On January 21 2014 13:16 bumatlarge wrote:You respond to this Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 11:46 bumatlarge wrote:VisceraEyes. Read below. If you do not answer sufficiently, I cannot, as a town-aligned player, ever take my vote off you. + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2014 04:25 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 01:47 bumatlarge wrote:You'd think I'd vote for him, BUT THERE IS ACTUALLY SOMEONE EVEN WORSE. VisceraEyes ladies and gentlemen! On January 20 2014 22:51 suki wrote:
I think Rayn is stretching a bit with his conclusions but that he's pointed out Bum's general attitude this far: Bum is sitting on the fence in general, and he's not contributing to scum hunting.
Bum, who do you find scummy and why? Rayn's inane posting visibly having its effect on people. I'm allowed to be somewhat reserved in the first hour I enter the threa suki. And even then, if you read my posts, I am clearly not on the fence. The only thing holing me back from lynching VE is that I know he can be silly sometimes, but even afterwards, it perpetuates in all his posts even after the fact. On January 20 2014 22:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah that all looks really bad. I'm assuming this is referencing rayn's post. I have to restrain myself from calling this the worst post, because I've witnessed townies doing this. Rayn makes a post about me. All of it is wrong. VE in the most generic and assuming way possible, agrees with it. Again, I've seen a townie do this, and I want to be sure about this. I mean, VE might have just skimmed it an be reconsidering agreeing- On January 20 2014 23:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
What do you think of bum kush? I liked rayns post on the matter, and agree he looks bad. What do you think? On January 20 2014 23:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think the timing is such that it is more likely to be a scum fakeclaim than town, but I'm not 100% sold on it. The more we talk about it, the more I can see a townie just not caring what he said earlier, and I guess it's less likely that scum would do something completely against what they previously went on record saying.
I can give Slam more time I guess.
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##Vote bumatlarge Alright, I can't ignore this blatant display of anti-town. 1. Blinly agrees with bad analysis. Maybe that's subjective, and I'm biased because it is against me. I'd make this point null. 2. Fails to support his own view, AND PROCEEDS TO ASK SOMEONE ELSES OPINION ON THAT. Looks like he wants to talk about it, but has no interest in actually doing that. Why not ask someone else to do it for you while doing nothing yourself? I don't even think VE planned it out that way, it was just instinct. 3. This asinine persistence to post about VT claims that have nothing to do with day 1. WHO CARES WHOS CLAIMING IT. It one of the most dead-end conversations I have ever seen. And it's WIFOM. Anyone can say it with 0 detriment, and I would have no opinion on it as of right now. PSA: BUM IS A CLAIMED VT. THAT IS ALL, CONTINUE SKIMMING THIS BECAUSE I KNOW YOU AREN'T ACTUALLY READING THIS POST. YOU DUMB BASTARDS##Vote VisceraEyes 1) I'm not "blindly agreeing" with bad analysis, if you think the analysis is bad then that's cool whatever, but I don't think it's bad, I agree with it. I mean, just because you think it's bad doesn't make it bad. So this point is, as bum said, very null. Where do you get off that this is a good rebuttal. This is the fluffiest thing I have ever read. This is such a poor over-reaction, when I was merely expecting an explanation to your affirmation of Rayn's post on me. You gave me NOTHING. 2) This doesn't make me scum or town either. Rayn made a post about bum, one I agreed with, and kush was receiving some flak from rayn for not doing anything so I asked him to comment on the post about bum. Because bum hadn't been back to comment on the case there wasn't much to add as far as Bum is concerned, so I'm not sure what he's expecting here. This point also doesn't make me scum. I'm further pushing an explanation that you still have not given. I actually don't care why you asked someone elses opinion, I wanted yours! I want to not have this be my issue but your obsession with beating around it is baffling. 3) More nullery to justify bum's scumread of me. I was discussing the plans OTHERS brought forth. If the ideas were so "asinine" then why not bring it up with the people who brought up the plans? Why is my commenting on them worthy of your lynch? Because it appears intentionally distracting, when your vote is on me! You can understan that your blathering bothers me when you are voting me for what someone else said. You haven't commented on that, and you haven't commente on my defense. It's either lazy or anti-town, and you nee to STOP IT. I consider the matter closed. Unless Bum has some actual reasons to think I'm scum, I strongly urge you guys to vote for this guy. Nope and nope. Not when there is no explanation. In our, "Bum the Scum" gallery, we see the OMGUS blossom into full blown tunneling. On January 21 2014 04:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Elaborate on your issue with me plz Artanis. Why is my vote on Bum bad? Bum isn't reading the thread, while accusing others of "skimming". He agreed with suki's analysis calling me scum for having "inconsistent views on Kush's plan" when in the posts in question I was actually referring to TWO different plans...and then calls me scum for "blindly agreeing with bad logic".
