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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 20 2014 22:09 GMT
#411
bunnies is bunnies not boone
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 20 2014 22:11 GMT
#419
On May 21 2014 07:07 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 07:05 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:02 Holyflare wrote:
#logic

So sexy

Now do you have any other ideas other than that?


bunnies talked about mafia definitely being present in game so also mafia


So me pointing out that there are probably a few mafia that are present, makes me mafia?

Cause I would so point out something that indicates myself as mafia.


only your subconscious knows to write mafia things in posts
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 20 2014 22:18 GMT
#434
why you hate things mz? things are good
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 20 2014 22:19 GMT
#437
nobody cares steve ~_~
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 20 2014 22:20 GMT
#439
if you're gonna play like last game i will actually policy lynch you and i honestly don't care
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 20 2014 22:22 GMT
#444
well i know it's bs now and you don't have a read on me so while last game it may have been correct i can tell this game it's just going to get annoying and useless and you don't actually have that read on me so i'd rather get rid of you if you're just going to do this again
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 20 2014 22:23 GMT
#447
yeh well i dislike people that don't actually you know.. play mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 20 2014 22:25 GMT
#450
On May 21 2014 07:24 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 07:23 Holyflare wrote:
yeh well i dislike that don't actually you know.. play mafia


I don't like that personal attack.
Keep your thoughts about what's mafia play and what not to yourself.


no because i'm actually town this game so you're being awful
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 20 2014 22:32 GMT
#465
yes please do

##unvote
##vote steveling

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 20 2014 22:43 GMT
#491
On May 21 2014 07:36 marvellosity wrote:
Xatalos, I really have no idea, nor do I care, because I don't particularly strive to be consistent from game to game. Honestly the fact that you're beating away at this makes you look kinda better though, so maybe I'll unvote you if I'm feeling nice

Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 07:32 Holyflare wrote:
yes please do

##unvote
##vote steveling


You do realise, though, that Steve's semi-ridiculous behaviour makes it less likely he's mafia though, yes? (or traditional mafia. I'm just gonna say town for town and mafia for all the other factions until something tells me otherwise)

On May 21 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
if you're gonna play like last game i will actually policy lynch you and i honestly don't care


despite me being scum in the game he was talking about we literally only won because he was doing what he was doing as town and was an easy mislynch so i'm just going to get rid of him until he learns
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 20 2014 22:47 GMT
#498
On May 21 2014 07:45 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 07:43 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:36 marvellosity wrote:
Xatalos, I really have no idea, nor do I care, because I don't particularly strive to be consistent from game to game. Honestly the fact that you're beating away at this makes you look kinda better though, so maybe I'll unvote you if I'm feeling nice

On May 21 2014 07:32 Holyflare wrote:
yes please do

##unvote
##vote steveling


You do realise, though, that Steve's semi-ridiculous behaviour makes it less likely he's mafia though, yes? (or traditional mafia. I'm just gonna say town for town and mafia for all the other factions until something tells me otherwise)

On May 21 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
if you're gonna play like last game i will actually policy lynch you and i honestly don't care


despite me being scum in the game he was talking about we literally only won because he was doing what he was doing as town and was an easy mislynch so i'm just going to get rid of him until he learns


Yes you literally only won because of my bad play as town right?
Not because NO ONE, LITERALLY NO ONE VOTED FOR A SCUM IN ALL 3 DAYS.

Oh wait, except me.


^^^ case in point


anyway bh if you take out newbie games towns recently have a 40%+ chance of finding mafia day 1 by lynching and so it's obv far better not to rng
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 20 2014 22:50 GMT
#508
On May 21 2014 07:49 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 07:48 Valenius wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:47 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:45 Steveling wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:43 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:36 marvellosity wrote:
Xatalos, I really have no idea, nor do I care, because I don't particularly strive to be consistent from game to game. Honestly the fact that you're beating away at this makes you look kinda better though, so maybe I'll unvote you if I'm feeling nice

On May 21 2014 07:32 Holyflare wrote:
yes please do

##unvote
##vote steveling


You do realise, though, that Steve's semi-ridiculous behaviour makes it less likely he's mafia though, yes? (or traditional mafia. I'm just gonna say town for town and mafia for all the other factions until something tells me otherwise)

On May 21 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
if you're gonna play like last game i will actually policy lynch you and i honestly don't care


despite me being scum in the game he was talking about we literally only won because he was doing what he was doing as town and was an easy mislynch so i'm just going to get rid of him until he learns


Yes you literally only won because of my bad play as town right?
Not because NO ONE, LITERALLY NO ONE VOTED FOR A SCUM IN ALL 3 DAYS.

