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1) I had the same thoughts as skan when reading sno's response to kush's question about why he seems so happy. Most townies just ignore it or dismiss it, instead of providing a real answer (which felt kind of like bs btw). 2) These posts he makes back to back On January 17 2014 01:10 Sn0_Man wrote: This sounds a lot like "I intentionally made a worthless case cuz its my town meta and I gotta match that". Which sounds a lot like scum :/ On January 17 2014 01:21 Sn0_Man wrote: Well I was starting to think that you might have just been trying to get the thread moving and fishing for responses, which would be quite understandable, but instead it seems that you actually think I'm scum or something. Jeeeeez. In the initial post he very weakly accuses skan of possibly being mafia. Also, this is probably nothing but the stupid :/ face there doesn't really fit for a townie mindset in my eyes. If you think someone is doing something scummy why use the wishy washy face. The very next post he then implies that skan is town when he says that skan actually thinks he is scum. This doesn't really make sense unless he is mafia and already knows skan is town. #vote Sno | ||
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On January 17 2014 03:56 Sn0_Man wrote: At least Mig is here and playing finally. I believe that means everybody has posted at least once. Also, not even sure why you mentioned this. A lot of the things you say feel fake to me. Saying you were "hoping for a productive day1". We arent even 24 hours in yet. Just feels like bs. | ||
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On January 17 2014 04:13 Sn0_Man wrote: Cases on me are always such bullshit. "Omg Sn0 joked about lynching the host cuz he fucked up the daypost. Obvious scum too much flippancy" followed by "Omg Sn0 insufficiently flippant this game. Obvious scum too much srs" get real. This post looks better but a bit concerning you only show the confidence after I called you out on it. On November 06 2013 03:51 Sn0_Man wrote: PS of course we aren't lynching me I've A) never rolled scum B) only been mislynched once. At lylo. Due to rayn being rayn and onegu being fucking op as scum. Day 1s are always awful for me tho since how the hell should I know who scum is? On November 05 2013 03:35 Sn0_Man wrote: I dont do stuff D1 WoS you silly person you. Just looking at your responses to pressure from witchcraft, before this post you seemed so much weaker/hesitant when called out. | ||
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Half your defense of him was this Because this is exactly what he does as town. And then you called my case against him bullshit when I actually posted quotes from his previous game, that look very different to this game. Touch hypocritical? | ||
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On January 17 2014 04:40 Sn0_Man wrote: Tell you what mig, even if you are certain I'm scum there are at least 2 more scum out there plus or minus a serial killer. Who else is anti-town and why? You've jumped into the thread and spoke of nothing except "omg sno scum lynchzorz". I'd like something more to read YOU by if you would be so kind. I mentioned grack already. The longer he sits back while the focus is elsewhere the worse he looks. Not a fan of cephiro either, his vt claim while doing nothing is bad Kush is tricky and I am pretty unsure of him. Jumping into the thread and immediately attacking people seems pretty strange for him, but I know in the past hes said he has a hard time as mafia finding things to attack and he generally just makes town reads. Meh, I would certainly watch him. | ||
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Try to keep the hypocrisy in check thanks. | ||
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On January 17 2014 05:06 Sn0_Man wrote: OK come on. I've been posting, pointing out inconsistencies that I see, demonstrably showing how my reads are developing on Hopeless, Skanjab, etc. I haven't exactly nailed scum yet but I'm trying to be transparent and keep the thread moving in a positive direction. You drop into the thread, blast the current most popular target, then toss out "oh yeah and those 2 lurkers must be the other scum cuz I'm too lazy to come up with anything else". I would say the case I presented against you had a lot more depth than anything you have posted. For one thing, I actually did some research into a past game. You happened to be the most popular target so what? Do you believe that is why I am posting against you? Or do you think I genuinely believe what I am posting? I am actually trying to find scum here instead of saying I would lynch grack because he's a lurker. For other people what do you want. It is day1, sorry I don't have the entire scum team figured out. I am still open to discussing people which is why I am still talking to you and rayn/hopleess/etc | ||
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Read my posts and ask yourself a few questions 1) even if you disagree with my conclusion is the logic behind my posts faulty? 2) Am I stretching things to make my case fit or does it look like I am actually looking for evidence for who is scum? 3) do you think I genuinely believe what I say in my posts? One of the reasons I am caught whenever I play mafia is because I am a shitty liar and it is hard for me to fake things. Koshi your meta argument is garbage and factually incorrect. 1) I did raise unique points about sno, see my points about his stance on skan and how I actually went and read wc2 (which I don't think very many of you did obviously). 2) Last game I gave reads on a bunch of people at once and this one I attacked one person and that makes me scum? Huh? How about looking at my scum games for meta proof instead of trying to meta me off my last town game where I made about 3 posts. | ||