This is pretty cut and dry Artanis. Bum is scum. You should be voting for him. Not making aimless jabs at me. I admitted that your quotes were misconstrued by suki, but I didn't use any of that when I analyzed you here. + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2014 01:47 bumatlarge wrote:In this chapter, we will be looking at both Raynpelikoneet and VisceraEyes. A Bum Emersion Fanfic[/red
On January 20 2014 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 22:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
There isn't much to them. After reading through I can at least say that he weakly agrees that I look bad (though I don't know why) and he believes the boxer claim and he thinks other boxers should not claim.
I wouldn't mind some elaboration on his issue with me. So here are bumatlarge's posts: Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 17:32 bumatlarge wrote:
We'll, No one else should claim. One named VT doesn't actually tell us or the mafia anything. I have my doubts that Wile is lying unless he's being a very intentionally hard to understand smurf. "Chez" or no, it doesn't hurt that bad. Anyone voting for him for that reason is being awfully hasty. green: believes claim red: says claim is fake which is it? Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 18:23 bumatlarge wrote:
I'm assuming boxer means Named VT?
This is a question that has been answered twice in the thread already. Useless "contribution" or not even reading the thread. Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 18:29 bumatlarge wrote:On January 20 2014 13:02 suki wrote:On January 20 2014 09:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's dumb because of what rayn said - you're literally saying "Anyone who claims blue is immune to the lynch". Literally. What is stopping scum from just claiming blue whenever they're on the block? On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role. On January 20 2014 10:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
2 is pretty potent in my opinion. If you don't believe me, take a look at Kush's plan. He wants to make blues IMMUNE to the lynch. So is kush's plan dumb? Or do you think it could help us in the future and there's a reason that's pretty potent? Or are you just indifferent to the whole matter? On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim.
Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions. Inconsistent views on kush's plan (he think's it's dumb / sees arguments for it / is mostly indifferent). Wishy-washy. And I just hate the bolded red line in general. ##unvote##vote VisceraEyes The scum hunt is strong with this one. I'd like VE to explain his thought process on the first part, he seems to be changing his mind mid post, then it would make more sense as town. Scum hunting is not strong with that one. The first part is entirely false and that's all he's talking about. Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 18:33 bumatlarge wrote:On January 20 2014 17:48 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On January 20 2014 14:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
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His little act about not knowing what a boxer is does not really jive with the claim. Add to that the fact that he claimed 5 hours into the game after being very clear about how he feels about boxers claiming, and it all just looks bad. This is a logical reaction. I disagree, the only reason you think it's reasonable is because he is holding back because he probably wrong about you. I'm just working out what I can remember from VE if he posts like this as town. Again implying the claim is true, and now he is not really suspicious of VE in the end.
TLDR;Here's what bum's posts say this far - Does believe the claim but does not believe the claim - Says VE is scummy but VE is not necessarily scummy - Asks a question that's been answered 2 times already. ##Vote: bumatlarge
Rayn, next time you grow the balls to analyze me, do me the of reading it before you post so I don't have to waste time answering it. From now on if you have a post that you took 3 seconds to scrounge together an you want me to chime in/repspond to it, I'm not going to if I don't think you are trying.
1 - Completely misread
2 - Completely misconstrued
3 - Who cares?
Oh look the exact same amount of effort!
On January 20 2014 22:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oops okay, i misread the red colored part so ignore that. However it does not really matter as that's not really any sort of contribution as it says nothing useful.
VE, scum don't need to claim anything at all at this point of the game. Why do you think that's the case?
kush why am i town?
Oh, I'm completely wrong. but I'll take "minimal blame an keep my vote where it is" for 400 Alex.
On January 20 2014 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You have literally disagreed with every single thing VE has said in this game, how is it possible for you to have a town read on him?
WHAT KIND OF AWFUL ANTAGONIZING STATEMENT IS THAT? Only you would come to a conclusion like that.