Oh wait, except me.


^^^ case in point


anyway bh if you take out newbie games towns recently have a 40%+ chance of finding mafia day 1 by lynching and so it's obv far better not to rng


If you add in newbie games, we just lynch town/any claimed power roles. ezpz


And yeah I was about to post that, this is retarded by HF.


wtf is your problem??

bh wants to rng which is usually a 25% chance to mafia
normal lynching by poe has a 40%+ chance to hit mafia

i'm the retard right
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 20 2014 22:53 GMT
#512
ok right w/e please just policy this guy so i can get on with my life
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 20 2014 22:56 GMT
#522
uhh... is steveling actually being serious...? i can't actually tell anymore :o
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 20 2014 22:57 GMT
#529
On May 21 2014 07:56 Steveling wrote:
And btw, I didn't call you a retard HF and I have nothing against you.
I call your scum pleasing method retarded and you are the one who calls other people names.


how is playing the game by normal lynching people "scum serving" if it's a higher % chance to lynch scum than rng...? i can't comprehend your line of thought
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 20 2014 23:00 GMT
#534
ok i'm actually just going to fully ignore you for the rest of the game ~_~
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 20 2014 23:10 GMT
#552
On May 21 2014 08:06 Hapahauli wrote:
Can we stop troll voting and talk about someone that's actually scummy?
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 07:54 Hapahauli wrote:
...
@ Everyone

Let's kill Valenius:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg.

On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg.

Sheep me sheeping marv.
ezgame ezlife.


i thought you were hosting. wtf.

##vote: Koshi

On May 21 2014 06:29 Valenius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 06:28 Koshi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:27 Koshi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg.

Sheep me sheeping marv.
ezgame ezlife.


i thought you were hosting. wtf.

##vote: Koshi

Even though I am a divine being in this game. I ascended and joined the plebs. I don't have anything against plebs though, they are simple but amusing beings. I allow the smartest of them to call me Koshi. You can call me Master.

I might have meant descended. It is just hard for me to grasp going downwards.


It was such a nice post, I wasn't going to correct it for you.

On May 21 2014 06:50 Valenius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 06:49 Yell0w wrote:
So about this whole RNG thing, aren't scum players more likely to vote for OdinofPergo if he isn't in their faction since they don't even need a reason to vote him? They can just claim they're doing it for RNG and get a lynch on someone who isn't aligned with them?

Wouldn't a better way be to each claim we are RNG voting, then use the RNG on the post in which we claimed it and then vote for whomever our own post said? So that there is no way to know if you're going to lynch someone of your own faction or not so it's riskier for scum to go by RNG? Maybe I'm completely wrong here.


I like that, I haven't thought it through - But I like it.

RNG V2


On May 21 2014 06:52 Valenius wrote:
Actually, won't it cause the same theoretical situation, just with votes more spread?

On May 21 2014 07:44 Valenius wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 21 2014 07:42 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 06:17 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I'd lynch HF in a heartbeat if he aligned with mafia.


Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 06:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Oh I'd lynch tamburini in a heartbeat regardless of his alignment.


Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 07:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I'd lynch him in a heartbeat.


Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 07:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Sorry HF you've broken my heart too many times.


Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 07:33 Xatalos wrote:
Why this change of heart?


[image loading]

Chalis (ハート Heart) is an antagonist in Golden Sun: Dark Dawn. Together with Blados, she is one of the commanders of a secretive military nation named Tuaparang.

All three are bad guys taunting us in the thread. I rest my case.


