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On May 25 2014 04:53 marvellosity wrote:
why were you townie on kush early? I guess early is kinda relative, but here were my thoughts
kush. Kush's filter is tiny and not too helpful, but it reads like the right amount of giving no fucks and giving out fuck yous. He complains a little about spamminess, which is fine by me. He complains when people can't understand arguments, which is fine by me. He's not DOING anything really, but in a way that strikes me as town.
On May 24 2014 06:13 austinmcc wrote:What do you think of sqrt's post-lynch behavior Hapa? Also, I agree with your overall framework for kush, but not your conclusion. I think there IS some playful stuff, I think he's complaining just the right amount and he pops in for ... non-mafia stuff? Mafia can complain about spam all day, can complain about all sorts of stuff, can encourage bad behavior, instead kush, among other things, tries to pop in and explain whatever that bit was about you and geript and someone and when things are usually town or not. Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 04:22 kushm4sta wrote:
about the getript/sqrtneg1 exchange:
sqrtneg1 (terrible name btw) says "hapa is town because he's townreading "two alpha towns fighting"
getripts says "the person who does what hapa does is usually scum
strpt says usually they are but in not this case
sqrt thought getript was talking about himself
getript was actually talking abotu hapa
SO THE READING COMPREHENSION PROBABEM WAS WITH SQRT
this is pointless btw
I don't really see him bussing anyone except maybe you. I don't see him generally adding to thread disorganization.
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In Dr. Who. there were more posts from him, he had scum suspects that he dropped for little/no reasons, he had these REALLY weird comments about other people.
He defended a scumbuddy by saying we "underestimated the fluidity of [kita's] reads D1"
Not the best comparison because he started off there as the only mafia, and was unkillable for a bit, and recruited (maybe that's applicable depending on how this is set up?). But he felt, in that game, like when you really took a good look at him, he was like...trying too hard in places. He'd defend someone for a bad reason, he was attack multiple people and then just dropped those reads for no reason.
Like...trying was his undoing? If he'd had little/no reads, or little/no reasons, then he wouldn't have looked so bad. Possible that he altered his play a little or that Dr. Who was an anomaly.
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On May 25 2014 05:06 mattisfoolish wrote:
Don't know why you need to spend 4 pages debating a minor semantic issue. Really it's simple. You called Kush town and gave some reasons why. I used (essentially) the same reasons to say he's mafia. Either:
1) You disagree with the past-game analysis I did (i.e. I drew the wrong conclusion).
2) You agree with the past-game analysis but Kush is still town for other reasons.
If either is the case then say so now. As stated before, if you think that the cases are better on mtaburini, BlueyD, or Ritoky I will gladly move my vote to one of them and not look back. Debating semantics and calling into question me getting mafia lynched is not doing anything for the town. 4 pages too much, but either it's just me being asked to restate something and going on and on, or there are ACTUAL strange responses to this. Xatalos arguing that game unlikely to be balanced, elderly heterosexual peruvian being not just disinterested, but mostly disinterested in discussing YOU, when in other games he tries to read you and if he gets some scummy whiffs is just on your case forever and very spammy about it.
I don't think you're particularly right, at least based on why I found kush scummy in Dr. Who. But I care less about that then what I'm seeing as a disingenuous push by you. My issue the last couple pages is how you made that argument.
If nothing else, if a thread is spammy, how does a townie help to solve that problem? And is kush the sort of player that, as a townie, would take those actions?
(I think he's more a shot than a lynch, peruvian)
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On May 25 2014 05:20 marvellosity wrote:
we should make him play. join me.
he managed 7 pages of filter in 4 cycles in newbie LV. not masses, but he did actually play the game. On May 25 2014 05:21 marvellosity wrote:
we're not gonna make him play by vig-ing him, that'll just happen regardless. maybe he'll give some fucks if he's going to get lynched though HELLO POT, PLEASE TELL US MORE ABOUT KETTLE
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On May 25 2014 05:26 marvellosity wrote:
You see what happens in an ideal world is someone like me goes "let's lynch this guy who is doing absolutely nothing"
and everyone knows that the lynch is kinda totally coinflippy. but the key is not to say that, you just make the wagon with the strong intention to lynch, even though most of town is in on the secret that it's a "pls play" wagon. you just don't say it.
Although now that I've said this, I'm totes serious about lynching that lazy motherfucker. The wisdom of the elderly peruvians is strong.
##vote: mtamburini
##vote: thrawn2112
##vote: Erandorr
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If he doesn't show up with anything good, he's still coin flippy, and it's more useful to lynch someone else.
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Blech. Started writing some followup and then got hour-long phone call. One sec.
And i have PLENTY of imagination
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Pookie Pie you still here?
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If you are or not, here's a bunch of rambling that I did while looking at the votes. + Show Spoiler +Pookie Pie, talk with me.
I'm not off my rocker, but I'm not voting. And I'd rather vote other people than Da Meat, actually find some stuff, read some people.