Either Rayn has no interest in winning or applying himself, yet insists to post whatever pops into his hea into the thread, or he's mafia.
You'd think I'd vote for him, BUT THERE IS ACTUALLY SOMEONE EVEN WORSE. VisceraEyes ladies and gentlemen!
On January 20 2014 22:51 suki wrote:
I think Rayn is stretching a bit with his conclusions but that he's pointed out Bum's general attitude this far: Bum is sitting on the fence in general, and he's not contributing to scum hunting.
Bum, who do you find scummy and why?
Rayn's inane posting visibly having its effect on people. I'm allowed to be somewhat reserved in the first hour I enter the threa suki. And even then, if you read my posts, I am clearly not on the fence. The only thing holing me back from lynching VE is that I know he can be silly sometimes, but even afterwards, it perpetuates in all his posts even after the fact.
On January 20 2014 22:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah that all looks really bad.
I'm assuming this is referencing rayn's post.
I have to restrain myself from calling this the worst post, because I've witnessed townies doing this. Rayn makes a post about me. All of it is wrong. VE in the most generic and assuming way possible, agrees with it. Again, I've seen a townie do this, and I want to be sure about this. I mean, VE might have just skimmed it an be reconsidering agreeing-
On January 20 2014 23:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
What do you think of bum kush? I liked rayns post on the matter, and agree he looks bad. What do you think?
On January 20 2014 23:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think the timing is such that it is more likely to be a scum fakeclaim than town, but I'm not 100% sold on it. The more we talk about it, the more I can see a townie just not caring what he said earlier, and I guess it's less likely that scum would do something completely against what they previously went on record saying.
I can give Slam more time I guess.
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Alright, I can't ignore this blatant display of anti-town.
1. Blinly agrees with bad analysis. Maybe that's subjective, and I'm biased because it is against me. I'd make this point null.
2. Fails to support his own view, AND PROCEEDS TO ASK SOMEONE ELSES OPINION ON THAT. Looks like he wants to talk about it, but has no interest in actually doing that. Why not ask someone else to do it for you while doing nothing yourself? I don't even think VE planned it out that way, it was just instinct.
3. This asinine persistence to post about VT claims that have nothing to do with day 1. WHO CARES WHOS CLAIMING IT. It one of the most dead-end conversations I have ever seen. And it's WIFOM. Anyone can say it with 0 detriment, and I would have no opinion on it as of right now.
PSA: BUM IS A CLAIMED VT. THAT IS ALL, CONTINUE SKIMMING THIS BECAUSE I KNOW YOU AREN'T ACTUALLY READING THIS POST. YOU DUMB BASTARDS
##Vote VisceraEyes So you can't say my analysis doesn't hold water because I misread someone else's misconstrued analysis of you, because I never referenced it. On January 21 2014 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
rayn what are YOUR updated thoughts on Bum? You accuse him of being wishywashy, which I agree with. I think that the wishy-washiness combined with the terrible cases on you and me makes him scum. On January 21 2014 04:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
So? Neither of those "easy route" things make me scum or even scummy. Who cares if they're "easy"? Does that make the points I raise any less valid? And what if Bum is scum Artanis? Just because bum attacked me first, am I supposed to go after someone else just because bum is "too easy" now? Or Wile, just because rayn attacked him first, am I supposed to find a different target just because Wile is "too easy" now? Even if he's scum? These points don't make any sense. On January 21 2014 05:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Artanis look at it this way: bumatlarge should know better. I'm getting a lot of flak because of others' expectations of me, and that's fine I guess, but why are people not holding bumatlarge up to the same standard of play? Or higher? Bumatlarge is one of seven(?) players to have played a game on this site for the last SEVEN YEARS.
And the cases on me and rayn are what all this experience has yielded? I know that he's completely wrong about at least half of his reads, and the reasoning he gave for having that particular read is fucking TERRIBLE.
