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I aprove of BH suspicion. I hear he got 3 mafiosos correctly on day 1 in the other game. BH, why don't you share your wisdom with us instead of endlessly going on about RNG, which should be -ev for you given your perceived success rate at finding mafia?
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On May 22 2014 00:48 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 00:46 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2014 00:44 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, here's my new reads/changed reads:
I'm not sure of the tambo push, I originally read tambo as town, but I'm not sure right now.
BKQ I don't like.
Marv I like.
Xat is my top town atm.
Steve I like.
Cav I don't like.
As always, ask me to explain if needed. Why don't you just explain everything? Why wouldn't you? Too big of a game. Too many people talking, this is like triple of what I'm used to. Information overload.
I mean the reads you just gave.
The reads on their own are meaningless, they don't help anyone else either form an opinion on those you are commenting on, or you. So you need to explain why you have these reads so people can do both. You obviously must/should have reasons for these particular ones or you wouldn't have written them in the first place. Do eeeeet pretty pls.
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##Unvote
##Vote: layabout
Bad feels.
Also I think there is a DotA hero that says:
layabout is foul play.
It could be something different but I feel it is pretty relevant here.
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On May 22 2014 00:49 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 00:44 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, here's my new reads/changed reads:
I'm not sure of the tambo push, I originally read tambo as town, but I'm not sure right now.
BKQ I don't like.
Marv I like.
Xat is my top town atm.
Steve I like.
Cav I don't like.
As always, ask me to explain if needed. explain to me how you've arrived at ^^^^^^^ after stating this: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 09:08 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
My reads so far:
Jampidampi - Mafia.
Bunnies - Town.
Yellow - Town.
Koshi - Town.
BH - Town, but I don't like his RNG thingy.
Holyflare - Mafia.
I will explain if asked to explain, there's so many people, I'm too lazy to write everything up. like all your reads have changed with not much talking about that in between
???
I don't get it?
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On May 22 2014 00:50 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 00:49 Holyflare wrote:On May 22 2014 00:44 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, here's my new reads/changed reads:
I'm not sure of the tambo push, I originally read tambo as town, but I'm not sure right now.
BKQ I don't like.
Marv I like.
Xat is my top town atm.
Steve I like.
Cav I don't like.
As always, ask me to explain if needed. explain to me how you've arrived at ^^^^^^^ after stating this: On May 21 2014 09:08 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
My reads so far:
Jampidampi - Mafia.
Bunnies - Town.
Yellow - Town.
Koshi - Town.
BH - Town, but I don't like his RNG thingy.
Holyflare - Mafia.
I will explain if asked to explain, there's so many people, I'm too lazy to write everything up. like all your reads have changed with not much talking about that in between ??? I don't get it?
+1 it is all different people.
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On May 22 2014 00:46 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 00:45 OdinOfPergo wrote:
So some thoughts so far..
I'll try to keep in order as much as possible... but as I just skimmed like 50 pages that might be hard.
This whole RNG stuff.
It's pointless, it was pointless from the start.
My few conclusions I'm going to take away from this are:
BH is probably scum. Not as a baseless OMGUS, I'll explain.
BH has literally no filter.
None at all.
I'm not saying I'm in-tune with how BH does his RNG thing people were saying was popular with him.
But BH's filter consist of:
Let's RNG Odin.
No serious guys, let's do it.
Guys? Why we no voting for Odin?
Ok screw RNG then I'll just call Odin scum.
You know the guy who's posted.. not a single time.
How did this a RNG roll evolve to a scum read?
I mean it's been almost half of day one now and I'm still the only read he has in the game atm.
Okok, I lied a bit there. He wanted someone to shoot Geript iirc too.
So my conclusion to his filter is:
-Useless RNG talk
-Filler post
-Weird call for a shot on Geript (Dude's an ass? who knew! Geript you horse you.)
-Impossible evolution of a scum read on Odin
##Vote: Blazinghand
The Steve/Holy/MZ whoever else arguement was pretty weird to me too.
I don't think Holy is scum atm.
I'm not particularly partial to Steve's spam. 1/10 post he's made amount to anything to me.