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Other reads Grack continues to provide nothing, he makes a post against koshi but doesn't push him at all. Grack is smart enough to know that his 1 post voting for koshi would not be enough to get him lynched. But he puts no effort into following it up. This combined with his complete lack of activity early trolling is very scummy. Rayn is pretty much 99% town. Oats/thrawn I think are both very likely town. hopeless - I have gone back and forth on. He is trolling/unhelpful. He seemed much more helpful as town in white flag mafia. But some of his posts are so brazen I wonder if he would be ballsy enough to make them as scum. Specifically this post no one will follow through and will probably try to lynch me, but here's my thought process option a) kush flips scum option b) rayn takes a hit to his ego option b2) rayn dies for being wrong (haha smd) Obviously this is incredibly anti town. But would mafia risk saying it in thread? | ||
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On January 18 2014 00:57 thrawn2112 wrote: Did you read any of the Time to Die stuff? Hopeless can be fairly brazen as scum. Esp in Pandain's mason logs Ok I just read it, definitely see some similarities On November 23 2013 03:52 Hopeless1der wrote: I...um...yes. ##Unvote: BC ##Vote: supersoft Sheeping rayn in both games to switch from a stronger case to a weaker one, while not giving any real reasons behind it. | ||
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I am good with lynching 1 of hopeless/grack, really not sure yet which is optimal. Pretty sure I was wrong about sno, a lot of his recent posts look good. | ||
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On January 18 2014 07:33 Grackaroni wrote: Koshi could easily qualify as the most try-hard player on this site. Are you going to actually write up any reasons for why koshi is mafia? And really disagree with this, at least in my experience. | ||
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On January 18 2014 08:20 thrawn2112 wrote: not the joking around stuff. but his statement that koshi likes to sheep on D1 and doesn't make big original D1 cases is very accurate frim what I remember. i think that's the first formal "case" i've ever seen him make That is true, I pretty much never see koshi make cases. But does he make cases as scum or is he just doing a random different thing as town. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=267#5335 Case day1 by koshi. | ||
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Unvote ## ##Vote Grack | ||
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Regardless, Toad is not the best lynch. 1) hes been pretty active, isn't proof that hes town but is a decent indicator usually. 2) Mafia don't usually fake claim like this in a small setup. If he was going to fake claim why do it this early? Better to wait until it was almost lynch then fake claim. Usually it is stupid/emotional townies who claim this early. Also if he were mafia he risks someone counter claiming and just lynching him. Unless he/vayne are both mafia so they planned for vayne to immediately tell people not to counter claim. Anyway with 3 mafia alive, seems better to lynch someone else and maybe mafia will just shoot toad tonight. | ||
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On January 19 2014 22:03 Koshi wrote: Or SK. Therefore he didn't give reads because he knew he wasn't going to be shot. Or he even has vest. I will check how many times toad gives reads when town on the night deadline. Did you ever check this koshi? | ||
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Rayn is like 99% town. So if we ignore toad/vayn. Probably should be ignoring hopeless just based on the fact that 0 blues have flipped and if town doesn't have any medics (I am assuming this unless they are retarded and didn't protect thrawn/kush. Guess it is possible they protected rayn). But anyway would make sense for town to have vets. Possible that hopeless could be sk and took the bp option still btw but useless to consider for now. So what we have ceph/sno/skan/koshi/oats. I am just going to be honest, I don't really know who is mafia. I looked back through skan's games and he doesn't have any as mafia so wasn't a lot of help. Rayn are you confident koshi is town? I asked you this earlier and don't think you answered it. | ||
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Anyway I am reading his filter and pyp's for comparison now. | ||
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Toad answer my question please. | ||
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On January 20 2014 07:58 Koshi wrote: Mig, can you comment on the Cephiro case? It is wrong and I am town. What exactly do you want me to comment on. | ||
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I was trying to narrow people down through poe on who would give the highest % chance of being mafia. Could hopeless still be mafia? Yes but he at least had something going for him which most people don't. | ||
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Hopeless - the claim + how the voting went down towards the end of the day points more towards either being town or sk to me. Like I said he could still be mafia but it was enough for me to ignore him for now. | ||
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On January 21 2014 00:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is no reason Toad should be town. He thinks i am mafia so he gives up as town cop when mafia accuses him of being mafia.. If that's the case he is playing against his wincon. Thoughts on Oats, go. There is a chance that Toad changed his read on you from mafia to stupid townie and then was so frustrated he quit. This would not be the first time a townie has raged at you haha. My question is toad the type of guy who would get emotional and quit as mafia or is he the type of guy more likely to do it as town? This is something we need to be discussing. If there is a sk and he shoots town tonight and toad is town then the game is essentially over. And look at how dead the thread is. Nobody besides me even wants to talk about shit. | ||