So I go and I read the people getting votes.
And i see that there is kush, who I read as townie.
And I see that there is mtamburini, who has some playful posts, and spends a bunch of time talking about work or Civ 5 (don't buy that game you will lose WEEKS of your life when you start playing. Also, if you're going to buy it, wait for the summer sale. They'll put Civ 5 + Brave New World on sale + a bunch of other DLC, and you can pick it all up at once. Brave New World makes some nice improvements, and with all the DLC you get so many more races and options, plus the summer sale will be happening within a couple months). There's enough lighthearted stuff that I get a little confused, because actively choosing not to help town is bad, but there are people popping heads up to go "oh yeah lynch that person" and then disappear again and blah blah blah i'm less certain than at the end of D1/start of N2.
And I see that there is ritoky, who comes back N1 and says BH looked long and full of substance, which is a strange thing for a mafia to say after a lynch on a townie, because they can either complain OR shut up, but who says "man, that case on that townie that I missed and you guys mislynched was pretty good." Also, he started looking into night kills, which I like.
And then there is BlueyD, who finds the tambo thing in thrawn's filter, showing that he's reading and looking for neat stuff, which I like. He also has some I-think-good reactions to people claiming things, both steve's claim and slam's stuff, rather than shutting up or asking questions or anything, kinda looks like he's really not sure why people are doing this and thinks it helps mafia.
And then there is steveling who is, I am sorry, looking kind of town for being SO spammy and so paranoid about BH and slam and stuff. There was a chance he was going mocsta-style scum and being cray cray spammy just to disrupt thread, but all his crap on the claims and the roles hits too close to home for me to want to lynch him. That's EXACTLY me in early big games, thinking that maybe the flavor matters and that maybe Blazinghand burns people or freezes people or whatever.
And then there's thrawn, who is the best choice so far because he's doing dick and you can craft a scum narrative for it.
And then BH who isn't the lynch.
Came to erandorr though and I like that lynch, at least based on Erandorr's filter and not looking at WoS yet. --> And erandorr who I could get behind because there are promises of catching up/posts and promises and promises, but the only thing of substance is him needling at BlueyD and then leaving, no vote, no more stuff, the end. I looked askance at HolyFlare initially for suggesting him over other candidates that had come up, that were scummy D1, etc, but now I actually really like that choice. Need to reread WoS, but would totally lynch Erandorr. First name I come across and feel good about.
(I hadn't gotten to sqrt yet but I have him town)
Also in looking at filters and votes and whatnot, I really, really dislike Jampidampi. Want to look at some past games to see if he's a very aggressive player, or if that fits a particular alignment, but his early game is just him JUMPING DOWN THROATS over very little.
On May 21 2014 06:05 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:04 Xatalos wrote:
Oh yeah, there were multiple factions in this game. Should we agree on NK targets in-thread? How about we agree on killing you? On May 21 2014 06:09 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:08 Xatalos wrote:On May 21 2014 06:05 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:04 Xatalos wrote:
Oh yeah, there were multiple factions in this game. Should we agree on NK targets in-thread? How about we agree on killing you? By "we", do you mean the thread or your scum faction? Right back at you: who do you refer to by "we"? Your faction? All of us? Non-town factions?
On May 21 2014 06:27 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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It's also obvious who are going to jump out in the front and try and lead town one way or another. We definitely have a mafia or two in the first couple of pages.
You sound confident, enough that I think you have your eye on someone already. Care to share as to who it may be? On May 21 2014 06:45 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:27 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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It's also obvious who are going to jump out in the front and try and lead town one way or another. We definitely have a mafia or two in the first couple of pages.
You sound confident, enough that I think you have your eye on someone already. Care to share as to who it may be? I may have my eye on a few people. From my experience, there are two type of mafia people: the lurkers, and the ones who like to ome out first day and take control of town. I'm focusing on the latter because they are the ones to likely talk more, you can easily find their slips (if any), and they are also more likely to last longer than the lurker mafia. Why are you avoiding my question? I asked you to name your suspicions, but instead you give an indefinite answear and then babble on about something that could reasonably be figured out from your earlier post.
He has all that stuff with ninjabunnies and MZ, seems quite scummy on ninjabunnies, but places NO vote, and returns to the thread after an absence with - + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 22:55 jampidampi wrote:
So after skimming the thread I realize that I'm left with less time than I'd like to have, so I'll just make a list that will probably never be explained.
Would not lynch today:
Meapak
Hapa
Holy
poofter
BlueyD
austin
Koshi
BH
fool
geript
bkq
ceph
wave
xatalos
Preffered lynch:
layabout
Could lynch today:
Valenius
thrawn
bunnies
sqrt
Yellow
tamburini
MysteryMeat
No clue:
slam
marv
steveling
kitaman
cavalinho
If I forgot someone then I'm sorry, they belong probably to the no clue list.