That worries me.
MZ also had a few post I didn't like around this time.
But he shares a lot of the reads I have now.
So not sure if I just didn't like them because of the context, or because they were bad.
I'll have to read his filter later to decide.
I'd be fine with Vale lynch.
All the reasons already said by other people.
I'm totes a sheep if he becomes the lynch.
The whole Ceph case on ninjabunnies reads really awful to me tbh.
I mean I get what he's saying. But I have no idea why he believes that to be the case.
You're basing your top scum read on
"she didn't respond the way I expected town to respond."
"she didn't think like I think a town should of thought"
I mean your case isn't wrong per say.
But it is very bad.
Consider the player list of this game.
If you don't understand why someone responded/acted towards something you were trying to lay a trap for...
Umm I guess you might probably just go ahead lynching 1/3 of the player list.
Conclusion of your case means I should of been mislynched in 95% of the town games I've ever played.
Because I never make any sense..
Moving along,
Bunnies case on Thrawn is stupid and bad.
But it's not her fault really imo.
If I had never played with Thrawn I'd probably be suspicious of him too.
I mean this is probably why I'm eerie of Steve right now.
His play so far isn't something I'd call super for town.
But I have no idea what Steve's play looks like period.
Anyway, /end wallpost. I'll be around for a short while before bed. Hopefully I'll be up again early enough to chat with people before work.
Why would you be okay with Valenius lynch? Any original reasons?
Sqrt, be my knight in shining armour.
Travelling home now, so ill post properly in a bit.
Fun fact: I took more toilet breaks than I ever have done at work before, just so I could semi-keep up with you all.
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On May 22 2014 00:52 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 00:46 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 22 2014 00:45 OdinOfPergo wrote:
So some thoughts so far..
I'll try to keep in order as much as possible... but as I just skimmed like 50 pages that might be hard.
This whole RNG stuff.
It's pointless, it was pointless from the start.
My few conclusions I'm going to take away from this are:
BH is probably scum. Not as a baseless OMGUS, I'll explain.
BH has literally no filter.
None at all.
I'm not saying I'm in-tune with how BH does his RNG thing people were saying was popular with him.
But BH's filter consist of:
Let's RNG Odin.
No serious guys, let's do it.
Guys? Why we no voting for Odin?
Ok screw RNG then I'll just call Odin scum.
You know the guy who's posted.. not a single time.
How did this a RNG roll evolve to a scum read?
I mean it's been almost half of day one now and I'm still the only read he has in the game atm.
Okok, I lied a bit there. He wanted someone to shoot Geript iirc too.
So my conclusion to his filter is:
-Useless RNG talk
-Filler post
-Weird call for a shot on Geript (Dude's an ass? who knew! Geript you horse you.)
-Impossible evolution of a scum read on Odin
##Vote: Blazinghand
The Steve/Holy/MZ whoever else arguement was pretty weird to me too.
I don't think Holy is scum atm.
I'm not particularly partial to Steve's spam. 1/10 post he's made amount to anything to me.
That worries me.
MZ also had a few post I didn't like around this time.
But he shares a lot of the reads I have now.
So not sure if I just didn't like them because of the context, or because they were bad.
I'll have to read his filter later to decide.
I'd be fine with Vale lynch.
All the reasons already said by other people.
I'm totes a sheep if he becomes the lynch.
The whole Ceph case on ninjabunnies reads really awful to me tbh.
I mean I get what he's saying. But I have no idea why he believes that to be the case.
You're basing your top scum read on
"she didn't respond the way I expected town to respond."
"she didn't think like I think a town should of thought"
I mean your case isn't wrong per say.
But it is very bad.
Consider the player list of this game.
If you don't understand why someone responded/acted towards something you were trying to lay a trap for...
Umm I guess you might probably just go ahead lynching 1/3 of the player list.
Conclusion of your case means I should of been mislynched in 95% of the town games I've ever played.
Because I never make any sense..
Moving along,
Bunnies case on Thrawn is stupid and bad.
But it's not her fault really imo.