Do the math guys. This is such a hard tunnel when you haven't presented your case properly. And you start clogging the thread up with nonsense when artanis points this out. You go so far as to attack my mafia experience when I'm trying to generate a better read of you on day one. DAY ONE. You have some nerve if you aren't mafia. On January 21 2014 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 06:45 suki wrote:On January 21 2014 06:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because sheeping / agreeing with someone does not make anyone mafia. Also his reaction to Artanis calling bum the towniest town was pure town!VE. Sheeping/agreeing with someone doesn't make anyone mafia, but VE has failed to contribute anything to the game aside from OMGUS and policy talk. So VE is town in your eyes purely from a meta read. In fact it's bumatlarge who is OMGUSing here if you wanna talk about OMGUS. Oh and fails to contribute nothing else also. Random rayn post, lol wtf rayn? Ok, VE. I want as minimal a chance of you really screwing the pooch because I have no interest lynching you if you are just being exceptionally awkward as town. 1) Can you elaborate on what you agreed on with rayn about me. I have asked you multiple times and instead of answering, you threw an OMGUS tantrum, that I can't fathom why you would. ITS NOT EVEN HARD TO ANSWER IF YOU ARE SCUM, which assures me that you are just refusing to do it for whatever misaligned reason. Here is rayns post again. On January 20 2014 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 22:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
There isn't much to them. After reading through I can at least say that he weakly agrees that I look bad (though I don't know why) and he believes the boxer claim and he thinks other boxers should not claim.
I wouldn't mind some elaboration on his issue with me. So here are bumatlarge's posts: Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 17:32 bumatlarge wrote:
We'll, No one else should claim. One named VT doesn't actually tell us or the mafia anything. I have my doubts that Wile is lying unless he's being a very intentionally hard to understand smurf. "Chez" or no, it doesn't hurt that bad. Anyone voting for him for that reason is being awfully hasty. green: believes claim red: says claim is fake which is it? Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 18:23 bumatlarge wrote:
I'm assuming boxer means Named VT?
This is a question that has been answered twice in the thread already. Useless "contribution" or not even reading the thread. Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 18:29 bumatlarge wrote:On January 20 2014 13:02 suki wrote:On January 20 2014 09:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's dumb because of what rayn said - you're literally saying "Anyone who claims blue is immune to the lynch". Literally. What is stopping scum from just claiming blue whenever they're on the block? On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role. On January 20 2014 10:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
2 is pretty potent in my opinion. If you don't believe me, take a look at Kush's plan. He wants to make blues IMMUNE to the lynch. So is kush's plan dumb? Or do you think it could help us in the future and there's a reason that's pretty potent? Or are you just indifferent to the whole matter? On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim.
Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions. Inconsistent views on kush's plan (he think's it's dumb / sees arguments for it / is mostly indifferent). Wishy-washy. And I just hate the bolded red line in general. ##unvote##vote VisceraEyes The scum hunt is strong with this one. I'd like VE to explain his thought process on the first part, he seems to be changing his mind mid post, then it would make more sense as town. Scum hunting is not strong with that one. The first part is entirely false and that's all he's talking about. Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 18:33 bumatlarge wrote:On January 20 2014 17:48 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On January 20 2014 14:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Vote Wile E
His little act about not knowing what a boxer is does not really jive with the claim. Add to that the fact that he claimed 5 hours into the game after being very clear about how he feels about boxers claiming, and it all just looks bad. This is a logical reaction. I disagree, the only reason you think it's reasonable is because he is holding back because he probably wrong about you. I'm just working out what I can remember from VE if he posts like this as town. Again implying the claim is true, and now he is not really suspicious of VE in the end.
TLDR;Here's what bum's posts say this far - Does believe the claim but does not believe the claim - Says VE is scummy but VE is not necessarily scummy - Asks a question that's been answered 2 times already. ##Vote: bumatlarge 2) Why am I scum? I'm not being malicious in anyway here. I just want to hear what is so mind-blowingly scummy that you would threaten to policy lynch artanis for calling me the towniest player. Please give me something beyond that I called you scum, and I wouldn't do that as town, because then I would magically start seeing you as a townie. And that's all. Your last twenty posts about me I will just let slide because I have no desire to keep having this argument. Honestly, even if you are mafia, I'd rather keep you around and get a better read on you to be sure, but the nature of your posts do not let me do that! With this: + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2014 12:43 VisceraEyes wrote:Mostly I'm just wondering about why that's in a spoiler if you honestly feel like I'm being unreasonable and are trying to lynch me. Instead it makes me feel like you have something to hide. Honestly. Here's my response to your two questions. 1) Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 03:23 bumatlarge wrote:On January 21 2014 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What? Look at his case on VE again. Nothing ends with "he is mafia because of this". Everything ends in "but he could do that as town too so i am unsure". On January 21 2014 01:47 bumatlarge wrote:You'd think I'd vote for him, BUT THERE IS ACTUALLY SOMEONE EVEN WORSE. VisceraEyes ladies and gentlemen! On January 20 2014 22:51 suki wrote:
I think Rayn is stretching a bit with his conclusions but that he's pointed out Bum's general attitude this far: Bum is sitting on the fence in general, and he's not contributing to scum hunting.
