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Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 23 2014 23:18 GMT
#2300
In my opinion a roleblock on your own team is a fairly common strategy. But I think no claimed roleblock makes Hope's vet claim look better. (Passive abilities cannot be roleblocked, D2 parity cop lynched, why bother using one roleblock more to possibly give someone a more towny status at that point anymore?)

The latest reactions of Vayne & Oats have been the most suspicious, but I'm having a hard time believing both of them would be scum after skanjab's "_|_ town" vote. They've also both put more effort into looking better lately. Luckily we have time to certain ourselves of the remaining scummers.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 23 2014 23:30 GMT
#2306
On January 24 2014 08:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do not think any mafia team would roleblock their own on N1, given they have a vigi and roleblocker. There is a veteran claim, so they KNOW there is at least one another PR out there.


Why not? Chances of hitting a town powerrole on N1 is fairly small. I was scum in my first game of mafia ever (a newbie game on here), and we roleblocked our own team member. There are two ways that can be used well in my opinion:

1) Try and get town cred for the roleblocked one
2) Gather even more town cred for another teammate that makes a case on the roleblocked member of the mafia
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 24 2014 00:05 GMT
#2309
Well played today fellow townies! We shall make our comeback and lynch scum after scum to victory!
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 24 2014 23:56 GMT
#2384
I still think Oats+Vayne are the most likely scum. Hope+Sn0+Rayn quite likely all town.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 25 2014 00:01 GMT
#2386
Surprised, no-one.

##vote: Oatsmaster
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 25 2014 17:00 GMT
#2415
Vayne, try to convince me why Skan is scum instead of you. That's really about the only other possibility I consider to be able to be true right now.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 25 2014 17:11 GMT
#2419
I'd like to remind you rayn was the only one that saw through my thinking as a fellow townie and enabled the thread to go from "omg ceph is scum from fakeclaiming SK" into lynching scum. There is no single player that causes a lynch. We made bad decisions as town, and some townies (looking at you Toad), decided it would be best to lynch themselves.

I am fairly sure all three players on Oats are town right now. 4th town player please step in and vote for Oats also.

As for Oats, why I don't believe you at all is because of your previous reactions that are so giving away. You also have been throwing suspicion and theories toward everyone for the whole duration of the game, but when asked to provide something, you again change the focus of the discussion into what you prefer it to be.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 25 2014 17:37 GMT
#2423
In my opinion there is a slight possibility that you are town, but there is no way Oats is town. But yes, I'll be looking forward to what you can provide, because your play seems much more town compared to skanjab's when reading the filters. (Not that either of you is particularly towny..)
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 25 2014 17:57 GMT
#2431
Hope, do you suddenly think Oats is not scum? Why are you changing your vote when we're quite certain to have a scum with 3 votes up for lynch, if all three of us are town (You, Me, Sn0), then it's a guaranteed lynch since he's the first to three votes.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 25 2014 17:59 GMT
#2435
Just because I agree with rayn on you being scum does not mean I am sheeping him.

Or do you think it's a better idea to vote for someone else than whom I think to be the most scummy person in the thread, to "not sheep"?
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 25 2014 18:00 GMT
#2436
/facepalm, dem votes.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 25 2014 22:27 GMT
#2450
No, you need to get your asses back on Oats. -_-
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 25 2014 22:36 GMT
#2453
Need to think some things through. It's just that I am currently much more certain about Oats being scum which is why I want to lynch him first.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 26 2014 03:27 GMT
#2457
Oats mafia roleblocker.
Skan mafia vigilante.

Hopeless Town Veteran
Cephiro Vanilla Town
Sn0_Man Vanilla Town

VayneAuthority Vanilla Town / Serial Killer

We have to lynch mafia today, That brings us to 4-1 or 3-1-1.
Possibilities:

4-1 into 3-1, with most likely me dying on N4.
Nolynch D5
Either 3-1 or 2-1
If 3-1, mafia won't shoot -> lynch the remaining mafia on D6
If 2-1, lynch the remaining mafia on D6 with a smaller chance of fucking it up.

If there is an SK, it is Vayne, there is no other possibility. (Missing SK shot on N1, guess who got roleblocked?)
In this scenario he has probably been roleblocked ever since, just not claiming it. Or just withheld his shot for maximum wifom. Then we come into a tricky situation

Without roleblocker:
SK shoots town -> 2-1-1
If mafia shoots town -> 1-1-1, remaining town decides winner of the game (or joint win for SK+mafia). (If town dies, SK is most likely bulletproof -> SK wins) So mafia would vote for SK, SK would vote for either town or mafia. Unless he is not bulletproof, in which case he'd vote for mafia. This means mafia will not shoot town, unless they want give up the control of having a say in who wins the game. Best play for mafia is to shoot SK. If SK is not bulletproof, he dies, bringing us into 2-1 for the final day. If SK is bulletproof, 2-1-1 final day.

2-1-1 final day means... town wants to nolynch. SK & Mafia want to lynch each other. Or lynch a townie together.

Two possible scenarios:

2-1-1 night, or 1-1-1 night

2-1-1: They cannot shoot each other or they will lose. They will have to not shoot, shoot the same townie, or shoot both townies. If no town dies, repeat scenario 2-1-1 day. If 1 town dies, town decides winner (unless scum+SK decide on joint win), if 2 town dies, scum+sk joint win.

1-1-1: Town decides winner or scum+sk joint win.


With roleblocker:

3-1-1: SK roleblocked, town shot: 2-1-1 with SK bulletproof possibility, not good for scum.
SK roleblocked, SK shot: 3-1 or 3-1-1, town controls lynch in optimal play, and wins game. (3 votes on either SK or scum -> 3-1, NK = 2-1, last day town lynches and wins)

SK not roleblocked, see above scenarios. Only joint win possibility.

Optimal play for mafia with roleblocker alive is to roleblock SK and shoot him to get rid of bulletproof, leaving it 3-1-1 (only possibility for sole win, if manages to convince other townies of himself being town), or agree to draw with SK and play accordingly.

Basically for town this means we are fucked if we kill the roleblocker. But that is also mafia's only chance for a win with their own faction only.

Thus, I'd like to propose the mafia faction that their non-roleblocker starts posting baby seals and outs himself willingly for today's lynch. We are not lynching outside Oats/Skan.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 26 2014 18:36 GMT
#2480
Hope, change your vote to Oats. Please do.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 26 2014 19:03 GMT
#2483
Lol Oats. So do you think the scumteam is me and Vayne, or me and Sn0? That's just hilarious.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 26 2014 19:28 GMT
#2485
Now we wait for Oats to flip scum. Or post baby seals for our amusement. With all the likeliest town players on Oats, we've guaranteed the lynch unless someone goes mad at the last minute.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 27 2014 00:15 GMT
#2496
This doesn't make any sense. Even with an SK it should be game over. Mafia has to know who SK is by this point. They can just roleblock SK and shoot town = Mafia wins.

The only possibility I can come up with where it's not game over is that it's 3-2 now and town has a medic, or that town has a vigi and it's 3-2. But why the fuck would they not have claimed last day?

Doesn't make any sense, what am I missing? Or is the game going on for the nightphase because mafia has a chance of shooting the vet in Hope? (But they would never do that?)

WP scum/SK/whoever bad guys out there are left.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 27 2014 00:21 GMT
#2498
I just don't see how me and the other remaining townie(s?) have a chance of winning.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 27 2014 00:29 GMT
#2500
Wp scum.
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