[M][N] "SMB" Mini Mafia

On January 16 2014 16:21 Oatsmaster wrote:

whos scum?

On January 16 2014 16:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
twe3k pls why do you do this???

Thrawn, when did you reread this 10 page thread? And what exactly makes Rayn the scummiest guy in the room?

On January 16 2014 09:27 Sn0_Man wrote:
Its my first mafia game in monthsssssss

PS since when does kush do like reads and shit 15 mins into a mafia game?

On January 16 2014 10:21 Sn0_Man wrote:

What how come this never happens in my games?

I don't think i've ever lynched scum day 1...

On January 16 2014 12:12 Sn0_Man wrote:
"How to pressure; A guide by Hopeless"
1) Vote ur target
2) Tell them to post seals and abandon thread
3) Flame their play
+ Show Spoiler [1] +
+ Show Spoiler [2] +
+ Show Spoiler [3] +
No need for much else

On January 16 2014 10:25 Sn0_Man wrote:
I dunno it sounds incredibly stupid to waltz into a thread as scum and blatantly announce that you are lurking and avoiding contributing.

Admittedly, still stupid to do as town, but less so.

On January 16 2014 17:12 thrawn2112 wrote:
Hey Skanjab1s, why are you being silent for all of this?

On January 16 2014 18:07 thrawn2112 wrote:


What do you think about Oats and Thrawn

On January 16 2014 18:09 Koshi wrote:
Mr. Evil Snowman so scummy.

Why are you not trolling with Grack Skanjab1s?

On January 16 2014 18:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
##unvote



I think what you said here:

"- His "let's lynch the host" thing, while being a joke, shows a deep lack of desire for actually wanting to find scum. "

is quite possibly the scummiest thing in the thread. A "deep lack of desire," are you serious? That reeks of exaggeration and propaganda based writing.

On January 16 2014 18:44 thrawn2112 wrote:


Apart from what I pointed out, what irks me the most about skan's case is that it looks exactly like a scum's "I'm going to read this filter and point out every single 'scumtell' I can" type of case. I don't see any thought process behind the case, it all looks very robotic. (scum going through the motions of writing a case) Nowhere in the case does he stop to consider reasons why sn0man might be town, which is something that townies generally do even if they are experiencing confirmation bias. He obviously read sn0's filter knowing that he wanted to scum-read sn0_man, and wrote a bunch of exxaggerated propaganda to prove his point.

On January 16 2014 19:16 thrawn2112 wrote:


yes, but have you done this?

On January 16 2014 21:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is that? There is only one answer to that question.

On January 16 2014 23:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The case is not a case. It's a couple of posts and made up reasons why they are scummy.

On January 16 2014 23:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also Skanjab1s seems to be deliberately choosing which posts to respond to and which posts not to.

On January 16 2014 23:14 Hopeless1der wrote:
skanjab what was the first thing about sn0 that tipped you off that he was totes scum?

rayn, any thoughts on grack?

On January 16 2014 22:02 Koshi wrote:
I hope it is relevant. Otherwise why you ask those questions?

On January 16 2014 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Skanjab1s, expand on your case. Tell me why what Sn0 has done is more likely to come from scum than from a townie. That's not clearly seen from your case, why do those things you pointed out come from scum and not from town?

Also there is only one important question to you. It's about your questionnaire, which was bad. Sooner or later you need to explain why you decided to do a bad questionnaire which can't possibly help you find mafia.

On January 17 2014 00:06 Hopeless1der wrote:
your questionnaire was stupid and a waste of time both to post and respond to.

On January 17 2014 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For someone who has Sn0 as this top suspect and has read Sn0's posts carefully this accusation should not be possible:


Like this is what Sn0 says:

If someone consideres this as "incredibly tentative, careful comment" then i don't know what to say.

So, i stand by my words that Skanjab1s is just making shit up.

On January 17 2014 00:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:

But you were, because you said all of his contributions....
Why are you changing your story?

I don't have a read on Hopeless yet.

On January 17 2014 00:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:

So if i take one or two posts of yours where you don't say much can i say "Skanjabs has not contributed anything at all".
Does that sound like i would not be twisting what has actually happened?

On January 17 2014 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:

You literally fucking said "His contributions are all incredibly tentative, careful comments that make sure to not outright accuse anyone.". How am i supposed to read that?

That's like quoting posts where someone defends themself and saying "this guy is not scumhunting". That's fucking twisting the facts.

On January 17 2014 00:58 Hopeless1der wrote:
All skan has done is post that stupid questionnaire and then opt out of discussion until everyone answers him he's so scummy #scumhunting.

On January 17 2014 00:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's selectively reading one's posts and twisting the facts to fit your case.
That's what it is, not scumhunting and figuring out one's alignment.

