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On January 22 2014 07:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
The idea is that you prove why you're town. Your antagonistic tone implies you're not.
it usually doesn't.
and yeah i went to sleep before i got a chance to do anything.
hoenstly i ptretty much just saw that scumslip then i was liek ok found the lynch gg no more trying,
kind of like how alaka stopped trying just because he is confirmed town, which you yourself pointed out i think.
actually i have been doing a lot. im been going through filters and making reads. my filter is uqite long. how about you read it.?
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so what happened is i thought i was a named VT and only named vts got names.
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I thought omg rayn is claiming named vt like i am
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then rayn said
"everyone gets named"
i looked back and noticed i was green
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On January 22 2014 07:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 07:38 kushm4sta wrote:
I thought omg rayn is claiming named vt like i am so are you claiming named VT? or what the fuck are you saying?
I THOUGHT i was named vt just because i had a name.
I didn't realize normal vts got names.
@artanis I never care about getting lynched d1 because im not invested in teh game yet.
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@suki becuse i thouhght i was going to do more work on the game than i did.
i was going to prove my towniness with allteh work i did. that was the plan behind tha tpost.
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i gave reaons for townreading zare. i quoted stuff that i thoguht proved rayns case wrong.
i tried to figure out what contradiction everyone was talking aobut which i dont really konw what happened about but i recall balla saying nvm
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On January 22 2014 07:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 07:44 kushm4sta wrote:
i gave reaons for townreading zare. i quoted stuff that i thoguht proved rayns case wrong.
i tried to figure out what contradiction everyone was talking aobut which i dont really konw what happened about but i recall balla saying nvm Who do you actually think is scum right now?
well ih avne't read most of the recent pages, but i remain quite confident of bum due to scumslip.
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plus whatever shit ve said
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u have 8 minutes to save me rayn
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i guess ill go on anyone at this point
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##unvote
##vote balla
mm i love it when you have to vote for a townread.
dudes logic is so sick.
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his point on cross fire was pretty amazing it hoguht
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On January 21 2014 17:09 Balla24 wrote:I don't like Crossfire at all. His case on Rayn is super weird, where exactly does what rayn does make him scum? He's pressuring a lot of people with cases and votes. Crossfire is calling him scum for not committing to them and switching targets a lot but how does that make rayn scum?? It doesn't. It makes him town. From town perspective everybody starts as neutral and either gets a mafia read or a town read... its the opposite as scum. Rayn builds cases on people he thinks are scum, and posts reasoning too, yet Crossfire just latches onto the action itself and NOT the reasoning of rayn's cases. Rayn is one of the most active people in this game, why does Crossfire feel the need to pressure rayn about something so weak? Then there's this: Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 11:06 Crossfire99 wrote:On January 20 2014 10:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 20 2014 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nobody should claim at this point. Named VT's (boxers) do not help us in any way now because there is a possibility of 0-3 boxers and claiming does not clear anyone, it only gives mafia information about the setup unless we want all people to claim which we don't.
suki, kushmasta does not usually even read his own role PM properly (which is proven by last game for example) so unfortunately that plan does not make him non VT / non named VT and certainly not mafia. Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role. Here is the problem: If the named VT's claim it gives mafia info about the setup. - If there are no named VT's -> mafia knows the setup and can WIFOM by fakeclaiming VT and it's impossible to prove if itäs true or not
- If there is 1 naved VT -> If mafia has a GF they know the setup, if not, they know town has no more than 1 power role.
- If there are 2 named VT's -> mafia knows there is only max 1 power role.
- If there are 3 named VT's -> mafia knows there is no other power roles. they can WIFOM a roleblock on people and it "confirms" that's not the setup, so WIFOM.
Every single possible scenario only helps mafai and not town, so no, don't claim named VT's because they can't be confirmed and it only helps mafia if they know how many Named VT's there are. Discussion closed. I don't think it's quite that simple. I don't care if there are no named VTs or 1 or 2 or 3. Yes scum will be learn things about the setup, but honestly that doesn't matter because scum already know that there are X to Y power roles from their configuration. What claiming now does is prevent scum from being able to fake claim a named VT later. It prevents stupid things happening at lynches. Additionally, if we have power roles it gives them info about where they should begin using their powers. Even if scum decide to fake claim now, it's not like we're giving the named VTs a free pass, we're just treating them like miller claims where the info helps us and prevents scum from claiming something like that (e.g. miller) in the future. That's all. It all depends if you think it matters if scum knowing the setup is a bad thing or if the claims could even help our power roles. I'll let other people chime in on this. Ok. Back to this crazy Niners-Seahawks game. Where rayn points out why claiming Boxers is a bad thing for town and a good thing for mafia. He essentially brushes that off by saying "mafia already knows information about the setup" without really explaining what. Rayn gives him the courtesy to write out his expected outcomes from the plan but Crossfire does not reciprocate. ##vote Crossfire99
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On January 22 2014 02:31 Balla24 wrote:
Past 2 days have been busier than normal. Can't refresh and spam conversations with people like I normally do which is unfortunate. It's looking a lot better moving forward though.
As far as Crossfire: His case against rayn is bad and really construed, its very large but the only thing he is attacking is the fact that rayn has jumped around a lot. Like it doesn't make sense to put that much effort into that first off, and secondly why does he feel the need to pressure rayn of all people who is active as hell and will be more readable because of it. It just feels very wrong. The second bit about the Boxers claiming thing is obvious that there is scum motivation for discussing it and getting the town onboard. So him brushing off what was said is super suspicious.
Other people who look bad: Jonnylaw, Artanis. Artanis's game plan is really weird and underwhelming to me. He comes in trying to hard read rayn, accuses him of being scum and then leaves. Not only did he only accuse you of being scum because he thinks you have "something to hide" but you had done so much already and now that there was more.
THis is the post.
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crossfire is attacking rayn for somethign stupid and making a huge case of it for no reason
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better him then me though
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On January 22 2014 07:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hi guys, dinner is keeping me away from the thread. wtf 10 pages in 2 hours?
I can't read it all in time. I'll read it all after the flip.
our precious bum lynch got shat on
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On January 22 2014 08:14 JonnyLaw wrote:
I called that all fucking game.
all I gotta say.
Kush scum too.
I'll make the case shortly. Grabbing a beer now.
plz dont
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EPT
