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bumatlarge
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On January 24 2014 15:07 suki wrote: And actually I even read your soft-claim wrong, I thought you were claiming boxer -_-; See, I probably should have just claimed boxer when thrawn did, but last time I lied as town I got insta-lynched. I couldn't do that now, because you did nail me on knowing the set-up. I could have been mafia knowing about the set-up. | ||
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On January 24 2014 15:12 kushm4sta wrote: so can everyone just claim now? im vt There is a very slim chance we still have a doctor, but that would involve someone lying, and not protecting rayn. I doubt this scenario very much. I support claiming. Bum - Cop Zera - Boxer thrawn - Boxer kush - VT WileSlam - VT | ||
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I checked someone who is probably town. I don't know yet, I'm a Parity Cop, I only get information the second night. Set-up C means even if Zarepath or thrawn were lying, they couldn't know if there was a cop or not. I knew that, but scum can't. | ||
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On January 24 2014 16:31 BarristanTheBold wrote: bum: my problem with your claim is that hte timing makes absolutely no fucking sense. You don't get any results back until day 3, so why in the hell would you claim right now? It's just mind-bogglingly terrible timing for a real Parity Cop to claim unless you were within an hour of getting lynched. I believe I was already outed with suki's analysis. I would have liked to not claim, but I think my play being understood for this lynch is more important then a potential scum check later. I suggest everyone filter Artanis and get a read. I am fairly certain JohnnyLaw is town. | ||
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What I really want to hear is Artanis talk about his read on suki. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On January 25 2014 03:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: 1. Interaction with Balla seems fake. He pressures Balla a bit, then when Balla answers him he doesn't do anything with it, just continues to call him scum. He knows the alignment of Balla already so he doesn't actually care about the answers. He just wants interaction for distancing. 2. His read on Kush makes no sense. He says this is exactly how Kush plays. So clearly he knows a lot about Kush's meta. Welp, that's weird. He suddenly forgot 90 minutes later. 3. Voting pattern compared to reads VE already brought this up. He's thought Balla was scum all game long, but doesn't really interact with him much, nor does he vote for him until he's already dead and buried. [b]4. Accuses people without purpose. So there's this thing he found interesting except he could see it done as both alignments. Okay. 5. Keeps trying to get cred for the Balla lynch After the lynch, Jonny seems more interested in getting credit for the lynch despite not having voted for him until the last moment than anything else. 6. Can't keep his own story straight Rayn already said it. On January 22 2014 23:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is really bad. Really bad. He's had one clear scumread all the game. When something unexpected happens he has no idea what to do and then calls Balla's posting town?!?! But it was scummy before? And after. lol. On January 23 2014 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: no no no. This does not make any sense. That should be pretty much slam dunk already. Now for the recent posts which seem to have given people a townread on him somehow. 7. Case on Suki Cases can be bad and that doesn't make the person that makes them scummy. However, the choice of target on its own doesn't make sense. When you're a townie and you feel down and out and there's one person trying to motivate you to try again, who do you filter first to try and find scum? Generally it isn't the person trying to motivate you. So why would a scum JL do it? Because she was the best target that no one had really made a case on yet. Making a case on Bum wouldn't get you any credit because VE's already done it. Suki was the one with the filter easiest to portrait as scum that no one did yet. A perfect target for a scum case. The effort involved wasn't too much either, simply quoting posts and adding a line here and there and suddenly towncred galore. 8. Instant flip with town consensus Okay, now that the town cred has been accrued, let's see who we can actually lynch. Artanis is getting a lot of votes, let's plop my vote down there. What's strange is that the thing that's showing I'm town the most, the effort I put into getting my target lynched, is somehow scummy to him. From all the things in my filter that's what he points out. It shows a lack of a town mindset. Lynch JonnyLaw. He's scum. Lynch me if I'm wrong. 1) While you bring up a lot of neat points, artanis, none of it is really damning. JL talking about balla and not voting him until the end is curious, but eventually he does when it matters, I don't think he is trying to gain anything by it. It looks more like a town thought process. 2) His vote on kush is bad, but again that looks like faulty town play. He never apears to call kush town, just saying "that's how he plays", as either alignment. He is interested in how rayn came to his conclusion. He does think it over before he votes him, the distance between those posts you gave about kush are hours away from each and alot happens in between then. 3) His vote on zarepath isn't awful either. EVERYONE THOUGHT HE WAS SCUM. I would have rather lynched VE, and I ate flak for taking my vote off him, and you had a town read on me at the time. His reasons are on par with someone trying to scumhunt. You would have to reach a good amount to turn that into scum that is slightly bussing. 4) Rayn accuses people without purpose to generate reads. I think JLaw's attacks have a similar goal; to draw out content from certain players. Crossfire had barely any content. He was attempting to bring attention to it an wasn't pushing CF as anything. All of this just indicates that JLaw is reading the thread and trying to come up with reads. 5/6) I think he deserves some... His post with suki about balla "playing his town game" is out of place, though. 7) I find this very silly. He is developing reads, and going into territory no one has gone before is town, not mafia. Your reasons why this is scummy are completely far-fetched. 8) This is alignment-read bias. If you are really convinced someone is scum, everything they do is going to have a mafia reason. I think a lot of what JLaw has said is questionable, but 0% of it is anti-town, and you have to ignore the vote on balla to even start to get a non-town read on him. [b]Please reconsider the wagon on JLaw, he is 95% town from what I can see. | ||
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On January 22 2014 06:18 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah that's my role except for the flavor name There is no reason for him to be lying. The way he talks in the thread about claiming before that indicates it as well. Then he jumps on balla when it matters. | ||
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On January 25 2014 05:11 kushm4sta wrote: who gives a fuck if he breadcrumbed/claimed his fake claim that was given to him FOR THAT PURPOSE WOOOOAH, HUGE DIFFERENCE. I breadcrumbed, but I agree, doesn't mean shit. PLAYING LIKE THE ROLE YOU ARE THOUGH, that's something different. He was heavily interested in the claiming plan, and then there is this post. On January 21 2014 12:52 thrawn2112 wrote: So you bum voters think he casually fake-claimed named vt? What future-fakeclaiming named VT scum says that? | ||
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On January 25 2014 05:13 VisceraEyes wrote: Meh - the only person I'll lynch that's not Jonny is bum right now. On January 25 2014 05:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Actually I take that back - I could maybe lynch Artanis as well. It's sad when I consider this progress. | ||
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On January 25 2014 05:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Everything about my play is sad to you. Why should that be any different? That it doesn't have to be? We can discuss this later, right now I'm trusting you to think very hard about who you are voting. | ||
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Pick Their Power That is what VE does as town. He's probably town this game to if that game told me anything. That game also involed a lot of me being as deceitful as possible since my alter-ego died. If you really want insight into how I play a lying game as scum, that would be the one. | ||
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I'm assuming these are all town: kush thrawn JLaw crossfire If any of those are mafia, we may have lost. This is the order of in terms of most scummy to least scummy wile suki barristan zarepath | ||
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