Now i am going to see if you were this stupid in Hogwarts game and if you were not you die.

On January 17 2014 01:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
That is the basic idea behind what rayn is saying you did skanjab. And here you are maintaining that your case is legit and sn0 is totes scum for joking about lynching the host when there were basically no posts in thread.

On January 17 2014 01:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ugh.. this is gonna be really hard to figure out because Skanjab1s made a terrible terrible case on yamato in Hogwarts aswell.
As sad it is he could do this as town..

On January 17 2014 01:03 Hopeless1der wrote:
Yes I was intentionally lying skan, see my followup post.

I find it hilarious you think rayn CANT get you lynched. Trololol

On January 17 2014 01:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:

That is the fucking only point that even can be relevant in your case because other point is "Sn0 is scummy for joking 5min into the game".

On January 17 2014 01:10 Sn0_Man wrote:

This sounds a lot like "I intentionally made a worthless case cuz its my town meta and I gotta match that".

Which sounds a lot like scum :/

On January 17 2014 01:09 Hopeless1der wrote:
No skan, I'm saying my bullshit case on you is of the same calibre as your case on sn0. The level of bullshit is what rayn called out I.e. you can't use the word All and then leave out the points that don't support or directly contradict you.

On January 17 2014 01:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:

You have 3 points in your case:
(1) Sno is joking 5min into the game, somehow this is scummy
(2) Sno calls out kushmasta, somehow this is scummy
(3) These contributions above are scummy because he is not really calling anyone scum (while he has in fact called Hopeless scum just a while ago).

The point (3) is the only one which can be even considered to be scummy (not contributing towards scumhunting) and even that point is totally incorrect given that Sn0 has made a post about why he thinks Hopeless is mafia and that posts was not wishy-washy at all.

So, what the fuck is your case about for real?

On January 17 2014 01:21 Sn0_Man wrote:
Well I was starting to think that you might have just been trying to get the thread moving and fishing for responses, which would be quite understandable, but instead it seems that you actually think I'm scum or something.

Jeeeeez.

On January 17 2014 01:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:

(1) Bullshit. it's the first post in the game. how can Sn0 possibly be scumhunting in the first post in the game?
(2) Why is this? Do you think kush's accusation was worth answering and if so why is that? kush is the one who comes looking scummy for that argument because he is tryharding to make something out of nothing.

On January 17 2014 01:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like Skanjabs that's the only point i get from your case to some extent now.
I still think other reasons for calling Sn0 scum are bad or straight out wrong.

On January 17 2014 03:36 kushm4sta wrote:


yeah i think you are town.

On January 17 2014 04:36 Hopeless1der wrote:
Toad, rayn has already explained at great length why skanjabs case is bad and how it could indicate a mafia mindset. He then went and read Hogwarts and concluded that skanjab is bad. The reasons are there if you choose to read them. Are you still in catch up mode or something? You're constantly not reading the thread properly.

On January 17 2014 04:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:

That's not what i said.

On January 17 2014 04:55 Hopeless1der wrote:

Stop the personal attacks

On January 16 2014 19:30 Skanjab1s wrote:


Yes, and I still find the things he has done to be quite scummy.

Could you please stop ignoring my questions thrawn?

On January 16 2014 19:39 thrawn2112 wrote:
later. . . need to pass out

On January 17 2014 20:59 Koshi wrote:
It is you that has a quote as town in this thread that says "hey rayn who can I sheep because you are my townread". Now you say that no townie does that.

On January 17 2014 21:02 Koshi wrote:

ok nvm it is different. You are still scum.

On January 18 2014 04:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
I told Toad there was no basis for his (meta?) read on sn0 since sn0 has never rolled scum. Using the reasoning that wishywashy statements come from scum doesn't apply to sn0 since in every town game he's played, he has similar statements. He pulls one post from WC2 when at MYLO (LYLO?) sn0 finally has to play (so did I if you remember correctly, it was my case sn0 was responding to) after days of information. There is again, no reasonable comparison to this game the way Toad has framed his case.

He goes on to say how I'm the only other player thats 'yellow/orange' on his sheet when we have Grack doing nothing, cephiro being afk. Toad is opportunistically trying to bandwagon on me and doesnt give a shit about pushing anyone because both me and sn0 are mislynch targets, and I was leading the votes.

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skanjab is a weaker read but basically his case on sn0 was garbage and his followup explaining the way he makes his cases is using scummy and selective reasoning.

On January 18 2014 05:15 Hopeless1der wrote:

"Look at these posts I quoted. They are scummy for Reason A. Therefore the player is scummy for Reason A.
NO!! Do not read those other posts that disagree with Reason A. They aren't important. Read the posts I quoted and only those posts. Those are the scummy ones. Read those. No guys stop looking at the entire filter. You only need to look at what I showed you. I clearly explained why the posts I quoted are scummy. That means that player is scummy. You don't need to know anything else."