If I had never played with Thrawn I'd probably be suspicious of him too.
I mean this is probably why I'm eerie of Steve right now.
His play so far isn't something I'd call super for town.
But I have no idea what Steve's play looks like period.
Anyway, /end wallpost. I'll be around for a short while before bed. Hopefully I'll be up again early enough to chat with people before work.
Why would you be okay with Valenius lynch? Any original reasons? Sqrt, be my knight in shining armour. Travelling home now, so ill post properly in a bit. Fun fact: I took more toilet breaks than I ever have done at work before, just so I could semi-keep up with you all.
Townpile
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On May 22 2014 00:52 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 00:52 Valenius wrote:On May 22 2014 00:46 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 22 2014 00:45 OdinOfPergo wrote:
So some thoughts so far..
I'll try to keep in order as much as possible... but as I just skimmed like 50 pages that might be hard.
This whole RNG stuff.
It's pointless, it was pointless from the start.
My few conclusions I'm going to take away from this are:
BH is probably scum. Not as a baseless OMGUS, I'll explain.
BH has literally no filter.
None at all.
I'm not saying I'm in-tune with how BH does his RNG thing people were saying was popular with him.
But BH's filter consist of:
Let's RNG Odin.
No serious guys, let's do it.
Guys? Why we no voting for Odin?
Ok screw RNG then I'll just call Odin scum.
You know the guy who's posted.. not a single time.
How did this a RNG roll evolve to a scum read?
I mean it's been almost half of day one now and I'm still the only read he has in the game atm.
Okok, I lied a bit there. He wanted someone to shoot Geript iirc too.
So my conclusion to his filter is:
-Useless RNG talk
-Filler post
-Weird call for a shot on Geript (Dude's an ass? who knew! Geript you horse you.)
-Impossible evolution of a scum read on Odin
##Vote: Blazinghand
The Steve/Holy/MZ whoever else arguement was pretty weird to me too.
I don't think Holy is scum atm.
I'm not particularly partial to Steve's spam. 1/10 post he's made amount to anything to me.
That worries me.
MZ also had a few post I didn't like around this time.
But he shares a lot of the reads I have now.
So not sure if I just didn't like them because of the context, or because they were bad.
I'll have to read his filter later to decide.
I'd be fine with Vale lynch.
All the reasons already said by other people.
I'm totes a sheep if he becomes the lynch.
The whole Ceph case on ninjabunnies reads really awful to me tbh.
I mean I get what he's saying. But I have no idea why he believes that to be the case.
You're basing your top scum read on
"she didn't respond the way I expected town to respond."
"she didn't think like I think a town should of thought"
I mean your case isn't wrong per say.
But it is very bad.
Consider the player list of this game.
If you don't understand why someone responded/acted towards something you were trying to lay a trap for...
Umm I guess you might probably just go ahead lynching 1/3 of the player list.
Conclusion of your case means I should of been mislynched in 95% of the town games I've ever played.
Because I never make any sense..
Moving along,
Bunnies case on Thrawn is stupid and bad.
But it's not her fault really imo.
If I had never played with Thrawn I'd probably be suspicious of him too.
I mean this is probably why I'm eerie of Steve right now.
His play so far isn't something I'd call super for town.
But I have no idea what Steve's play looks like period.
Anyway, /end wallpost. I'll be around for a short while before bed. Hopefully I'll be up again early enough to chat with people before work.
Why would you be okay with Valenius lynch? Any original reasons? Sqrt, be my knight in shining armour. Travelling home now, so ill post properly in a bit. Fun fact: I took more toilet breaks than I ever have done at work before, just so I could semi-keep up with you all. Townpile
Explain?
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i think bkwrawrwoar is toad btw
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On May 22 2014 00:50 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 00:49 Holyflare wrote:On May 22 2014 00:44 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, here's my new reads/changed reads:
I'm not sure of the tambo push, I originally read tambo as town, but I'm not sure right now.
BKQ I don't like.
Marv I like.
Xat is my top town atm.
Steve I like.
Cav I don't like.
