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On January 20 2014 22:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
There isn't much to them. After reading through I can at least say that he weakly agrees that I look bad (though I don't know why) and he believes the boxer claim and he thinks other boxers should not claim.
I wouldn't mind some elaboration on his issue with me.
So here are bumatlarge's posts:
On January 20 2014 17:32 bumatlarge wrote:
We'll, No one else should claim. One named VT doesn't actually tell us or the mafia anything. I have my doubts that Wile is lying unless he's being a very intentionally hard to understand smurf. "Chez" or no, it doesn't hurt that bad. Anyone voting for him for that reason is being awfully hasty.
green: believes claim
red: says claim is fake
which is it?
On January 20 2014 18:23 bumatlarge wrote:
I'm assuming boxer means Named VT?
This is a question that has been answered twice in the thread already.
Useless "contribution" or not even reading the thread.
On January 20 2014 18:29 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 13:02 suki wrote:On January 20 2014 09:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's dumb because of what rayn said - you're literally saying "Anyone who claims blue is immune to the lynch". Literally. What is stopping scum from just claiming blue whenever they're on the block? On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role. On January 20 2014 10:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
2 is pretty potent in my opinion. If you don't believe me, take a look at Kush's plan. He wants to make blues IMMUNE to the lynch. So is kush's plan dumb? Or do you think it could help us in the future and there's a reason that's pretty potent? Or are you just indifferent to the whole matter? On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim.
Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions. Inconsistent views on kush's plan (he think's it's dumb / sees arguments for it / is mostly indifferent). Wishy-washy. And I just hate the bolded red line in general. ##unvote##vote VisceraEyes The scum hunt is strong with this one. I'd like VE to explain his thought process on the first part, he seems to be changing his mind mid post, then it would make more sense as town.
Scum hunting is not strong with that one. The first part is entirely false and that's all he's talking about.
On January 20 2014 18:33 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 17:48 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On January 20 2014 14:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Vote Wile E
His little act about not knowing what a boxer is does not really jive with the claim. Add to that the fact that he claimed 5 hours into the game after being very clear about how he feels about boxers claiming, and it all just looks bad. This is a logical reaction. I disagree, the only reason you think it's reasonable is because he is holding back because he probably wrong about you. I'm just working out what I can remember from VE if he posts like this as town.
Again implying the claim is true, and now he is not really suspicious of VE in the end.
TLDR;
Here's what bum's posts say this far
- Does believe the claim but does not believe the claim
- Says VE is scummy but VE is not necessarily scummy
- Asks a question that's been answered 2 times already.
##Vote: bumatlarge
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On January 20 2014 22:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't believe the claim. He said he doesn't think boxers should claim and immediately claims? He was either lying then or he is lying now... his play makes more sense if he is scum.
There is no way Slam is fakeclaiming. It makes no sense at all as he does not even understand what i was accusing him of and it just does not make sense at all..
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Yeah that all looks really bad.
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in that red part bum is saying he DOUBTS wiley is lying. so he still believes the claim in that sentence.
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@ve if he's lying he will be easy to catch later. Why would you want to lynch someone now when we can verify their role later?
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On January 20 2014 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 22:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't believe the claim. He said he doesn't think boxers should claim and immediately claims? He was either lying then or he is lying now... his play makes more sense if he is scum. There is no way Slam is fakeclaiming. It makes no sense at all as he does not even understand what i was accusing him of and it just does not make sense at all..
Dude he was absolutely against boxers claiming and claimed on TWO VOTES. After someone is on record saying we should NOT EVER lynch blue claims.
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VE i don't think we shoudl NOT EVER lynch them. I think we should wait for mylo to lynch them lol.
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Kish I'm open to suggestions. If you think someone is a better lynch then convince me. Its called playing Mafia! :D
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On January 20 2014 22:46 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 20 2014 22:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't believe the claim. He said he doesn't think boxers should claim and immediately claims? He was either lying then or he is lying now... his play makes more sense if he is scum. There is no way Slam is fakeclaiming. It makes no sense at all as he does not even understand what i was accusing him of and it just does not make sense at all.. Dude he was absolutely against boxers claiming and claimed on TWO VOTES. After someone is on record saying we should NOT EVER lynch blue claims.
I don't see why would he do that as scum. Like do you think he straight up paniced 5 hours into the game and just fucked up as mafia and didn't think anything at all, or do you think he has no fucking clue what's going on as town, like he usually is?
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On January 20 2014 22:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
Kish I'm open to suggestions. If you think someone is a better lynch then convince me. Its called playing Mafia! :D
k how about you vote yourself for voting for the confirmed town role.
TRUE or false, it is dumb for scum to claim boxer? True
I don't care how hypocritical he is being by claiming. Town can be very hypocritical. You know this right?
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I think Rayn is stretching a bit with his conclusions but that he's pointed out Bum's general attitude this far: Bum is sitting on the fence in general, and he's not contributing to scum hunting.
Bum, who do you find scummy and why?
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Kish look me in the balls and tell me you don't think that as town if I don't believe a claim that I wouldn't vote for it if I think it is scum.
It is not dumb for scum to claim Named VT, they are supposed to claim SOMETHING other than Mafia, yes?
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Like the sentiment is such that Boxers shouldn't claim so if he is scum he doesn't even have to worry about a counter claim because it wouldn't tell us anything anyway. Nothing about the claim makes him confirmed town.
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Oops okay, i misread the red colored part so ignore that. However it does not really matter as that's not really any sort of contribution as it says nothing useful.
VE, scum don't need to claim anything at all at this point of the game. Why do you think that's the case?
kush why am i town?
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You're dodging the issue completely VE and posting useless fluff. Try answering again.
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On January 20 2014 22:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Kish look me in the balls and tell me you don't think that as town if I don't believe a claim that I wouldn't vote for it if I think it is scum.
It is not dumb for scum to claim Named VT, they are supposed to claim SOMETHING other than Mafia, yes?
your first sentence is the hardest thing ive ever had to read. i gave up trying.
scum have to claim VT or they will get fucked by counter claims. Therefore it's really dumb to claim boxer, because once all the boxers claim, we will know that one of the boxers is scum.
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No, stop that stupid line of questions, who cares about whether or not it's advantageous for scum to claim VT or boxer or whatever. It's not the action that's important it's the motivation.
On January 20 2014 22:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't see why would he do that as scum. Like do you think he straight up paniced 5 hours into the game and just fucked up as mafia and didn't think anything at all, or do you think he has no fucking clue what's going on as town, like he usually is?
This. Answer this question VE.
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They won't get tucked by counterclaims because a counterclaim doesn't mean anything as there can be more than one Boxer. So there aren't going to be any counterclaims. So when is this magical moment when we suddenly know who all the boxers are Kish?
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Ski I'm literally ignoring your posts friend. If you have an actual accusation I'll respond to that.
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