Normal Mini Mafia: Episode I - Page 5

On January 22 2014 04:06 Balla24 wrote:
yeah yeah jonny we get it and its true i havent been the same Balla, that's gonna change

Why are you so worried this game though? Usually you are all "well Balla is generally active enough that I can read him later".

I'm fine with lynching zarepath. You guys have both done all the work, which makes you more town definitely, but I still need to see what Crossfire and Artanis are doing before I settle 100%

##unvote
##vote zarepath

On January 23 2014 06:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am really really sure JonnyLaw is mafia.

There is no reason he "pushed" Balla but didn't really do so, he even agreed with suki in Balla is playing like his townie self besides activity, which i clearly pointed out is not the case.

I am not saying what i think about the bum/VE interaction before the resolution period.

doc me if there is a doc.

On January 24 2014 07:59 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah just from evidence alone i dont know how i can not vote johnny. at the very least i can 100% commit to lynching him if he doesn't come back

also he was the person who wanted to kill zare out of fairness right? i can't shake how obvuiously scummy that is, i dont think scum would try to get zre killed tht way that if they thought a townie broke rules and dwserved to die... maybe just be silent and vent through PMs or scum chat?

On January 20 2014 22:51 suki wrote:
I think Rayn is stretching a bit with his conclusions but that he's pointed out Bum's general attitude this far: Bum is sitting on the fence in general, and he's not contributing to scum hunting.

This is right after Rayn and I started the Zarepath bandwagon. What a convenient time to switch ships.

Wait for, wait for it.




Bum, who do you find scummy and why?

On January 20 2014 23:07 suki wrote:
What has bum done that makes him lean town to you?

On January 21 2014 02:35 suki wrote:


kush is leaning towards bum being town because Bum is "questioning the same things about VE's play" that he is.

So kush must be referring to when bum was agreeing with my original case (which was horrible), which pegged VE as scummy. Specifically, bum makes two posts which speak about VE:
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So. Kush agrees (?) that VE doesn't look good because of bum's points. Bum's points are my case. Kush sees Bum as town, but also sees VE as town.

1. He thinks bum is town for bum's reasoning, which is simply an agreement of someone else's case and no further follow-up
2. He thinks VE is town even though he agrees with bum's agreement that VE looks scummy.

I find it hard to believe a town kush would feel that both bum and VE look town to him, based on the reasons he gave. I definitely see a scum kush screwing up like this.

On January 21 2014 03:50 suki wrote:
My thought process: bumatlarge agreed with my initial case against VE. It was pointed out that my case was bad and I had mistakenly thought VE was talking about one topic when he was talking about two. Bumatlarge, having agreed with my post, was now coming under fire from Rayn who asked him to point out the inconsistency.

He then said, he was not expecting all three initial posts to be completely taken out of context. I then posted my townread on bum to back him up because I felt like Rayn was going to attack him on this point and I think it would have been a waste of effort.

In hindsight, Rayn was pressuring bum for answers but not accusing him of scum behaviour and there was no reason to have to back bum up.

On January 21 2014 03:55 suki wrote:
@Rayn
'twisting his words' was too strong a phrase to use. You misrepresented them might be a better choice of words? You stating that bum wasn't providing evidence against VE was incorrect, because he did provide evidence - again, minus the wishy-washiness.

Your point on people saying 'he could be mafia, but then he could also be town' is true and I generally see that as a scum tell. However, I did not get that feeling from bum and especially not so now after reading through some of his past filters.

On January 21 2014 05:52 suki wrote:
Before you vote bum. For no other explanation that you like rayn's post, which amounted to 'bum is being wishy-washy'.

The difference between you and bum is that bum actually scum hunted and made arguments. What about you? All you've done is called out people for being 'bad' and then call them scum for it. The only analysis you've provided is 'This guy is bad at the game therefore he is scummy.'

Your arguments are weak and you just keep repeating the same thing over and over when pressured, which is some variation of OMGUS.

On January 21 2014 05:52 suki wrote:
Before you vote bum. For no other explanation that you like rayn's post, which amounted to 'bum is being wishy-washy'.

The difference between you and bum is that bum actually scum hunted and made arguments. What about you? All you've done is called out people for being 'bad' and then call them scum for it. The only analysis you've provided is 'This guy is bad at the game therefore he is scummy.'

Your arguments are weak and you just keep repeating the same thing over and over when pressured, which is some variation of OMGUS.

On January 21 2014 09:52 suki wrote:
You know what, I agree with you Barristan.

I think Zarepath's case on VE is just a list of points that tries to squeeze out any sort of scumminess. It's weak, but he sounds like he's trying so hard to make it work. His follow up posts are all trying to keep up the pressure on VE.