##Vote: layabout
For a dude who started the game crazy aggro, he never votes the read he gets off that, and the aggro is just GONE. He's still kinda bristle-y (that word doesn't look right as one word so I'm adding a hyphen), and his main defender was Koshi. Who btw, flipped not town.
He comes back after the lynch to tell everyone they should feel terrible for not lynching mtamuarini, despite the fact that his initial "i'd vote mtam" says NOTHING.On May 22 2014 21:31 jampidampi wrote:
And I'm okay with a tamburini lynch, it just feels that anything I could say about her would just be repeating something that has been already said. On May 22 2014 22:36 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 22:01 layabout wrote:On May 22 2014 21:56 jampidampi wrote:On May 22 2014 21:52 Yell0w wrote:On May 22 2014 21:48 jampidampi wrote:
Yell0w, what do you think about layabout? Oh, I definitely disagree with you, I thought he seemed genuine when I first read it and again when you reposted it, it's actually a reaction I could see myself having if something like that happened to me. So I don't think that makes him scum at all. But I can't seem to find a reason why became angry between those posts. From the post it seems that he got angry because more people were jumping onto him, but that didn't hapen in that timeframe, so I'm confused as to why he wasn't angry in the first post. It was because i (re?)read more of the thread between them, i can't remember if i had fully caught up with the first one what do you think about ritoky? Well if you had only read the thread up to Marvs vote on you when you posted the first post, I can definetely see you getting angry over people hopping onto you or saying they would look into you more. Hmm... That actually makes me think you're town based on how you seemed to still be angry in your ritoky case. Which seems like an emotional backlash, but it has good points in it. Could lynch him, but I think I'd rather see tamburinis head roll. ##Unvote
##Vote: mtamburini On May 24 2014 04:09 jampidampi wrote:
You should all feel bad about not lynching tamburini. Just look at how reliefed he is about not getting lynched while proceeding to do nothing helpful. If a vig doesn't flip him I'll be pushing for his lynch D2.
Later he drops his bit on mtam being the lynch today. The more I look at mtam seriously, the less I like straight pushing that lynch, and coming in to say "oh yeah, here's why that bro is scummy GOODBYE" doesn't rub me the right way.
So anyway, very aggro although I don't know if that means anything. Doesn't seem to do what I'd expect with the aggro, which would be to vote ninjabunnies. Why push someone, dislike their responses, think they're mafia, but not vote them? His scumreads tend to just look like what the thread has popped up, and the tamburini progression gives me some bad feels. Koshi defending is a minor thing, but Koshi's filter is just a bunch of having fun, with the exception of like...one post where he +1s a Poofter post and likes Poofter's lists, his posts where he decides he actually WON'T sheep me and kind of likes ritoky, and the bit on jampidampi.
Anyway, after doing some searching, I'd happily lynch erandorr or jampidampi today. Currently scumreading Foolishness still, if Fool is scum worried about Xat (haven't done a full look at Xat apart from that), and worried about peruvian.
Haven't taken a good look at Cav, ceph, poofter, layabout.
POOKIE PIE
HOW YOU FEELIN' ABOUT ERANDORR AND JAMPI
I REALLY DON'T WANT TO SPAM THREAD MORE TODAY AND I WOULD LOVE FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO SHOW AND MAYBE TALK ABOUT JAMPIDAMPI AND STILL ABOUT FOOLISHNESS.
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And HF, if you ever return, do some list making, and tell me whether any of these dudes should be removed from a list:
Erandorr
Meat
Jampi
Foolishness
Peruvian
Xat
With then possible folks like thrawn, cav, ceph, poofter, layabout, whoeverelseimissedanddidn'tgoreadrecently
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On May 25 2014 07:48 marvellosity wrote:
austin: random thought having only read halfway through your post - I do actually remember jampi being surprisingly aggressive in previous games for someone who is generally so lurky. Take that with a pinch of salt, that's without checking and you can obviously verify that yourself should you wish.
Also I quite liked his research on mtamb's vote progression that was his last post (I think). Quite happy to chitchat about it though. That was his last post.
I'll go check some past games.
The way that he goes about getting onto mtam, then sitting on mtam, then calling everyone bad for the OOP lynch, and just continuing to push only mtam is worrying to me. Not 100% mafia, but he's just found a dude to sit on, who is kinda scummy, and will just perch there and call him scummy for a while. In the narrative where jampi is mafia, he's a MAJOR PERCHER. TOP 10 PERCHER FINLAND.
I dunno, if he REALLY thinks everyone is bad for not lynching mtam and if he REALLY wants mtam to be the lynch today, doesn't he...not say this?e was a good candidate day 1, and those reasons to lynch him still apply. There's nothing relevant to town in his filter during N1 or D2. Like shouldn't he be swinging from the trees and playing cowbell and going door to door handing out pamphlets about how mtam is mafia, not just saying "those reasons still apply, even though I also never gave them in the first place." His push on mtam feels very...detached?