LOL

##unvoted koshi btw
On May 21 2014 07:48 Valenius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 07:47 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:45 Steveling wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:43 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:36 marvellosity wrote:
Xatalos, I really have no idea, nor do I care, because I don't particularly strive to be consistent from game to game. Honestly the fact that you're beating away at this makes you look kinda better though, so maybe I'll unvote you if I'm feeling nice

On May 21 2014 07:32 Holyflare wrote:
yes please do

##unvote
##vote steveling


You do realise, though, that Steve's semi-ridiculous behaviour makes it less likely he's mafia though, yes? (or traditional mafia. I'm just gonna say town for town and mafia for all the other factions until something tells me otherwise)

On May 21 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
if you're gonna play like last game i will actually policy lynch you and i honestly don't care


despite me being scum in the game he was talking about we literally only won because he was doing what he was doing as town and was an easy mislynch so i'm just going to get rid of him until he learns


Yes you literally only won because of my bad play as town right?
Not because NO ONE, LITERALLY NO ONE VOTED FOR A SCUM IN ALL 3 DAYS.

Oh wait, except me.


^^^ case in point


anyway bh if you take out newbie games towns recently have a 40%+ chance of finding mafia day 1 by lynching and so it's obv far better not to rng


If you add in newbie games, we just lynch town/any claimed power roles. ezpz


6 posts, all of them a mixture of "+1'ing" other people and irrelevant comments. His filter reads a lot like someone who's artificially trying to insert himself in discussion.

##Vote: Valenius


i think he's town for this post:

On May 21 2014 07:50 Valenius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 07:48 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:45 jampidampi wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:33 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:40 jampidampi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:32 Blazinghand wrote:
Look, I know you guys all hate RNG lynch but with 4 factions there's gonna be way more scum than usual, right? This means RNG has a much higher chance than usual of hitting scum. This is possibly the best time EVER for using RNg. Everyone lynch OdinofPergo, because statistically speaking he is scum.

Why does more factions = more scum? Wouldn't scum numbers stay the same to keep the ratio of scum/all players balanced?


As a member of the balance team, I can assure you that a multifactional game supports more scum than a non-multifactional game. There are a number of reasons for this. Part of it is that, say, in a 2-scum-faction game, half of the scum will push on each other for reasons unrelated to bussing, because they can't distinguish between "scum on the other scum team" and "town". They'll even shoot into each other sometimes. Town loses the ability to make some associative tells, but the amount of crosstalk from scum accidentally pushing or shooting each other makes up for it.

2+2 scum with each group having 1 kp will never be as effective as 4 scum with 2 kp working together at killing town.

That being said, you never mentioned any real objection to the concept of RNG, you just questioned my estimate of scum in this game. I can only assume you didn't object to actual RNG because you think it would be fine if more factions = more scum. So, now that I've shown that more factions = more scum, you'll vote odin, yes?

I would need some kind of hard evindence that there are multiple scum factions in this game to RNG lynch, since those additional factions could be third parties and that wouldn't necessarily increase the scum numbers.


The definition of factions pretty much means they have to be scum aligned. Otherwise we'd just call them "blues". Even if they were like 3p factions or whatever, we'd still want them dead, right?

Also nice goalpost moving.

1. "do more factions = more scum? wouldn't scum numbers stay the same to keep the ratio... balanced?" as a question implies that you, like me, expected all or most of the factions to be scum factions.

2. but then "additional factions could be third parties..." later on is what you say after I show solve #1.

So, what's the deal? Why the resistance on the odinofpergo lynch???


From OP: "Town-Wincondition: Eliminate all Factions, which endanger town!"

Not necessarily all scum aligned?

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 20 2014 23:15 GMT
#565
On May 21 2014 08:13 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 08:10 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 08:06 Hapahauli wrote:
Can we stop troll voting and talk about someone that's actually scummy?
On May 21 2014 07:54 Hapahauli wrote:
...
@ Everyone

Let's kill Valenius:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg.

On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg.

Sheep me sheeping marv.
ezgame ezlife.


i thought you were hosting. wtf.

##vote: Koshi

On May 21 2014 06:29 Valenius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 06:28 Koshi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:27 Koshi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg.

Sheep me sheeping marv.
ezgame ezlife.


i thought you were hosting. wtf.

##vote: Koshi

Even though I am a divine being in this game. I ascended and joined the plebs. I don't have anything against plebs though, they are simple but amusing beings. I allow the smartest of them to call me Koshi. You can call me Master.

I might have meant descended. It is just hard for me to grasp going downwards.


