You've not said a single word to me all game until 10 minutes before the lynch yesterday, and now that I started attacking you.

Just not interested in reading me, then?

BarristanTheBold

Angola89 Posts

January 23 2014 00:14 GMT

#1335

On January 23 2014 08:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
If Zarepath didn't have his Named VT claim, would you consider him the best lynch for today?

No, because I would have lynched him yesterday.

On January 23 2014 08:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
What do you think of Suki? You questioned her about yourself but you didn't reply to her explanation. Did you find her explanation acceptable? What's your read on her?

Her explanation doesn't make much sense, but I don't think she's scum. Too interested/active/particpating. There was no point in continuing the conversation.

On January 23 2014 08:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Why do you think a scumteam with me and him is likely? Do you think it's likely scum would buddy this hard?

What originally set off my scumdar was when you came into the thread during the VE vs bum fight and just started attacking rayn. The timing felt...convenient? And you started attacking VE, which felt like you were just trying to discredit him since you dropped it at the same time you dropped the rayn thing when people weren't talking about bum anymore.

But I will admit, there's a bit more buddying than I remembered when I ctrl+f bum through your filter. WIFOM is WIFOM though, and you just said you "bussed the shit out of your teammates in your last 2 scum games". So you're aware of it and could do the exact opposite.

On January 23 2014 08:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Why did you change your mind on Bum?

See above. Mostly in association with you, although the balla interaction thing was part of it.

BarristanTheBold

Angola89 Posts

January 23 2014 02:14 GMT

#1352

On January 23 2014 10:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Show nested quote +

But why did he ask the question if he doesn't find you suspicious? If he does, then a suspicious answer should result in him pressuring you further. If he doesn't, then even bringing up the question doesn't make sense.

So what you're saying is that if I have someone in my "likely town" column, and they make a bullshit post, that I should let it slide and not point it out because there's no way I could be wrong? Okay, got it.

Sarcasm aside, my point was that her response wasn't particularly satisfactory, but it wasn't scummy enough to overcome the rest of what she's done.

BarristanTheBold

Angola89 Posts

January 23 2014 02:20 GMT

#1356

I will when I get home in ~30 minutes.

BarristanTheBold

Angola89 Posts

January 23 2014 02:25 GMT

#1357

Never mind I'll do it now; this doesn't really need a huge long answer and quotes/etc. I already said the case what solid and I do think there's a reasonable chance that Jonny is scum.

I've just seen too many townies make some logic slip and get lynched for it. What makes this one 100% scum?

Also his anger at rayn felt not totally contrived/fake. Giving up and martyring is bullshit though.

BarristanTheBold

Angola89 Posts

January 23 2014 02:42 GMT

#1359

Oh, my reading comprehension fails. I thought we were discussing his flip-flop on balla, which has already been talked about pretty extensively.

Yea, his flip-flop on zare was super weird too.

I asked him about it:

On January 22 2014 04:22 BarristanTheBold wrote:
Hey Jonny. What changed between:

Show nested quote +

and your vote for him? All that stuff you are voting him for was already in his filter whenever you made this post. Why the very sudden change of heart?

and he said

On January 22 2014 04:39 JonnyLaw wrote:
@barristan because I went back and reread his filter again, and again, and again. Then I went back to where the they fit into the thread and looked at context.

Which is just an answer with no answer, ya know? I dunno, the whole thing felt pretty sketchy, but Zare said something else silly pretty soon after that and I got sucked back into my super-tunnel and forgot about it.

BarristanTheBold

Angola89 Posts

January 23 2014 03:13 GMT

#1365

Aww boo hoo. I've had a bandwagon on me in almost every single game I've ever played as town, and you know how many times I was lynched? 0.

If you quit when someone calls you scum, then maybe mafia isn't the game for you. If you're not scum, you still have 40+ hours to convince everyone.

BarristanTheBold

Angola89 Posts

January 23 2014 03:54 GMT

#1369

On January 23 2014 12:52 DarthPunk wrote:

Shush, you don't get to

your own game!

BarristanTheBold

Angola89 Posts

January 23 2014 04:24 GMT

#1371

The odds say they should probably shoot him?