Bum, who do you find scummy and why? Rayn's inane posting visibly having its effect on people. I'm allowed to be somewhat reserved in the first hour I enter the threa suki. And even then, if you read my posts, I am clearly not on the fence. The only thing holing me back from lynching VE is that I know he can be silly sometimes, but even afterwards, it perpetuates in all his posts even after the fact. he is mafia because of this On January 20 2014 22:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah that all looks really bad. I'm assuming this is referencing rayn's post. he is mafia because of this I have to restrain myself from calling this the worst post, because I've witnessed townies doing this. he is mafia because of this. Rayn makes a post about me. All of it is wrong. VE in the most generic and assuming way possible, agrees with it. Again, I've seen a townie do this, and I want to be sure about this. he is mafia because of this. I mean, VE might have just skimmed it an be reconsidering agreeing. he is mafia because of this anyway On January 20 2014 23:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
What do you think of bum kush? I liked rayns post on the matter, and agree he looks bad. What do you think? On January 20 2014 23:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think the timing is such that it is more likely to be a scum fakeclaim than town, but I'm not 100% sold on it. The more we talk about it, the more I can see a townie just not caring what he said earlier, and I guess it's less likely that scum would do something completely against what they previously went on record saying.
I can give Slam more time I guess.
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##Vote bumatlarge Alright, I can't ignore this blatant display of anti-town. 1. Blinly agrees with bad analysis. Maybe that's subjective, and I'm biased because it is against me. I'd make this point null. he is mafia because of this 2. Fails to support his own view, AND PROCEEDS TO ASK SOMEONE ELSES OPINION ON THAT. he is mafia because of this. Looks like he wants to talk about it, but has no interest in actually doing that. Why not ask someone else to do it for you while doing nothing yourself? he is mafia because of this. I don't even think VE planned it out that way, it was just instinct. he is mafia because of this 3. This asinine persistence to post about VT claims that have nothing to do with day 1. he is mafia because of this. WHO CARES WHOS CLAIMING IT. It one of the most dead-end conversations I have ever seen. he is mafia because of this. And it's WIFOM. Anyone can say it with 0 detriment, and I would have no opinion on it as of right now. he is mafia because of this PSA: BUM IS A CLAIMED VT. THAT IS ALL, CONTINUE SKIMMING THIS BECAUSE I KNOW YOU AREN'T ACTUALLY READING THIS POST. YOU DUMB BASTARDS he is mafia because of this##Vote VisceraEyeshe is mafia because of this Fixed to be more Rayn friendly. I think VE is mafia. he is mafia because of this :D Your response wasn't even a response. It was literally just you adding the phrase "he is mafia because of this" to everything you said jokingly. Like, it fooled rayn, but I'm objectively looking bum. Imagine that. Rayn was right, the way you put that entire post is strewn with verbiage that implies that you KNOW I'm capable of this kind of play as town, but you're certain enough to lynch me first. Over everything else and anyone else. You know I do these things as town, and there's nothing in any of your posting that gives any reasoning for being so certain. Everything you mention, you know I do as town as well. So why me bum? Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 03:15 bumatlarge wrote:
To a certain point yes, but after point number #2, none of that should be green. VE not planning out himself not talking about me is scummy, because I don't believe he has much to say. And that last point is to drive home how useless what VE thought was important to talk about (Slam).
There is a threshold of how scummy you look by how poor you are that you are no longer town. I think VE passed that. Why would me not having much to say about you be scummy? Why would me asking someone else about you necessarily have anything to do with what I think of you anyway? Why can I not be trying to judge HIS alignment based on what he says about you in conjunction with my own thoughts about you? These are all questions you'd have or want, but you don't. You aren't interested in my opinion at all. You vote because you don't like me, by policy. And now you're making shit up to try and justify it. 2) THAT is necessarily scummy to me bum. THAT is why I think you're scum. In conjunction with you blindly agreeing with suki's analysis of me without even reading the situation or my posts at all, you are now trying to make shit up in a spoiler to justify your failtunnel on me. Eat it bum. I don't care if your vote never leaves me. And now it's personal. ##Unvote
##Vote: bumatlarge None of that pertains to what I was asking. Show nested quote +1) Can you elaborate on what you agreed on with rayn about me. I have asked you multiple times and instead of answering, you threw an OMGUS tantrum, that I can't fathom why you would. ITS NOT EVEN HARD TO ANSWER IF YOU ARE SCUM, which assures me that you are just refusing to do it for whatever misaligned reason. Here is rayns post again. On January 20 2014 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 20 2014 22:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
There isn't much to them. After reading through I can at least say that he weakly agrees that I look bad (though I don't know why) and he believes the boxer claim and he thinks other boxers should not claim.