Compared to the filter linked by Barristan, Zarepath's tone has changed completely. In his previous game filter he had no problem listing off a bunch of people who he thought were scummy, and doing a bunch of analysis. In this game he's only talked about VE and no one else, and VE is not the only suspicious person in this game.

##unvote
##vote Zarepath

I'm going to lay off VE for a bit. Pressuring him is going nowhere and I think he's defended well.

On January 21 2014 10:02 suki wrote:


"Because he (is) probably wrong about you"
VE is accusing WileE of being scum.
Bum thinks WileE is probably town.

-> VE is probably wrong about WileE being scum.

I don't think it's a slip.

If you assume that bum is mafia, then why would he add in 'probably'? To put it another way, if bum had instead said '... he is holding back because he is wrong about you.' that is what I would call a slip, because bum would have just given away the fact that he knows what WileE's alignment is.

On January 21 2014 10:22 suki wrote:
I think Balla is looking more suspicious for not contributing.

I also don't like Jonny's play this game. It's a lot less coherent than our previous game together.

Balla, Jonny: I want to see more activity from both of you. Specifically, your top two scum reads and why.

On January 21 2014 22:49 suki wrote:
Balla
I think Balla's activity is strangely low compared to my last game with him, however reading his filter I feel like his tone is similar to the townie tone that I had in NMM LI. That is, he asks a ton of questions, postures a lot, but doesn't actually press his suspicions. When I was mafia in NMM LI I was actually initially planning to try to get a mislynch on him in Day 3 because I noticed while he pressured a ton of people, he never actually made cases himself.

Of course we ended up shooting him N2 because his pressure was just too good.

My read on Balla right now is neutral, leaning a bit towards town. His tone is more townie to me, and I think his case on Crossfire is characteristic of Balla, because Balla himself likes to jump around (albeit without voting), so he's basically defending his own meta (which isn't showing up this game, strangely). I don't like how he voted Crossfire at the end and then disappeared without any other comments. I want to hear his thoughts on more people.

TLDR: I read Balla as neutral, leaning a bit towards town. Overall tone feels kinda townie, but his lack of activity is suspicious, and his vote on Crossfire followed by disappearance is suspicious. Expect more activity, more pressure Day 2 from him. Do not like him as a Day 1 lynch.

To Balla: Can you please explain maybe in a sentence why there's such a huge change in your activity? And what we can expect from you going forward? Also, reads please. I asked for your top two scum reads earlier and you only talked about Crossfire.

On January 22 2014 02:05 suki wrote:


Bum is really self-conscious throughout the game. I don't like how he stepped off his pressure from VE just because no one was listening to him. If VE was the most scummy person in the game to Bum then he wouldn't have stepped off. If VE wasn't the most scummy, Bum would already have someone in mind who is more scummy and would have posted something I think rather than just disappear.

I'm starting to agree that Bum looks scummy.. but now Zarepath (my number 1 scum pick) has just bandwagoned (or bussed) onto bum?

Hmm.....

On January 22 2014 02:21 suki wrote:
Yeah ok.



Re-reading again, this post reads townie to me. Particularly the part where he points out that his case was ignored, I think for scum it doesn't matter if people listen to their arguments as long as a townie is getting lynched, so pointing out his post reads more town.

Tunneling can be done by town, stretching cases too far is also possible for a really tryhard town.

Zarepath's switch to bum doesn't make sense if both of them are scum. And I agree that bum looks scummy.

##unvote
##vote bumatlarge

On January 22 2014 04:59 suki wrote:

Uh if you're town you push the person you think is the scummiest, regardless if that person is a candidate or not.

If bum is scum, which I think he is, then I don't see scum zarepath voting for bum. It doesn't make sense.

From my point of view either zarepath or bum are scum. It doesn't make sense for both of them to be scum.

On January 22 2014 05:03 suki wrote:
Right now bum looks really bad for pushing such a shitty case on VE, then asking VE questions and when those questions are not answered satisfyingly.... drops the case because nobody's listening to him. The town explanation is he's just frustrated townie not willing to waste any more time.. but if he is, who is more suspicious to him? Why drop your case on your top scum read who hasn't answered any of your questions, when you don't have anyone else who reads scummy to you?

On January 22 2014 06:00 suki wrote:

One other thing I was eyeing was Crossfire's soft defense of Zarepath earlier in the game. Couple this with Zarepath including Crossfire into his list just now (alongside a really stupid desire to lynch WileE)... I think there's a good chance of them being scumbuddies.

##unvote
##vote Zarepath