There are only 2 different possible combinations of mafia members (for shorthand, I will use Goon, GodFather, Roleblocker).

There's either GGR or GFR. Out of the 8 possible setups, GGR and GFR both show up 4 times.

GGR:

8x VT, 1x Parity Cop, 1x Named VT
8x VT, 1x Doc, 1x Named VT
7x VT, 1x Parity Cop, 2x Named VT
7x VT, 1x Doc, 2x Named VT

GFR:

8x VT, 1x Parity Cop, 1x Doc
8x VT, 2x Named VT
7x VT, 1x Parity Cop, 1x Doc, 1x Named VT
7x VT, 3x Named VT

So presuming that scum believe both of the claims that were still in effect by the end of the night, they had either a 50/50 shot of there not being a doc if their team is GFR, or 100% if their team is GGR. Would they shoot with 50/50? I dunno, but it doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility.

BarristanTheBold

Angola89 Posts

January 23 2014 06:47 GMT

#1382

thawny-poo, where are you?

Just because you claimed Boxer doesn't mean you get to run off and throw down a lazy vote and do nothing for the rest of the game.

BarristanTheBold

Angola89 Posts

January 23 2014 06:49 GMT

#1385

ninja'd

BarristanTheBold

Angola89 Posts

January 23 2014 06:51 GMT

#1387

On January 23 2014 15:49 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah I'm just kinda watching things atm

So, why'd you vote balla yesterday? You never mentioned him at all until you voted him, and then you were all of a sudden trying to convince everyone that he was scum. What made you so sure?

BarristanTheBold

Angola89 Posts

January 24 2014 07:30 GMT

#1519

On January 24 2014 15:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
With two named VTs, then there's either ONE of Doc/Cop and no GF or ZERO of Doc/Cop and a GF.

Technically there could be a third named VT that could counterclaim a scum fake doc/cop claim, assuming mafia has a GF.

BarristanTheBold

Angola89 Posts

January 24 2014 07:31 GMT

#1521

bum: my problem with your claim is that hte timing makes absolutely no fucking sense. You don't get any results back until day 3, so why in the hell would you claim right now? It's just mind-bogglingly terrible timing for a real Parity Cop to claim unless you were within an hour of getting lynched.

BarristanTheBold

Angola89 Posts

January 24 2014 07:35 GMT

#1522

@kush: that's not completely true. VE is right, this could be setup D and the cop claim is fake. Or it could be setup B and one of the Boxer claims is fake. Both are still possible.

BarristanTheBold

Angola89 Posts

January 24 2014 07:38 GMT

#1524

Although the likelihood of B is less than D because of the shot on rayne. If one of the Boxer claims was a fake claim, then all scum wouldn't have known if there was a doc or not. Whether they would have taken the shot on the odds or not is debatable.

BarristanTheBold

Angola89 Posts

January 24 2014 07:42 GMT

#1526

Well I think thrawn's claim is weaker than Zare's when it's been confirmed multiple times that scum received fake claims, but yea, for now I believe both of them.

BarristanTheBold

Angola89 Posts

January 24 2014 19:07 GMT

#1642

On January 25 2014 03:46 thrawn2112 wrote:
is anyone townreading VE? for a good reason?

if nobody can answer i think that's a good reason to vote him

I have 2 small things that keep me from giving VE a solid town read.

1) Despite having an 8 page filter, I don't really remember much of what he's done. Fight with bum a lot, but not really a whole lot else.

2) He hasn't really been interacting with me very much. Like he's not given a single opinion about me, which isn't scummy in itself, but I'm a smurf. He's not been digging trying to get a read on me, just letting me lurk around and not do a whole lot.

Despite that, I still have a marginal town read on VE. is arguments with bum felt like the frustrated town VE.

I 'unno, I think it's *possible* VE could be scum, but I don't think we should lynch him today.

BarristanTheBold

Angola89 Posts

January 24 2014 19:23 GMT

#1649

She arleady answered you, VE.

BarristanTheBold

Angola89 Posts

January 24 2014 19:58 GMT

#1662

On January 25 2014 04:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
Wait he's not a named VT claim is he? Where does he do this? I'm so behind