As always, ask me to explain if needed. explain to me how you've arrived at ^^^^^^^ after stating this: On May 21 2014 09:08 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
My reads so far:
Jampidampi - Mafia.
Bunnies - Town.
Yellow - Town.
Koshi - Town.
BH - Town, but I don't like his RNG thingy.
Holyflare - Mafia.
I will explain if asked to explain, there's so many people, I'm too lazy to write everything up. like all your reads have changed with not much talking about that in between ??? I don't get it?
the only people you've talked about are one liners etc saying "bunnies town" "yellow town" but then they've all disappeared from your list of towny people and you have a new list of completely different people that you haven't mentioned in your filter really at all
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On May 22 2014 00:44 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, here's my new reads/changed reads:
I'm not sure of the tambo push, I originally read tambo as town, but I'm not sure right now.
BKQ I don't like.
Marv I like.
Xat is my top town atm.
Steve I like.
Cav I don't like.
As always, ask me to explain if needed.
BKQ: smurf + hydra. Bad feels.
Marv: On May 21 2014 20:05 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 19:59 Xatalos wrote:On May 21 2014 11:34 geript wrote:On May 21 2014 11:09 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 21 2014 10:57 geript wrote:
@Snooglewoogle. I need the blessings of ABBA to shoot Marv. Please make the appropriate sacrifices. Do you actually think Marv is scum or you just doing it cause he disagrees with you on slam? If you think scum is Slam and you shoot marv because you think hes cockblocking the lynch on slam that would be the most asinine play ever. Shoot who you think is lock scum lets find someone else scummy. What do you think of BKQ/Velanius/layabout? Marv I don't think would cockblock on a null read like this if he were town. More likely he'd ignore me and let me develop it. Not a 100% on that but his push on Xat early was for pretty awful reasoning. Like if Marv were town and has that "it's enough for now" line, he'd be far more willing to entertain a good outside lynch. Plus, he has done nothing to make me think he's either town or scum, which means he cares about how he comes across which is far more likely to be mafia Marv. I think geript is very likely town and this post is a good example. It's weird that marv would vote me for little to no reason (claiming it's "good enough" lol) and then defend Slam like this. marv: how is this post by geript terrible? (To be clear: marv probably isn't a good D1 lynch, since as scum he's forced to maintain some level of activity and leave behind clues about his scummates - and if he's town he's obviously too valuable to lose to a lynch - but I'd say I'm not getting any townie feeling from marv yet and so I'm slightly leaning scum) Marv I don't think would cockblock on a null read like this if he were townYes, I obviously would if he was pursuing it in a very irritating way More likely he'd ignore me and let me develop it.He wasn't developing the read, he was ranting at town to vote for confirmed scum. Not the same. Not a 100% on that but his push on Xat early was for pretty awful reasoning.The reasoning was fine, you made multiple posts on the non-topic of day 1 lynches being decided by connection voting and stuff. There's a reason I didn't vote for you the *first* time you made such a post, but after about the 3rd time you reiterated the same fluffy crap. Go check your own filter and when I voted for you. Go on. Like if Marv were town and has that "it's enough for now" line, he'd be far more willing to entertain a good outside lynch.Totally baseless Plus, he has done nothing to make me think he's either town or scum, which means he cares about how he comes across which is far more likely to be mafia If I cared about how I looked, I'd be looking a lot better than how I do now, I have many, many scumgames and I am never viewed as suspicious early on in any of them... because I pay attention to how I come across! The entire point he's trying to make is completely self-defeating... So yes, basically the entire post is wrong or bad in some way.
A defensive post, but it's good. Town vibes.
Xat: Just look at his filter. He's town.
Steve: He's been active, he's town.
Cav: I've played 1 game with him. Meta read.
Again, if you ask, I shall explain with more detail.
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On May 22 2014 00:55 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 00:50 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 22 2014 00:49 Holyflare wrote:On May 22 2014 00:44 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, here's my new reads/changed reads:
I'm not sure of the tambo push, I originally read tambo as town, but I'm not sure right now.
BKQ I don't like.
Marv I like.
Xat is my top town atm.
Steve I like.