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If Toad is actually a town cop and he doesn't come back then 100% he should receive a ban for rage quitting and not playing for his wincon. There is no possible way that voting for yourself then afking less than 24h into day2 as the town cop is correct play. It is just a rage quit/sabotaging your own team. Going to vote Toad and just assume he isn't that huge of a dick. ##vote Toad | ||
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For him to be mafia he would need to put a lot of effort into this game (10 page filter with a bunch of long posts) THEN fake claim cop less than 24 h into the day (which virtually never happens) THEN martyr himself and never return. Why would mafia ever do this? The game has been going amazing for them. All Toad needed to do to survive was to post a few times. If he were mafia, he wouldn't be emotional and I don't think he would just abandon his team like this. It just seems to incredibly unlikely. ##Unvote | ||
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1) are people more likely to get emotional as townies or Mafia? 2) It is a lot tougher to quit on a team when your teammates can actually contact and talk to you. I mean you are saying this is a purposeful mafia strategy. So mafia really planned for him to fake claim cop (when he had no clue if anyone would counter claim) then just give up? How does that make sense as a mafia strategy. All toad had to do to survive was not vote himself and post a few times and enough people wouldn't want to lynch a claimed cop. And if he were mafia and saw the martyr wasnt working, wouldn't he come back and try to survive? The way toad is playing is throwing the game whether he is mafia or town and it is way more likely for a townie to throw than mafia. | ||
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And I know that I am town and I am the only one still reconsidering 1.5 hours before lynch. What none of his teammates even try to save him? | ||
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Oats raises some decent points, I feel like at the very least sno has been bullshitting/overstating his reads and hes been crazy wishy washy. Combined with my earlier suspicions and the fact that the Toad lynch is bad. | ||
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It really wasn't his only out. After claiming there was no reason for him to martyr himself. He only had 2 votes! The town would not be lynching him if he just kept posting. | ||
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On January 21 2014 07:35 Hopeless1der wrote: This point just doesnt clear with me when he was so supportive on NOT letting Rayn die for no reason with respect to kush's flip. I have no idea what you mean by this. | ||
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I just find it hard to believe he would martyr right after pulling a huge dt fake claim and then never return. If you are going to plan out a fake claim (his breadcrumbs/talking about millers) are you also going to martyr right after it? Seems like the martyr was an emotional reaction and that is way more common for a townie than mafia. | ||
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Since you simply ignore this fact cephiro it means you are either mafia or you have the playing ability of a bag of dirty socks. I don't really know which is the case unfortunately. | ||
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Mafia can also call me scum but I will just say you guys played well this game. | ||
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On January 21 2014 10:54 VayneAuthority wrote: what is the case on oats btw at this point? would he really argue vehemently against toad lynch and push sno as scum or would he just sit there and do nothing. I feel the latter is more likely and don't really want to lynch oats. I am pretty much agree with this. Would have been the easiest time ever for mafia to just sit back and do nothing. Can't say oats is 100% town or anything from it but seems like there should be better lynch choices for the next one. | ||
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On January 21 2014 10:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i know what you mean and where you are coming from but i refuse to lose to mafia who does tooscummytobescum things and banks on people buying them being town just because of it. There was no reason for Toad to get lynched if he had just played. Seriously, the dude quit the game because a person he thought is mafia was accusing him of being mafia and he had 2 votes on him. What townie QUITS THE GAME in that situation? When irrational stupid stuff happens then very very often it is from a townie. Townies get emotional when they are arguing and they do ridiculous things. It is a pretty reliable tell honestly. | ||
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I played pretty shitty this game honestly, especially for my standards. I am not going to quit and if I survive the night I will make what I think are the optimal choices but I am not going to kill myself reading through tons of stuff for hours. Sorry friendo. Just some advice for the future, ordering people to provide you analysis doesn't really motivate them. I already know I am town and I don't really give a shit whether you think I am or not. You can try to lynch me all you want and if you succeed then you will have just lost the game and I will just laugh at you and call you a moo cow so who cares? Anyway instead of just ordering someone to provide you analysis maybe look at the tone of my posts and ask yourself whether I would be posting this casually/carefree as mafia, maybe look back at my meta and read my best mafia games to see if this is how I play. There is any number of things you could do that would be more productive than hounding me constantly. If mafia feel free to ignore everything I have said. | ||
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And why are you not still talking about sno. I thought you were sure he was mafia but then your first thought was me/rayne/koshi were mafia? Huh? | ||
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GG gl townie bros | ||
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Wp scum team tho you guys did a good job. | ||
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