On January 18 2014 09:11 thrawn2112 wrote:


how did the flip affect your reads? what was your immediate reaction to seeing the flip?

On January 18 2014 21:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You can't say Grackaroni flipping town makes Hopeless more likely to be scum if you are town because if that is the case you did believe Grack is scum - so him being a wagon does not make Hopeless mafia, because other townies (like you) thought he is scum too. Therefore, if you did not think Grack is town before the flip you can't make the connection argument. It's only possible if you know/think Grack is town before the flip and you didn't think so because you did not say so. If you had thought so, you would have tried to prevent a mislynch before it happened.

No, that's not how townies make cases. You don't need to "try to find something scummy", you read the thread and notice scummy things and then you point them out. Not go to someone's filter and try to find something scummy..

If you do that as town that's probably why you are bad.

On January 18 2014 21:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Skanjabs, tell me who did save Hopeless and what are the bullshit arguments Grack was lynched with?

On January 19 2014 09:14 Hopeless1der wrote:
##DoubleLynch

If I'm reading this correctly cephiro is a day-vig or is scum. I'm in the process of rereading things. Skanjab has damn near claimed SK and while he could just be joking about it I greatly dislike having to second guess someone who is wearing a "Lynch me" sign. Toad is being "framed" by the SK in my opinion. Not sure how that is going to play out as I still think Toad is scummy.

On January 20 2014 00:33 Toadesstern wrote:
His most recent post. Suddenly ska reappears on the list. I'm still his lynch candidate but Ska/Oats are STILL his more scummy suspects as he keeps on pondering about those instead. Despite saying though his vote is still firmly on me. And as you might have figured, still no fucking reasoning for anything.

On January 20 2014 04:58 VayneAuthority wrote:
I think we lynch skanjab at this point, he looks mad that toad had an out in a role while rayn is going more logically about debunking his claim and trying to figure stuff out. skanjab just gets mad and leaves.

##vote: skanjab

On January 20 2014 07:07 Mig wrote:
Skan what happened to hopeless. You were more confident after the lynch that it made him mafia. What changed.

On January 20 2014 08:58 VayneAuthority wrote:


why would mafia kill him if you announce that you will just lynch him if he doesnt die lmao

On January 20 2014 09:13 VayneAuthority wrote:
there's so much wrong with that I don't know where to begin. If you make the assumption he is mafia, there are many things that can happen.

they simply RB some one else, knowing the claim isn't real. He brings in a fake check tomorrow

They "RB" him

The claim is real and they RB him (the most normal scenario)

the claim is real and they RB some one else for WIFOM

etc. etc. I dont follow your logic basically because if mafia was that easy then no one would play this boring ass game.

On January 21 2014 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I don't care. If Toad gave up as town he is a fucking idiot. Doesn't change the fact there is no reason to give up as town.

On January 21 2014 00:38 Sn0_Man wrote:
After reading that little hate-fest and claim I understand toad even less than yesterday but I'm having a hard time calling him a good lynch. What kind of mafia fake-claims with like 2 votes on them and 12 hours to lynch?

Right now Oats and Skanjab are looking scummiest, I'd like to lynch one of them.

I promise this isn't pure OMGUS, but all Oats has done this last day is flame and discredit the shit outta rayn without actually trying to find scum. Then he's like "Lynch Sn0" without reasons simply cuz I'm not here to defend myself. Zero scumhunting or effort, just aiming for an easy target he can safely back off of once I'm back.

On January 21 2014 00:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No, if he is mafia there is not a single reason to not lynch him.

On January 21 2014 00:48 Sn0_Man wrote:

Because every time you pop in the thread its to be blendy and point out some irrelevancy without actually scumhunting.

Who is scum Skanjab? Oh right, its me the safe vote that your scumbuddy oats has already put on the table. Why? "Sheepiness pre vote" give me a break. If you want to accuse me, at least try to make a case. I wanted CONSOLIDATION in the lynch. Something that scum couldn't just pull whatever way they wanted.

Meanwhile the rest of your posts range from

to

So helpful in catching scum. Clearly that is your primary desire.

PS why did you drop your hopeless read? You were so certain he was scum post grack's flip. What changed?

None of that comes from town.

On January 21 2014 00:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:

So you believe there is a chance that he is town, but if he does not get roleblocked or die the next night he is mafia.
What do you suggest we do if on D3 Toad comes in and says "i checked X and him and Hopeless are different"?

