difficult to imagine from a town point of view?

On January 22 2014 05:41 kushm4sta wrote:
fuck no are we lynching wiley. blues are immune remember we agreed to that?

On January 22 2014 05:58 bumatlarge wrote:
I don't like lynching crossfire, because of this post.



I have done this, and came up with nothing useful, and posted anyway because I didn't want to let the work go unnoted. I probably wouldn't search somewhere I know is a dead-end as scum, and if I did, I would probably push the fact that I went through the trouble of doing that.

I find this post very similar to an off-hand townie post.

On January 22 2014 06:04 suki wrote:
You can policy lynch and I'm just going to scum hunt. How's that sound Jonny?

11. Breadcrumbing the specific phrasing of your role PM. Do not compare the phrasing in your role PM to prove your alignment. You can claim the abilities you have, but you can't use the specific phrasing of your role PM.
12. Posting a false role PM phrased as if you received it from the host. You can still fake roleclaim, but you cannot make it look like you are posting a PM you received from the host.

On January 22 2014 06:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No townie wants anyone modkilled especially when mafia has fakeclaims and it's easy to prove and i have asked the hosts about it already.

On January 22 2014 06:45 suki wrote:
I think Balla's play fits my view of him as town so far.

On January 22 2014 06:52 suki wrote:
Because I'd rather see the game through by lynching Zarepath like we were 99% about to do before this stupid claim posting thing, than win because town cheated. Okay?

On January 22 2014 06:18 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah that's my role except for the flavor name

On January 22 2014 06:24 zarepath wrote:
So that's still breaking the rules if I'm not fake claiming? Crap. Sorry all.

On January 21 2014 02:35 JonnyLaw wrote:
Balla you haven't actually said anything this game.

Half of your posts starts with an "I don't" get it, understand, don't want to solve this fucking game because I'm scum.

Bum or Rayn, pick one. Who's scummier?


*as an aside Suki is a woman saw a couple posts addressed as "he" said whatever.

On January 21 2014 03:29 JonnyLaw wrote:
Also, I think balla's scum and I don't know how to read kush at all. Maybe scum too.

On January 21 2014 07:52 JonnyLaw wrote:
##unvote
##vote kushmasta


I think kush is scum. I think balla is scum. I think kush put a bus vote on balla and got an easy out when I said something. No one else will vote balla. Lynch kush.

On January 22 2014 03:01 JonnyLaw wrote:
Balla I still think you're scum.

You post essentially nothing this game. Then you pop back into the thread and pick a convenient lurker to lynch. You're not making an effort to solve this game.

How is sheeping rayn by saying he's here to move the game forward any type of acceptable play? In the last game you kept commenting oh how you play too nicely and trying to FIND SCUM while I randomly harassed people into talking.

you ask questions, but pose them doubtfully like you're not sure and don't care if they're answered. Your play this game is completely scummy. in 40 hours all you've managed to conclude is that rayn (nine pages of filter) is town and you can sheep him safely while crossfire (one page of filter) looks bad so you can post something without fear of him coming back at you with a defense.

On January 22 2014 07:16 JonnyLaw wrote:
I think there's Kush/balla scum team. Way too much contrived interaction. I'd rather lynch balla but kush is fine too.

##unvote
##vote kushm4sta

On January 22 2014 07:49 JonnyLaw wrote:
Yay, what I wanted for a while. I think those two are scum together though. Half of balla's filter is interacting with kush.

##unvote
##vote balla24

On January 22 2014 03:59 JonnyLaw wrote:
I dunno maybe he's frustrated he got no support after putting a lot of effort into a case. Something you did not do.

Hell if it were up to me I'd lynch balla today but that doesn't seem likely. I've played 3 games with him in the last 2-3 months and this is not how town balla should be playing. So, when something's not working find another scummer to lynch. And I think Rayn did exactly that when he found Zarepath.

On January 22 2014 04:10 JonnyLaw wrote:
Hey balla, it's nothing personal. You're the only person I've played enough games in to expect something meta.

I hope you can prove my suspicions wrong and it turns out you're townie-mctown.

On January 22 2014 04:06 Balla24 wrote:
yeah yeah jonny we get it and its true i havent been the same Balla, that's gonna change

Why are you so worried this game though? Usually you are all "well Balla is generally active enough that I can read him later".

I'm fine with lynching zarepath. You guys have both done all the work, which makes you more town definitely, but I still need to see what Crossfire and Artanis are doing before I settle 100%

##unvote
##vote zarepath

On January 23 2014 06:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am really really sure JonnyLaw is mafia.

There is no reason he "pushed" Balla but didn't really do so, he even agreed with suki in Balla is playing like his townie self besides activity, which i clearly pointed out is not the case.

I am not saying what i think about the bum/VE interaction before the resolution period.

doc me if there is a doc.