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Back to the Basics, jampi does sarcastically ask aquanim, a scum read, if he can read. Some little questions. Some aggro towards aqua. Backs off the aggro later though, more conversational. Town.
Nuclear he's relatively not around, got nuked for it but was immune. Wasn't aggro, but did a "why the fuck did you nuke me thing" and "oh there's a case" thing. Scumlist pops up without anything else really, although he's given reason for some of those people being scummy in the past. Town.
Not aggro in I swear this is normal mini. Town. Not the same kind of questions, chatty with hapa a good bit. Seems to have history with hapa, hapa coached a newbie, hapa has jampi as town this game, would probably expect some interaction with hapa this game (check for this).
Bastard Mini got cut in the middle and iGrok didn't even post a spreadsheet and I'm too lazy to go find his alignment and stuff.
Newbie XLI, very aggro. Lots of quick questions, lots of why did you say this/why are you thinking this. VERY AGGRO. Also gives reads, reasons, even when he has a list because he "can't decide which scummy fucker I lynch", there are reasons and some quotes and stuff. Porkchop Sandwiches. Town.
Newbie XL, blue, DT. Lotta quick questions, very aggro.
One thing I'm noticing is that when he hammers on someone for not reading/answering his questions, not going fast enough, giving bad answers, he will VOTE them. Read this progression and compare it to his bunnies stuff. + Show Spoiler +On April 05 2013 18:28 jampidampi wrote:
No-ones here? I want interactions to analyse... Rainbows, when you come online you got some explaining to do. I'll be leaving now and will be back in 10 hours. On April 06 2013 04:08 jampidampi wrote:Rainbows, are you here? You haven't answeared my questions here and here. I'm not sure about your alingment and answearing these questions would help me with that. Warrent, your filter still doesn't give information what you think about anyone other than Rainbows. I'm sure you must have opinions on others. TheRavenName, I wasn't calling Rainbows for policy lynching, I was interpreting Sarafs post for him. On April 06 2013 14:00 jampidampi wrote:
Rainbows you better answear my questions. NOW On April 06 2013 15:03 jampidampi wrote:##Vote: RainbowsRainbows is really scummy. At the start, he had the opportunity to continue discussing what was being discussed, but instead he brings up this hypotetical question. Now what purpose does it serve? Scum could post this to know what kind of behaviour we find scummy. Town could post this to generate discussion. But I don't believe that. Rainbows had already got good discussion rolling about something that matters to town (policy). But instead he brings up something that can't benefit town. And there is no followup whatsoever. Rainbows asked if Ravens was scum or VT. Blatant bluefishing. No scum would ever answear "Yes, I'm scum". If Ravens had claimed VT there, scum would know he isn't blue. Ravens may have in confusion softclaimed a powerrole there. I can't find any townie reasonin Rainbows would ask this question. Rainbows says how he likes Obzy. If you look at any mafia games posts, when someone likes someone, he thinks that guy is town. Just look at the list posts in this game: "I don't like XXX" is used in contexes, where people think XXX is scummy. Yet when I ask him to explain his liking of Obzy, he says he liked the name and that he has posted a lot, when at the time, Obzy had three posts. If look at those three posts, that is not a good basis for a town read. Rainbows thinks he is the center of the thread and that he should be talked about. Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 01:49 Rainbows wrote:On April 06 2013 01:24 Warent wrote:A bunch of generic pro-town things being advocated. He provides a (bad) summary of events in the thread and... that's it. I was not providing a summary of events in the thread - I was summing up your actions. Perhaps it wasn't clear enough, no worries, hopefully this will make things more clear. ##Vote RainbowAs far as policies goes, this is my opinion: we should not lynch people based on whims, misinterpretations or lies. Rainbows third, so called, case against Saraf is completely based on either an obvious misinterpretation or a lie. Saraf: even if the spammiest asshole is just some poor well-meaning fattie (who should have applied the litmus test "does this post help town?")
Rainbow: I think we should all rally around lynching Saraf, because he called me town and expressed interest in lynching someone he called probably town. Rainbow: Saraf seems to know I'm town, because he refers to me as such and tells me how I should be playing. Saraf has never called Rainbow town. Even if does NOT equal probably town! Rainbow must know this. I don't think this is a misinterpretation, I think this is Rainbow trying to create something out of nothing. Most likely reason the obvious one - he is scum. And he's not helping himself when he refuses to explain his own action but rather continue to accuse others. You were summing up the thread because I was the only one doing things. Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 12:36 Rainbows wrote:On April 05 2013 21:45 JarJarDrinks wrote:
K, just caught up.
I think jrkirby is my scummiest read at the moment. He votes rainbows pretty early. Then later on he tells us that he feels like he "might actually be a fatty, and is just acting stupid" BUT he feels like he has to vote for him because he's "helping the skinnies".
Anyone that votes for someone and then defends them is gonna read scum to me.