On January 21 2014 01:24 Sn0_Man wrote:

You guys have both spend the entire game posting 1-line snipes that are pretty much dedicated to starting flame-wars and self-defense. Zero scumhunting. There's nothing to quote from your filters because there's nothing in them. Skanjab's day 1 case is the only thing worth mentioning and it's ridiculous garbage built on nothing day 1. Doesn't count as scumhunting, does count as trying to look good.

You in particular oats, your main contributions were "huge flame war with thrawn" -> lurk "huge flame war with rayn". I fail to see how town!Oats does that exclusively instead of actually scumhunting. Your "lynch rayn" case boiled down to "he thinks i'm scum lol" no other reasons. Plus you dropped it in seconds as soon as I showed up.

Toad I still don't get but I don't want to lynch uncountered cop claim see above.
Hopeless does have a vet claim and his posts struck me as better going through the thread. If there's a serious push to lynch him as I mentioned I can go back and re-read his filter specifically. However, I don't feel the need to do that when you two are so clearly scum.

On January 21 2014 02:48 Sn0_Man wrote:
Talking about when they got me to swap to hopeless dumbass.

Kush shortly thereafter went apeshit but for a while he made sense. So I voted hopeless.

On January 18 2014 01:56 Sn0_Man wrote:
Kush have you read me at all this game?

On January 18 2014 05:42 Sn0_Man wrote:

Uh, the only thing that could possibly defend him is that point, which you just listed as "null". Beyond that its all scum.

On January 18 2014 06:03 Sn0_Man wrote:
No he still isn't doing shit he's just pretending that he has an excuse for not doing shit cuz kush gave him one.

On January 21 2014 15:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
what exactly is it that I'm supposed to be reading that I havent?

On January 21 2014 18:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
What about Koshi, Vayne and Twe3k?

On January 21 2014 18:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
OH SHIT SCUM KILLED KUSH CAUSE KUSH KNOWS HOW TO READ SKANJAB AND THEY WERE SCARED.

On January 21 2014 23:28 Koshi wrote:
If I was SK I would have shot scum N1. Kush sounds about right :D
Think I would have shot Oats though. Or Cephiro.

IF I was SK.

On January 22 2014 18:29 Koshi wrote:

Explain to me how Snow and VA are scum together which you seem to think?

On January 26 2014 03:00 Hopeless1der wrote:

oats isnt game-mechanically confirmed scum like skan is.

On January 26 2014 02:47 VayneAuthority wrote:


first interaction between them, complete joking and doesn't take it seriously at all, because he doesn't need to. It is scum on scum and he even warns him on how to play in his last sentence, protecting him from doing something scummy.

He knows he is trying to match his town meta here because he is aware he is scum, notice now he never follows up at all on this. It's just one of their many soft pushes that never amount to anything.

Important to note here that they never converse again for the rest of day 1 once they are concentrated on getting the grack lynch. Oats voted for Koshi day 1! who did they vote for? sn0 with a wish washy stance drops his vote on grack and skanjab has his vote uselessly on hopeless at that point. also take a look at this post :



skanjab mysteriously missing from this list, I guess he doesn't need to read him or comment about him. Oh wait...

At this point hasn't conversed with or spoken of skanjab of ages but then he is randomly back on his scummiest list. The old 1 town/1 scum lynch prospects, never gets old. Keep in mind we now know at this point that Oats wanted koshi dead and he wants sn0 dead too. obviously he wants oats to die and has to make up some bs reasons. Now do a double take and realize that he never gives any explanation for his skanjab read. lol?



Does anybody actually remember these pushes of theirs on each other? cause I sure as hell don't. They probably realize in their scum QT that their interactions look pretty dumb with zero reasoning from either side so they try and get fake angry and have a little bitch fight that lasts a whole...one post. Solid discussion right there.

Now compare that to a case he makes on Oats a bit after and his interaction with him. Nuff said, it is clearly quite different.

"couldnt decide what was the better playing, bussing for town cred later or just voting for the townie"

I could go on but I think I made my point here, although I am not the best at making cases.

On January 26 2014 03:08 Skanjab1s wrote:


Please explain how I am game-mechanically confirmed scum.

Please. I'm begging you.

On January 27 2014 09:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't think there was anything wrong with Koshi's or Sn0's D1 play. I think Sn0 played pretty well. Of course he could have played better but that's how he plays town usually - at least early on. Vayne was really scummy for me for his reads on me and Koshi but no can do when Oats refuses to do anything but say "no you" and Skan does the anti-town possible vote forcing on D3 and only references his case from D1 after that.

On January 27 2014 10:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
Well grack self voting and afking, an arbitrary cop claim from toad+ afking. Oats and skan literally "no u" for a good portion of the game.

This was a solid example of what NOT to do when you are town.