It was such a nice post, I wasn't going to correct it for you.

On May 21 2014 06:50 Valenius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 06:49 Yell0w wrote:
So about this whole RNG thing, aren't scum players more likely to vote for OdinofPergo if he isn't in their faction since they don't even need a reason to vote him? They can just claim they're doing it for RNG and get a lynch on someone who isn't aligned with them?

Wouldn't a better way be to each claim we are RNG voting, then use the RNG on the post in which we claimed it and then vote for whomever our own post said? So that there is no way to know if you're going to lynch someone of your own faction or not so it's riskier for scum to go by RNG? Maybe I'm completely wrong here.


I like that, I haven't thought it through - But I like it.

RNG V2


On May 21 2014 06:52 Valenius wrote:
Actually, won't it cause the same theoretical situation, just with votes more spread?

On May 21 2014 07:44 Valenius wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 21 2014 07:42 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 06:17 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I'd lynch HF in a heartbeat if he aligned with mafia.


Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 06:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Oh I'd lynch tamburini in a heartbeat regardless of his alignment.


Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 07:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I'd lynch him in a heartbeat.


Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 07:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Sorry HF you've broken my heart too many times.


Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 07:33 Xatalos wrote:
Why this change of heart?


[image loading]

Chalis (ハート Heart) is an antagonist in Golden Sun: Dark Dawn. Together with Blados, she is one of the commanders of a secretive military nation named Tuaparang.

All three are bad guys taunting us in the thread. I rest my case.


LOL

##unvoted koshi btw
On May 21 2014 07:48 Valenius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 07:47 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:45 Steveling wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:43 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:36 marvellosity wrote:
Xatalos, I really have no idea, nor do I care, because I don't particularly strive to be consistent from game to game. Honestly the fact that you're beating away at this makes you look kinda better though, so maybe I'll unvote you if I'm feeling nice

On May 21 2014 07:32 Holyflare wrote:
yes please do

##unvote
##vote steveling


You do realise, though, that Steve's semi-ridiculous behaviour makes it less likely he's mafia though, yes? (or traditional mafia. I'm just gonna say town for town and mafia for all the other factions until something tells me otherwise)

On May 21 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
if you're gonna play like last game i will actually policy lynch you and i honestly don't care


despite me being scum in the game he was talking about we literally only won because he was doing what he was doing as town and was an easy mislynch so i'm just going to get rid of him until he learns


Yes you literally only won because of my bad play as town right?
Not because NO ONE, LITERALLY NO ONE VOTED FOR A SCUM IN ALL 3 DAYS.

Oh wait, except me.


^^^ case in point


anyway bh if you take out newbie games towns recently have a 40%+ chance of finding mafia day 1 by lynching and so it's obv far better not to rng


If you add in newbie games, we just lynch town/any claimed power roles. ezpz


6 posts, all of them a mixture of "+1'ing" other people and irrelevant comments. His filter reads a lot like someone who's artificially trying to insert himself in discussion.

##Vote: Valenius


i think he's town for this post:

On May 21 2014 07:50 Valenius wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:48 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:45 jampidampi wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:33 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:40 jampidampi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:32 Blazinghand wrote:
Look, I know you guys all hate RNG lynch but with 4 factions there's gonna be way more scum than usual, right? This means RNG has a much higher chance than usual of hitting scum. This is possibly the best time EVER for using RNg. Everyone lynch OdinofPergo, because statistically speaking he is scum.

Why does more factions = more scum? Wouldn't scum numbers stay the same to keep the ratio of scum/all players balanced?


As a member of the balance team, I can assure you that a multifactional game supports more scum than a non-multifactional game. There are a number of reasons for this. Part of it is that, say, in a 2-scum-faction game, half of the scum will push on each other for reasons unrelated to bussing, because they can't distinguish between "scum on the other scum team" and "town". They'll even shoot into each other sometimes. Town loses the ability to make some associative tells, but the amount of crosstalk from scum accidentally pushing or shooting each other makes up for it.

2+2 scum with each group having 1 kp will never be as effective as 4 scum with 2 kp working together at killing town.

That being said, you never mentioned any real objection to the concept of RNG, you just questioned my estimate of scum in this game. I can only assume you didn't object to actual RNG because you think it would be fine if more factions = more scum. So, now that I've shown that more factions = more scum, you'll vote odin, yes?