Cav I don't like.
As always, ask me to explain if needed. explain to me how you've arrived at ^^^^^^^ after stating this: On May 21 2014 09:08 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
My reads so far:
Jampidampi - Mafia.
Bunnies - Town.
Yellow - Town.
Koshi - Town.
BH - Town, but I don't like his RNG thingy.
Holyflare - Mafia.
I will explain if asked to explain, there's so many people, I'm too lazy to write everything up. like all your reads have changed with not much talking about that in between ??? I don't get it? the only people you've talked about are one liners etc saying "bunnies town" "yellow town" but then they've all disappeared from your list of towny people and you have a new list of completely different people that you haven't mentioned in your filter really at all
I should have clarified, these are additional reads.
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so i'm still mafia? 
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Sqrt, you don't know my meta. One game isn't enough to understand my meta, especially since I've never rolled scum ever.
And also I loathe your Steveling read.
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btw i think wave and austin are the people i feel most "off" about, moreso wave than austin though, wave hadn't really done anything but was around the entire time and only after talking about nonsense did he ask questions that I/the thread had already answered
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Yeah, active in a newbie game is a reasonable indicator.. I wouldnt agree that it is once were out of the paddling pool.
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@Sqrt: no, I thought I made that pretty obvious though
@Kosher: I'm undecided on you as of yet! but my heart wants you to be super town!
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On May 22 2014 01:01 Holyflare wrote:
btw i think wave and austin are the people i feel most "off" about, moreso wave than austin though, wave hadn't really done anything but was around the entire time and only after talking about nonsense did he ask questions that I/the thread had already answered
Should be the other way round imo, all you're describing with Wave is bad or lazy play, which a Wavemafia would probably try harder to avoid.
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On May 22 2014 00:54 Cavalinho wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 00:52 Koshi wrote:On May 22 2014 00:52 Valenius wrote:On May 22 2014 00:46 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 22 2014 00:45 OdinOfPergo wrote:
So some thoughts so far..
I'll try to keep in order as much as possible... but as I just skimmed like 50 pages that might be hard.
This whole RNG stuff.
It's pointless, it was pointless from the start.
My few conclusions I'm going to take away from this are:
BH is probably scum. Not as a baseless OMGUS, I'll explain.
BH has literally no filter.
None at all.
I'm not saying I'm in-tune with how BH does his RNG thing people were saying was popular with him.
But BH's filter consist of:
Let's RNG Odin.
No serious guys, let's do it.
Guys? Why we no voting for Odin?
Ok screw RNG then I'll just call Odin scum.
You know the guy who's posted.. not a single time.
How did this a RNG roll evolve to a scum read?
I mean it's been almost half of day one now and I'm still the only read he has in the game atm.
Okok, I lied a bit there. He wanted someone to shoot Geript iirc too.
So my conclusion to his filter is:
-Useless RNG talk
-Filler post
-Weird call for a shot on Geript (Dude's an ass? who knew! Geript you horse you.)
-Impossible evolution of a scum read on Odin
##Vote: Blazinghand
The Steve/Holy/MZ whoever else arguement was pretty weird to me too.
I don't think Holy is scum atm.
I'm not particularly partial to Steve's spam. 1/10 post he's made amount to anything to me.
That worries me.
MZ also had a few post I didn't like around this time.
But he shares a lot of the reads I have now.
So not sure if I just didn't like them because of the context, or because they were bad.
I'll have to read his filter later to decide.
I'd be fine with Vale lynch.
All the reasons already said by other people.
I'm totes a sheep if he becomes the lynch.
The whole Ceph case on ninjabunnies reads really awful to me tbh.
I mean I get what he's saying. But I have no idea why he believes that to be the case.
You're basing your top scum read on
"she didn't respond the way I expected town to respond."
"she didn't think like I think a town should of thought"
I mean your case isn't wrong per say.
But it is very bad.
Consider the player list of this game.
If you don't understand why someone responded/acted towards something you were trying to lay a trap for...
Umm I guess you might probably just go ahead lynching 1/3 of the player list.