##vote: jrkirby
First post of the day. Neglects to comment on my play which I find exceedingly odd. I was pretty much the entire thread at that point. Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 23:37 Rainbows wrote:On April 05 2013 15:53 Warent wrote:
Good morning,
First off all, my prime playing time will probably be when you US folks are sleeping and the other way around. So please keep in mind that it may sometimes take several hours before I can answer question and provide my view points.
We should try to find a middle ground between spam and lurking, obviously neither are good for town. But I rather we focus on posting when we have some new insight to provide, and thus help keep the thread atleast somewhat clean. Unessecary spam is just... spam. I fail to see how spam, confusion and weak claims are helping town.
This is what've noticed after reading this thread (and I'm not alone): In less than 8 hours, Rainbows has provided three different "cases".
The first one could be passed off as a joke.
The second, according to himself a "serious" vote based on not getting an answer quickly enough (?).
The third, and this time he really want to get a lynch going, based on nothing (or wierd reading skills).
I would like to hear Rainbows explanation. A bunch of generic pro-town things being advocated. He provides a (bad) summary of events in the thread and... that's it. [snip] On April 05 2013 11:57 Saraf wrote:glhf Can we vote for a no-lynch in this game, or must votes be placed on individuals?On April 05 2013 09:28 Rainbows wrote:
Okay enough guys.
##Unvote
Anyone who's here right now I want to give me their opinions on a statement.
--- I don't want to talk about policy. You can policy me this or policy me that, or raise me a lynch-all-liar policy, but I don't want to hear it. Your policy is your own. Enact it when you see fit, if at all. Don't spew it in the thread incessantly to act like you're contributing or it's the 'must-do' in a mafia game.
If you want to override this and go on with it, fine with me. Whatever you feel is best. Not talking policy Day 1 is bullshit. Scum know who scum are but we don't, and the only way we catch scum is by making them fuck up. Even if the policy ends up being "there is no policy", the debate drives conversation and conversation is the only reliable way we have of rooting out scum and eliminating them. Problems arise for town when scum derails the conversation, so here's some day 1 policy to chew on: In the absence of really strong reads, lynch the spammiest asshole who shits up the thread the most. Spamming the thread is a scum tactic to distract and disrupt town; even if the spammiest asshole is just some poor well-meaning fattie (who should have applied the litmus test "does this post help town?"), at the very least in Day 2 the thread will be less shit up, and it'll be easier to find scum without him shitting up the thread. It is obvious that Saraf is referring to me here. I'm spamming, I'm doing a bunch of nuisance-like things and he doesn't like it. He says he would like to lynch me; even if I'm probably town. Saraf seems to know I'm town, because he refers to me as such and tells me how I should be playing. [snip] I digress, he's brought up the policy to 'lynch the spammiest asshole', but that in itself people are already talking about because I'm the center of discussion. So antagonisitic. Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 12:12 Rainbows wrote:
He didn't do anything of use early game. He was around, but chose to do nothing useful. He barely even talked to me, and pretty much ignored events in the thread. His real 'entrance' post to the thread is here: This scummy since Rainbows clearly cares his image. He cares that people see him as town. He cares enough to make a point of being the center of discussion. Scum care for their image. Here is another case of Rainbows caring about his image: Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 23:37 Rainbows wroteNobodywonderOn April 05 2013 16:03 nobodywonder wrote:Well I can't say scum for sure, but I definitely don't like it. Rainbow votes Smancer. Then Rainbow unvotes, then talks about his policy that there should be no policy and that everyone has their own policy. Rainbow then brings up a policy scenario. Well, he states it isn't policy based. Well to me, it sounds like it is, since a policy defines a set of actions in response to certain behavior. I don't know that Rainbow would bring a policy question and call it not policy, seems like he's cautiously gauging townie response and the town meta. Honestly, I want a response from not only Rainbow but also Smancer, since to me, it's interesting that Rainbow voted Smancer, unvoted Smancer and then voted Smancer again. In response Smancer had voted Rainbows and then unvoted Rainbow. I just a lil' weirded out by the voting trend. + Show Spoiler +As a little meta thing, Rainbows seems to deviate a lot more from previous games, he did troll vote, but not to extent of this game. He also spams a lot more. NW gives a huge summary. and throws some shit. He meditates on the policy thing, which I told everyone wasn't policy. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOW PEOPLE THINK AND POLICY JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE. Had to get out of the way. This post, and subsequently the spoiler, show no effort on NW's part to come to a conrete read on me. He simply says that I'm doing things. He seems really apprehensive about giving an actual read and just flops around. I want peoples opinions of NW. Saraf might just be a banality-spewing town; and I'm unsure if his lolpolicy was serious or not. But NW - that guy. He's scummy. The only post which he brings up from nobodywonder is this one, where nobodywonder suspects Rainbows. Rainbows is hellbent in his interpretating that Saraf called him town, even when multiple people have said that was not what Saraf intented to say. If Saraf is town, what Rainbow did was scummy, because he has more reasons to potentiaaly misslynch Saraf. If Saraf is scum, it's still scummy. Rainbows appears to put pressure on Saraf and if Saraf is ever on the chopping block, Rainbows can go "oh shit, my reasoning is really dump" and save him.