I would need some kind of hard evindence that there are multiple scum factions in this game to RNG lynch, since those additional factions could be third parties and that wouldn't necessarily increase the scum numbers.


The definition of factions pretty much means they have to be scum aligned. Otherwise we'd just call them "blues". Even if they were like 3p factions or whatever, we'd still want them dead, right?

Also nice goalpost moving.

1. "do more factions = more scum? wouldn't scum numbers stay the same to keep the ratio... balanced?" as a question implies that you, like me, expected all or most of the factions to be scum factions.

2. but then "additional factions could be third parties..." later on is what you say after I show solve #1.

So, what's the deal? Why the resistance on the odinofpergo lynch???


From OP: "Town-Wincondition: Eliminate all Factions, which endanger town!"

Not necessarily all scum aligned?



Are you trolling me or are you serious? Pulling publicly-available information from the OP does not make someone town.

Also, why do you have your vote on the most obvious townie in the thread?


because you aren't reading what i've stated twice and no it's absolutely not trolling, who is more likely to pull someone from the op indicating that some factions might not be scum aligned? mafia, town or a maybe town aligned 3p factioner? to me it looks more like that latter regardless of his lackluster contributions
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 20 2014 23:16 GMT
#566
something*
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 20 2014 23:40 GMT
#583
On May 21 2014 08:29 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 08:15 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 08:13 Hapahauli wrote:
On May 21 2014 08:10 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 08:06 Hapahauli wrote:
Can we stop troll voting and talk about someone that's actually scummy?
On May 21 2014 07:54 Hapahauli wrote:
...
@ Everyone

Let's kill Valenius:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg.

On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg.

Sheep me sheeping marv.
ezgame ezlife.


i thought you were hosting. wtf.

##vote: Koshi

On May 21 2014 06:29 Valenius wrote:
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On May 21 2014 06:28 Koshi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:27 Koshi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg.

Sheep me sheeping marv.
ezgame ezlife.


i thought you were hosting. wtf.

##vote: Koshi

Even though I am a divine being in this game. I ascended and joined the plebs. I don't have anything against plebs though, they are simple but amusing beings. I allow the smartest of them to call me Koshi. You can call me Master.

I might have meant descended. It is just hard for me to grasp going downwards.


It was such a nice post, I wasn't going to correct it for you.

On May 21 2014 06:50 Valenius wrote:
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On May 21 2014 06:49 Yell0w wrote:
So about this whole RNG thing, aren't scum players more likely to vote for OdinofPergo if he isn't in their faction since they don't even need a reason to vote him? They can just claim they're doing it for RNG and get a lynch on someone who isn't aligned with them?

Wouldn't a better way be to each claim we are RNG voting, then use the RNG on the post in which we claimed it and then vote for whomever our own post said? So that there is no way to know if you're going to lynch someone of your own faction or not so it's riskier for scum to go by RNG? Maybe I'm completely wrong here.


I like that, I haven't thought it through - But I like it.

RNG V2


On May 21 2014 06:52 Valenius wrote:
Actually, won't it cause the same theoretical situation, just with votes more spread?

On May 21 2014 07:44 Valenius wrote:
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On May 21 2014 07:42 kitaman27 wrote:
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On May 21 2014 06:17 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I'd lynch HF in a heartbeat if he aligned with mafia.


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On May 21 2014 06:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Oh I'd lynch tamburini in a heartbeat regardless of his alignment.


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On May 21 2014 07:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I'd lynch him in a heartbeat.


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On May 21 2014 07:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Sorry HF you've broken my heart too many times.


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On May 21 2014 07:33 Xatalos wrote:
Why this change of heart?


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Chalis (ハート Heart) is an antagonist in Golden Sun: Dark Dawn. Together with Blados, she is one of the commanders of a secretive military nation named Tuaparang.

All three are bad guys taunting us in the thread. I rest my case.