On January 24 2014 07:59 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah just from evidence alone i dont know how i can not vote johnny. at the very least i can 100% commit to lynching him if he doesn't come back

also he was the person who wanted to kill zare out of fairness right? i can't shake how obvuiously scummy that is, i dont think scum would try to get zre killed tht way that if they thought a townie broke rules and dwserved to die... maybe just be silent and vent through PMs or scum chat?

On January 20 2014 22:51 suki wrote:
I think Rayn is stretching a bit with his conclusions but that he's pointed out Bum's general attitude this far: Bum is sitting on the fence in general, and he's not contributing to scum hunting.

This is right after Rayn and I started the Zarepath bandwagon. What a convenient time to switch ships.

Wait for, wait for it.




Bum, who do you find scummy and why?

On January 20 2014 23:07 suki wrote:
What has bum done that makes him lean town to you?

On January 21 2014 02:35 suki wrote:


kush is leaning towards bum being town because Bum is "questioning the same things about VE's play" that he is.

So kush must be referring to when bum was agreeing with my original case (which was horrible), which pegged VE as scummy. Specifically, bum makes two posts which speak about VE:
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So. Kush agrees (?) that VE doesn't look good because of bum's points. Bum's points are my case. Kush sees Bum as town, but also sees VE as town.

1. He thinks bum is town for bum's reasoning, which is simply an agreement of someone else's case and no further follow-up
2. He thinks VE is town even though he agrees with bum's agreement that VE looks scummy.

I find it hard to believe a town kush would feel that both bum and VE look town to him, based on the reasons he gave. I definitely see a scum kush screwing up like this.

On January 21 2014 03:50 suki wrote:
My thought process: bumatlarge agreed with my initial case against VE. It was pointed out that my case was bad and I had mistakenly thought VE was talking about one topic when he was talking about two. Bumatlarge, having agreed with my post, was now coming under fire from Rayn who asked him to point out the inconsistency.

He then said, he was not expecting all three initial posts to be completely taken out of context. I then posted my townread on bum to back him up because I felt like Rayn was going to attack him on this point and I think it would have been a waste of effort.

In hindsight, Rayn was pressuring bum for answers but not accusing him of scum behaviour and there was no reason to have to back bum up.

On January 21 2014 03:55 suki wrote:
@Rayn
'twisting his words' was too strong a phrase to use. You misrepresented them might be a better choice of words? You stating that bum wasn't providing evidence against VE was incorrect, because he did provide evidence - again, minus the wishy-washiness.

Your point on people saying 'he could be mafia, but then he could also be town' is true and I generally see that as a scum tell. However, I did not get that feeling from bum and especially not so now after reading through some of his past filters.

On January 21 2014 05:52 suki wrote:
Before you vote bum. For no other explanation that you like rayn's post, which amounted to 'bum is being wishy-washy'.

The difference between you and bum is that bum actually scum hunted and made arguments. What about you? All you've done is called out people for being 'bad' and then call them scum for it. The only analysis you've provided is 'This guy is bad at the game therefore he is scummy.'

Your arguments are weak and you just keep repeating the same thing over and over when pressured, which is some variation of OMGUS.

On January 21 2014 05:52 suki wrote:
Before you vote bum. For no other explanation that you like rayn's post, which amounted to 'bum is being wishy-washy'.

The difference between you and bum is that bum actually scum hunted and made arguments. What about you? All you've done is called out people for being 'bad' and then call them scum for it. The only analysis you've provided is 'This guy is bad at the game therefore he is scummy.'

Your arguments are weak and you just keep repeating the same thing over and over when pressured, which is some variation of OMGUS.

On January 21 2014 09:52 suki wrote:
You know what, I agree with you Barristan.

I think Zarepath's case on VE is just a list of points that tries to squeeze out any sort of scumminess. It's weak, but he sounds like he's trying so hard to make it work. His follow up posts are all trying to keep up the pressure on VE.

Compared to the filter linked by Barristan, Zarepath's tone has changed completely. In his previous game filter he had no problem listing off a bunch of people who he thought were scummy, and doing a bunch of analysis. In this game he's only talked about VE and no one else, and VE is not the only suspicious person in this game.

##unvote
##vote Zarepath

I'm going to lay off VE for a bit. Pressuring him is going nowhere and I think he's defended well.

On January 21 2014 10:02 suki wrote:


"Because he (is) probably wrong about you"
VE is accusing WileE of being scum.
Bum thinks WileE is probably town.

-> VE is probably wrong about WileE being scum.

I don't think it's a slip.

If you assume that bum is mafia, then why would he add in 'probably'? To put it another way, if bum had instead said '... he is holding back because he is wrong about you.' that is what I would call a slip, because bum would have just given away the fact that he knows what WileE's alignment is.

On January 21 2014 10:22 suki wrote:
I think Balla is looking more suspicious for not contributing.

I also don't like Jonny's play this game. It's a lot less coherent than our previous game together.

Balla, Jonny: I want to see more activity from both of you. Specifically, your top two scum reads and why.