Anyway, aggro is not a tell for him. I don't think he's been mafia, found no games but I also didn't check chinese grammar micro. It feels GENERALLY like he backs his suspicions up more. The rainbows stuff there, in the game with aquanim he like...didn't like what was going on and votes his face. Not the most damning thing, may be overblowing the differences because I'm worried about him blah blah
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Yeah. I saw the D1 lynches.
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This is funky to me as well.
On May 21 2014 07:40 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2014 07:08 jampidampi wrote:
Meapak earlier you were interested in 27ninjabunnies, did you gather anything from my conversation with her? If you had to bet on her alignment, what would you guess? ehhhh I understand the part about gut reads, I've had them myself and I know how frustrating it is to try and explain them. I give her (is ninja a her?) a pass for now because her posts seem very unguarded and often early game is when scum are most uptight. Unguarded? To me it seems that she is very defensive here: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:45 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:27 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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It's also obvious who are going to jump out in the front and try and lead town one way or another. We definitely have a mafia or two in the first couple of pages.
You sound confident, enough that I think you have your eye on someone already. Care to share as to who it may be? I may have my eye on a few people. From my experience, there are two type of mafia people: the lurkers, and the ones who like to come out first day and take control of town. I'm focusing on the latter because they are the ones to likely talk more, you can easily find their slips (if any), and they are also more likely to last longer than the lurker mafia. Why are you avoiding my question? I asked you to name your suspicions, but instead you give an indefinite answear and then babble on about something that could reasonably be figured out from your earlier post. If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why. But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter. But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game. If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched. So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk. She has "a pretty damn good reason" to avoid my question, yet she anwears it. Earlier she said that "we definitely have a mafia or two" but now they are not necessarily scum. Brining out the newbie card, defending accusations that don't exist. I would definitely not call this post unguarded. Based on this I wouldn't clear bunnies so easily, but now you're interesting. What makes you think she was "unguarded" in this post? + Show Spoiler +For the annoyed thing, if she was slightly pissed at me, I would understand this kind of backlash. "MZ, whatchoo talking about, now I'm kinda finding YOU scummy for how you're defending bunnies here."
On May 21 2014 07:56 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2014 07:40 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 07:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2014 07:08 jampidampi wrote:
Meapak earlier you were interested in 27ninjabunnies, did you gather anything from my conversation with her? If you had to bet on her alignment, what would you guess? ehhhh I understand the part about gut reads, I've had them myself and I know how frustrating it is to try and explain them. I give her (is ninja a her?) a pass for now because her posts seem very unguarded and often early game is when scum are most uptight. Unguarded? To me it seems that she is very defensive here: On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:45 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:27 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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It's also obvious who are going to jump out in the front and try and lead town one way or another. We definitely have a mafia or two in the first couple of pages.
You sound confident, enough that I think you have your eye on someone already. Care to share as to who it may be? I may have my eye on a few people. From my experience, there are two type of mafia people: the lurkers, and the ones who like to come out first day and take control of town. I'm focusing on the latter because they are the ones to likely talk more, you can easily find their slips (if any), and they are also more likely to last longer than the lurker mafia. Why are you avoiding my question? I asked you to name your suspicions, but instead you give an indefinite answear and then babble on about something that could reasonably be figured out from your earlier post. If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why. But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter. But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game. If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched. So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk. She has "a pretty damn good reason" to avoid my question, yet she anwears it. Earlier she said that "we definitely have a mafia or two" but now they are not necessarily scum. Brining out the newbie card, defending accusations that don't exist. I would definitely not call this post unguarded. Based on this I wouldn't clear bunnies so easily, but now you're interesting. What makes you think she was "unguarded" in this post? + Show Spoiler +For the annoyed thing, if she was slightly pissed at me, I would understand this kind of backlash. I agree that she made a terrible post there, my "unguarded" comment did not specifically relate to any one post in particular and more to her style of posting over all. My personal concern with her is actually her sudden clearing of me after I lightly defended her. It's waaaay too early in the game to say you won't lynch someone, even if you qualify it with D1. It still kinda baffles me that you could ignore such a heavy contrast to your generalization about bunnies play. Makes me think that you didn't actually put that much thought into it, which makes me think you might be scum. It's soon 2 AM here, so see you all tomorrow MZ still maybe scummy for this bunnies/jampi/MZ interaction.
Next post BOOMOn May 21 2014 22:55 jampidampi wrote:
So after skimming the thread I realize that I'm left with less time than I'd like to have, so I'll just make a list that will probably never be explained.