I wouldn't mind some elaboration on his issue with me. So here are bumatlarge's posts: On January 20 2014 17:32 bumatlarge wrote:
We'll, No one else should claim. One named VT doesn't actually tell us or the mafia anything. I have my doubts that Wile is lying unless he's being a very intentionally hard to understand smurf. "Chez" or no, it doesn't hurt that bad. Anyone voting for him for that reason is being awfully hasty. green: believes claim red: says claim is fake which is it? On January 20 2014 18:23 bumatlarge wrote:
I'm assuming boxer means Named VT?
This is a question that has been answered twice in the thread already. Useless "contribution" or not even reading the thread. On January 20 2014 18:29 bumatlarge wrote:On January 20 2014 13:02 suki wrote:On January 20 2014 09:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's dumb because of what rayn said - you're literally saying "Anyone who claims blue is immune to the lynch". Literally. What is stopping scum from just claiming blue whenever they're on the block? On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role. On January 20 2014 10:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
2 is pretty potent in my opinion. If you don't believe me, take a look at Kush's plan. He wants to make blues IMMUNE to the lynch. So is kush's plan dumb? Or do you think it could help us in the future and there's a reason that's pretty potent? Or are you just indifferent to the whole matter? On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim.
[red]Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions. Inconsistent views on kush's plan (he think's it's dumb / sees arguments for it / is mostly indifferent). Wishy-washy. And I just hate the bolded red line in general. ##unvote##vote VisceraEyes The scum hunt is strong with this one. I'd like VE to explain his thought process on the first part, he seems to be changing his mind mid post, then it would make more sense as town. Scum hunting is not strong with that one. The first part is entirely false and that's all he's talking about. On January 20 2014 18:33 bumatlarge wrote:On January 20 2014 17:48 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On January 20 2014 14:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Vote Wile E
His little act about not knowing what a boxer is does not really jive with the claim. Add to that the fact that he claimed 5 hours into the game after being very clear about how he feels about boxers claiming, and it all just looks bad. This is a logical reaction. I disagree, the only reason you think it's reasonable is because he is holding back because he probably wrong about you. I'm just working out what I can remember from VE if he posts like this as town. Again implying the claim is true, and now he is not really suspicious of VE in the end.
TLDR;Here's what bum's posts say this far - Does believe the claim but does not believe the claim - Says VE is scummy but VE is not necessarily scummy - Asks a question that's been answered 2 times already. ##Vote: bumatlarge 2) Why am I scum? I'm not being malicious in anyway here. I just want to hear what is so mind-blowingly scummy that you would threaten to policy lynch artanis for calling me the towniest player. Please give me something beyond that I called you scum, and I wouldn't do that as town, because then I would magically start seeing you as a townie. I'm done here. I don't know what you are hoping to accomplish with this.
I think #1 was lost in translation. I was asking about the first analysis rayn gave of me, an why you agreed with it. You did not answer. The Rayn analysis is in the spoiler somewhere.
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Show nested quote +Bum: 2) Why am I scum? I'm not being malicious in anyway here. I just want to hear what is so mind-blowingly scummy that you would threaten to policy lynch artanis for calling me the towniest player. Please give me something beyond that I called you scum, and I wouldn't do that as town, because then I would magically start seeing you as a townie. VisceraEyes: 2) THAT is necessarily scummy to me bum. THAT is why I think you're scum. In conjunction with you blindly agreeing with suki's analysis of me without even reading the situation or my posts at all, you are now trying to make shit up in a spoiler to justify your failtunnel on me. Eat it bum. I don't care if your vote never leaves me. And now it's personal.
That isn't enough! I was trying to get your townie perspective on why I was scum so we could get a town read on each other. What is "THAT"? I had no idea what you are talking about. The question?
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