On January 21 2014 22:49 suki wrote:
Balla
I think Balla's activity is strangely low compared to my last game with him, however reading his filter I feel like his tone is similar to the townie tone that I had in NMM LI. That is, he asks a ton of questions, postures a lot, but doesn't actually press his suspicions. When I was mafia in NMM LI I was actually initially planning to try to get a mislynch on him in Day 3 because I noticed while he pressured a ton of people, he never actually made cases himself.

Of course we ended up shooting him N2 because his pressure was just too good.

My read on Balla right now is neutral, leaning a bit towards town. His tone is more townie to me, and I think his case on Crossfire is characteristic of Balla, because Balla himself likes to jump around (albeit without voting), so he's basically defending his own meta (which isn't showing up this game, strangely). I don't like how he voted Crossfire at the end and then disappeared without any other comments. I want to hear his thoughts on more people.

TLDR: I read Balla as neutral, leaning a bit towards town. Overall tone feels kinda townie, but his lack of activity is suspicious, and his vote on Crossfire followed by disappearance is suspicious. Expect more activity, more pressure Day 2 from him. Do not like him as a Day 1 lynch.

To Balla: Can you please explain maybe in a sentence why there's such a huge change in your activity? And what we can expect from you going forward? Also, reads please. I asked for your top two scum reads earlier and you only talked about Crossfire.

On January 22 2014 02:05 suki wrote:


Bum is really self-conscious throughout the game. I don't like how he stepped off his pressure from VE just because no one was listening to him. If VE was the most scummy person in the game to Bum then he wouldn't have stepped off. If VE wasn't the most scummy, Bum would already have someone in mind who is more scummy and would have posted something I think rather than just disappear.

I'm starting to agree that Bum looks scummy.. but now Zarepath (my number 1 scum pick) has just bandwagoned (or bussed) onto bum?

Hmm.....

On January 22 2014 02:21 suki wrote:
Yeah ok.



Re-reading again, this post reads townie to me. Particularly the part where he points out that his case was ignored, I think for scum it doesn't matter if people listen to their arguments as long as a townie is getting lynched, so pointing out his post reads more town.

Tunneling can be done by town, stretching cases too far is also possible for a really tryhard town.

Zarepath's switch to bum doesn't make sense if both of them are scum. And I agree that bum looks scummy.

##unvote
##vote bumatlarge

On January 22 2014 04:59 suki wrote:

Uh if you're town you push the person you think is the scummiest, regardless if that person is a candidate or not.

If bum is scum, which I think he is, then I don't see scum zarepath voting for bum. It doesn't make sense.

From my point of view either zarepath or bum are scum. It doesn't make sense for both of them to be scum.

On January 22 2014 05:03 suki wrote:
Right now bum looks really bad for pushing such a shitty case on VE, then asking VE questions and when those questions are not answered satisfyingly.... drops the case because nobody's listening to him. The town explanation is he's just frustrated townie not willing to waste any more time.. but if he is, who is more suspicious to him? Why drop your case on your top scum read who hasn't answered any of your questions, when you don't have anyone else who reads scummy to you?

On January 22 2014 06:00 suki wrote:

One other thing I was eyeing was Crossfire's soft defense of Zarepath earlier in the game. Couple this with Zarepath including Crossfire into his list just now (alongside a really stupid desire to lynch WileE)... I think there's a good chance of them being scumbuddies.

##unvote
##vote Zarepath

On January 22 2014 07:24 JonnyLaw wrote:
Doesn't this seem too easy to you guys?

On January 22 2014 07:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
It seems like a last minute lynch orchestrated by myself and Rayn. I know I'm town and I'm pretty sure Rayn is town. I can see scum having no power to change the lynch. Pretty much what happened during Titanic II when there was a last minute switch to purpleflator who was scum.

On January 22 2014 07:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm okay with a Balla lynch too, but still prefer a Kush lynch. Just scrolled through his filter and he hasn't done anything. I remember him doing great in his latest newbie game and he hasn't really done anything here. Inactivity can have multiple reasons though. I much prefer Kush because he's actually been here a lot and still has a shit filter.

On January 22 2014 02:29 BarristanTheBold wrote:
My *ONLY* small concern about Artanis is that as scum he always just picks on weak targets. He never picks a fight with active, good players (ala rayn). But on the flipside, he also tends to lurk and not do much as scum.

I think I would be okay with Artanis lynch.

As an aside, I have to leave for work soon and won't be around for the lynch. I *might* be able to check the thread from my phone, but that's a big might. Let's figure this out before I leave, yis?

On January 22 2014 04:06 Balla24 wrote:
yeah yeah jonny we get it and its true i havent been the same Balla, that's gonna change

Why are you so worried this game though? Usually you are all "well Balla is generally active enough that I can read him later".

I'm fine with lynching zarepath. You guys have both done all the work, which makes you more town definitely, but I still need to see what Crossfire and Artanis are doing before I settle 100%

##unvote
##vote zarepath

On January 25 2014 13:12 Balla24 wrote:
My scum ratio is retarded. Just saying. So depressing rolling scum 3/5 times.