Would not lynch today:
Meapak
Hapa
Holy
poofter
BlueyD
austin
Koshi
BH
fool
geript
bkq
ceph
wave
xatalos
Preffered lynch:
layabout
Could lynch today:
Valenius
thrawn
bunnies
sqrt
Yellow
tamburini
MysteryMeat
No clue:
slam
marv
steveling
kitaman
cavalinho
If I forgot someone then I'm sorry, they belong probably to the no clue list.
##Vote: layabout
Koshi, who defends Jampidampi and appears to be townie on him, said thisOn May 22 2014 19:00 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 18:46 ritoky wrote:
but if you post 10x in a thread and all of it is shit, that's a 100% shit rate, which makes you a shitter in my mind at least. guess it's more of a % useful material thing for me.
Since it seems like there is only 3 of us here, let's have a bit of a chat.
@Marv/geript
I am a little bit hung up on an odd interaction in the early game, that was part of the original reads I gave when I called MZ my top town. It was when he noticed Jampidampi supporting the people he would never lynch on day 1. I was actually a bit wrong on that when I went back and looked at it again. 27ninjabunnies was the one who said it, and she actually said "there is no way I would lynch meapak this game". Which meapak felt was very strange and then jampidampi hopped in to defend bunnies against that and a couple other accusations headed her way at the time.
What do you think of that interaction, because to me it seems very odd, or if you don't particularly think anything of it what do you think about those 3 people?
I am rereading that and to me it seems jampidampi started with questioning MZ about bunnies. MZ replies that bunnies made an "unguarded" comment and is likely town. jampidampi pressures MZ and is giving bunnies a scumread for being overly defensive. He is telling MZ that the way MZ clears Bunnies is wrong and that he should revisit that read. MZ doesn't do that and jampi gives MZ a light scumread for it. This is pretty towny from Jampi tbh. quotes: ↓ + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 07:40 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2014 07:08 jampidampi wrote:
Meapak earlier you were interested in 27ninjabunnies, did you gather anything from my conversation with her? If you had to bet on her alignment, what would you guess? ehhhh I understand the part about gut reads, I've had them myself and I know how frustrating it is to try and explain them. I give her (is ninja a her?) a pass for now because her posts seem very unguarded and often early game is when scum are most uptight. Unguarded? To me it seems that she is very defensive here: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:45 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:27 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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It's also obvious who are going to jump out in the front and try and lead town one way or another. We definitely have a mafia or two in the first couple of pages.
You sound confident, enough that I think you have your eye on someone already. Care to share as to who it may be? I may have my eye on a few people. From my experience, there are two type of mafia people: the lurkers, and the ones who like to come out first day and take control of town. I'm focusing on the latter because they are the ones to likely talk more, you can easily find their slips (if any), and they are also more likely to last longer than the lurker mafia. Why are you avoiding my question? I asked you to name your suspicions, but instead you give an indefinite answear and then babble on about something that could reasonably be figured out from your earlier post. If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why. But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter. But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game. If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched. So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk. She has "a pretty damn good reason" to avoid my question, yet she anwears it. Earlier she said that "we definitely have a mafia or two" but now they are not necessarily scum. Brining out the newbie card, defending accusations that don't exist. I would definitely not call this post unguarded. Based on this I wouldn't clear bunnies so easily, but now you're interesting. What makes you think she was "unguarded" in this post? + Show Spoiler +For the annoyed thing, if she was slightly pissed at me, I would understand this kind of backlash. On May 21 2014 07:56 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2014 07:40 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 07:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2014 07:08 jampidampi wrote:
Meapak earlier you were interested in 27ninjabunnies, did you gather anything from my conversation with her? If you had to bet on her alignment, what would you guess? ehhhh I understand the part about gut reads, I've had them myself and I know how frustrating it is to try and explain them. I give her (is ninja a her?) a pass for now because her posts seem very unguarded and often early game is when scum are most uptight. Unguarded? To me it seems that she is very defensive here: On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:45 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:27 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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It's also obvious who are going to jump out in the front and try and lead town one way or another. We definitely have a mafia or two in the first couple of pages.