Conclusion of your case means I should of been mislynched in 95% of the town games I've ever played.
Because I never make any sense..
Moving along,
Bunnies case on Thrawn is stupid and bad.
But it's not her fault really imo.
If I had never played with Thrawn I'd probably be suspicious of him too.
I mean this is probably why I'm eerie of Steve right now.
His play so far isn't something I'd call super for town.
But I have no idea what Steve's play looks like period.
Anyway, /end wallpost. I'll be around for a short while before bed. Hopefully I'll be up again early enough to chat with people before work.
Why would you be okay with Valenius lynch? Any original reasons? Sqrt, be my knight in shining armour. Travelling home now, so ill post properly in a bit. Fun fact: I took more toilet breaks than I ever have done at work before, just so I could semi-keep up with you all. Townpile Explain?
Scum doesnt take bathroom breaks to keep up.
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On May 22 2014 01:04 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 00:54 Cavalinho wrote:On May 22 2014 00:52 Koshi wrote:On May 22 2014 00:52 Valenius wrote:On May 22 2014 00:46 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 22 2014 00:45 OdinOfPergo wrote:
So some thoughts so far..
I'll try to keep in order as much as possible... but as I just skimmed like 50 pages that might be hard.
This whole RNG stuff.
It's pointless, it was pointless from the start.
My few conclusions I'm going to take away from this are:
BH is probably scum. Not as a baseless OMGUS, I'll explain.
BH has literally no filter.
None at all.
I'm not saying I'm in-tune with how BH does his RNG thing people were saying was popular with him.
But BH's filter consist of:
Let's RNG Odin.
No serious guys, let's do it.
Guys? Why we no voting for Odin?
Ok screw RNG then I'll just call Odin scum.
You know the guy who's posted.. not a single time.
How did this a RNG roll evolve to a scum read?
I mean it's been almost half of day one now and I'm still the only read he has in the game atm.
Okok, I lied a bit there. He wanted someone to shoot Geript iirc too.
So my conclusion to his filter is:
-Useless RNG talk
-Filler post
-Weird call for a shot on Geript (Dude's an ass? who knew! Geript you horse you.)
-Impossible evolution of a scum read on Odin
##Vote: Blazinghand
The Steve/Holy/MZ whoever else arguement was pretty weird to me too.
I don't think Holy is scum atm.
I'm not particularly partial to Steve's spam. 1/10 post he's made amount to anything to me.
That worries me.
MZ also had a few post I didn't like around this time.
But he shares a lot of the reads I have now.
So not sure if I just didn't like them because of the context, or because they were bad.
I'll have to read his filter later to decide.
I'd be fine with Vale lynch.
All the reasons already said by other people.
I'm totes a sheep if he becomes the lynch.
The whole Ceph case on ninjabunnies reads really awful to me tbh.
I mean I get what he's saying. But I have no idea why he believes that to be the case.
You're basing your top scum read on
"she didn't respond the way I expected town to respond."
"she didn't think like I think a town should of thought"
I mean your case isn't wrong per say.
But it is very bad.
Consider the player list of this game.
If you don't understand why someone responded/acted towards something you were trying to lay a trap for...
Umm I guess you might probably just go ahead lynching 1/3 of the player list.
Conclusion of your case means I should of been mislynched in 95% of the town games I've ever played.
Because I never make any sense..
Moving along,
Bunnies case on Thrawn is stupid and bad.
But it's not her fault really imo.
If I had never played with Thrawn I'd probably be suspicious of him too.
I mean this is probably why I'm eerie of Steve right now.
His play so far isn't something I'd call super for town.
But I have no idea what Steve's play looks like period.
Anyway, /end wallpost. I'll be around for a short while before bed. Hopefully I'll be up again early enough to chat with people before work.
Why would you be okay with Valenius lynch? Any original reasons? Sqrt, be my knight in shining armour. Travelling home now, so ill post properly in a bit. Fun fact: I took more toilet breaks than I ever have done at work before, just so I could semi-keep up with you all. Townpile Explain? Scum doesnt take bathroom breaks to keep up.
Wtf? Why not?
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