You sound confident, enough that I think you have your eye on someone already. Care to share as to who it may be? I may have my eye on a few people. From my experience, there are two type of mafia people: the lurkers, and the ones who like to come out first day and take control of town. I'm focusing on the latter because they are the ones to likely talk more, you can easily find their slips (if any), and they are also more likely to last longer than the lurker mafia. Why are you avoiding my question? I asked you to name your suspicions, but instead you give an indefinite answear and then babble on about something that could reasonably be figured out from your earlier post. If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why. But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter. But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game. If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched. So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk. She has "a pretty damn good reason" to avoid my question, yet she anwears it. Earlier she said that "we definitely have a mafia or two" but now they are not necessarily scum. Brining out the newbie card, defending accusations that don't exist. I would definitely not call this post unguarded. Based on this I wouldn't clear bunnies so easily, but now you're interesting. What makes you think she was "unguarded" in this post? + Show Spoiler +For the annoyed thing, if she was slightly pissed at me, I would understand this kind of backlash. I agree that she made a terrible post there, my "unguarded" comment did not specifically relate to any one post in particular and more to her style of posting over all. My personal concern with her is actually her sudden clearing of me after I lightly defended her. It's waaaay too early in the game to say you won't lynch someone, even if you qualify it with D1. It still kinda baffles me that you could ignore such a heavy contrast to your generalization about bunnies play. Makes me think that you didn't actually put that much thought into it, which makes me think you might be scum. It's soon 2 AM here, so see you all tomorrow ______ From reading Jampi filter is goes like this: Jampi: Hey Bunnies I think you are scum. Let's interact. (interacting with scumread) Jampi: Hey MZ, do you agree with my scumread on Bunnies. (Interacts with MZ, gives MZ scumread for not seeing what he sees) This shows that jampi had a strong read on Bunnies at that time. Town mindset. But he entirely misses (and most/all of us did), that Jampi goes STRAIGHT from finding MZ kinda scummy to having him on the won't lynch list, despite still finding bunnies scummy. Given that the bunnies/MZ/jampi interaction is the whole reason MZ is scummy, if bunnies is still scummy then MZ probably SHOULD, bar any kind of explanation.
Koshi knows jampi's filter and defends him but ... seems to miss something that I'm concerned with.
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P'shaw. Even my nonsense has merit.
I do wish there was more not-me talking today. Probably not optimal for the game. Also, this is one reason not to sit on the coin flip dude, because there are still plenty of OTHER people to pressure and whatnot.
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On May 25 2014 08:35 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2014 08:31 austinmcc wrote:
P'shaw. Even my nonsense has merit.
I do wish there was more not-me talking today. Probably not optimal for the game. Also, this is one reason not to sit on the coin flip dude, because there are still plenty of OTHER people to pressure and whatnot. yeah but other people will respond if they're talked about or even if they're not talked about. I don't think mysterymeat will respond at all unless he's up for the lynch, and maybe not even then. so it's kinda worth a try you see. The idea isn't "let's all just lynch this guy and not do anything else" and you should feel ashamed if you think so :p but yeah that mz stuff is good. Let's go with shades of pot/kettle, and shades of "I think there are more productive things" and shades of "In my mind if geript is really a vigi I liked what he said earlier about townies shooting townies (see my posts in YOSO and the postgame thoughts and EVERY THEMED GAME WHERE TOWNIES SHOOT TOWNIES), therefore, geript is unlikely to just go firing at people, but because the postgame of YOSO had a lot of pushing from host-y folks for vigis to shoot lurkers, geript is LIKELY to be okay just shooting a lurker, and so mysterymeat probably gets shot." So in my mind, the problem is already solved because in the future he likely gets shot as the lurkiest of the lurk, and lynching him or voting him is a waste of keystrokes.
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ritoky post above looks townie to me although i would still <3 more conversation and less lists. But the reasons behind his read aren't the lazy ones, aren't the normal ones, like that hapa reasoning looks like...legit thoughts?
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On May 25 2014 09:24 geript wrote:
Ritoky, could you explain where and how your tambo scumread disappeared into Laya and Wave?
@Snooglewoogle. How Jampi jumps around seems really towny to me honestly. Like he's jumping around but all of the thoughts are connected in a natural way. Considering the time between the reads, it seems odd but not damning to me.
Whatchoo mean about him jumping around?
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On May 25 2014 09:28 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2014 09:26 austinmcc wrote:On May 25 2014 09:24 geript wrote:
Ritoky, could you explain where and how your tambo scumread disappeared into Laya and Wave?
@Snooglewoogle. How Jampi jumps around seems really towny to me honestly. Like he's jumping around but all of the thoughts are connected in a natural way. Considering the time between the reads, it seems odd but not damning to me.
Whatchoo mean about him jumping around? Follow his thought process like he's scummy on Bunny, asked MZ what he thought of the Jamp-bunny interaction, bounces onto MZ. Like it's a clear natural progression IMO. Doesn't look or feel forced. Right. I don't have any problem with jamp finding bunny scummy and then deciding that MZ is scummy based on not finding bunny scummy there.
You have no problem with:
(1) Jamp finding MZ scummy for that, but then having him as not a possible lynch in the very next post? Despite still having bunnies as scum?
(2) Jamp finding bunnies scum, being pretty clearly scummy on bunnies, but never voting her and not pushing her lynch, choosing to look elsewhere every time he plops a vote down?
I can perfectly understand why he might find bunnies and MZ scummy. But his RESPONSE to that finding is not to vote, and to pull a 180 on MZ for no reason (while not doing so on bunnies).
(NEED TO CHECK AND SEE WHAT/IF MZ POSTED IN THAT TIME)
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not "deciding that MZ is scummy based on not finding bunny scummy there"
but instead
"deciding that MZ is scummy based on FINDING bunny scummy there but for different reasons"
MZ just didn't share jampi's reasoning, and jampi thought MZ was scummy because he missed what jampi thought was important
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