LOL

##unvoted koshi btw
On May 21 2014 07:48 Valenius wrote:
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On May 21 2014 07:47 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:45 Steveling wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:43 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:36 marvellosity wrote:
Xatalos, I really have no idea, nor do I care, because I don't particularly strive to be consistent from game to game. Honestly the fact that you're beating away at this makes you look kinda better though, so maybe I'll unvote you if I'm feeling nice

On May 21 2014 07:32 Holyflare wrote:
yes please do

##unvote
##vote steveling


You do realise, though, that Steve's semi-ridiculous behaviour makes it less likely he's mafia though, yes? (or traditional mafia. I'm just gonna say town for town and mafia for all the other factions until something tells me otherwise)

On May 21 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
if you're gonna play like last game i will actually policy lynch you and i honestly don't care


despite me being scum in the game he was talking about we literally only won because he was doing what he was doing as town and was an easy mislynch so i'm just going to get rid of him until he learns


Yes you literally only won because of my bad play as town right?
Not because NO ONE, LITERALLY NO ONE VOTED FOR A SCUM IN ALL 3 DAYS.

Oh wait, except me.


^^^ case in point


anyway bh if you take out newbie games towns recently have a 40%+ chance of finding mafia day 1 by lynching and so it's obv far better not to rng


If you add in newbie games, we just lynch town/any claimed power roles. ezpz


6 posts, all of them a mixture of "+1'ing" other people and irrelevant comments. His filter reads a lot like someone who's artificially trying to insert himself in discussion.

##Vote: Valenius


i think he's town for this post:

On May 21 2014 07:50 Valenius wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:48 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:45 jampidampi wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:33 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:40 jampidampi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:32 Blazinghand wrote:
Look, I know you guys all hate RNG lynch but with 4 factions there's gonna be way more scum than usual, right? This means RNG has a much higher chance than usual of hitting scum. This is possibly the best time EVER for using RNg. Everyone lynch OdinofPergo, because statistically speaking he is scum.

Why does more factions = more scum? Wouldn't scum numbers stay the same to keep the ratio of scum/all players balanced?


As a member of the balance team, I can assure you that a multifactional game supports more scum than a non-multifactional game. There are a number of reasons for this. Part of it is that, say, in a 2-scum-faction game, half of the scum will push on each other for reasons unrelated to bussing, because they can't distinguish between "scum on the other scum team" and "town". They'll even shoot into each other sometimes. Town loses the ability to make some associative tells, but the amount of crosstalk from scum accidentally pushing or shooting each other makes up for it.

2+2 scum with each group having 1 kp will never be as effective as 4 scum with 2 kp working together at killing town.

That being said, you never mentioned any real objection to the concept of RNG, you just questioned my estimate of scum in this game. I can only assume you didn't object to actual RNG because you think it would be fine if more factions = more scum. So, now that I've shown that more factions = more scum, you'll vote odin, yes?

I would need some kind of hard evindence that there are multiple scum factions in this game to RNG lynch, since those additional factions could be third parties and that wouldn't necessarily increase the scum numbers.


The definition of factions pretty much means they have to be scum aligned. Otherwise we'd just call them "blues". Even if they were like 3p factions or whatever, we'd still want them dead, right?

Also nice goalpost moving.

1. "do more factions = more scum? wouldn't scum numbers stay the same to keep the ratio... balanced?" as a question implies that you, like me, expected all or most of the factions to be scum factions.

2. but then "additional factions could be third parties..." later on is what you say after I show solve #1.

So, what's the deal? Why the resistance on the odinofpergo lynch???


From OP: "Town-Wincondition: Eliminate all Factions, which endanger town!"

Not necessarily all scum aligned?



Are you trolling me or are you serious? Pulling publicly-available information from the OP does not make someone town.

Also, why do you have your vote on the most obvious townie in the thread?


because you aren't reading what i've stated twice and no it's absolutely not trolling, who is more likely to pull someone from the op indicating that some factions might not be scum aligned? mafia, town or a maybe town aligned 3p factioner? to me it looks more like that latter regardless of his lackluster contributions


I don't think so at all. For example, it would make perfect sense in this game for a scum-aligned faction member to know that information in the OP, since they too are aware of the other factions in this game.

In general, I don't think speculating on what factions know what sort of information is wise in a closed-themed setup.


it's not to do with checking op it's to do with specifically being in the frame of mind to think about pointing out that there might be a town aligned faction or w/e while bh is talking about rnging it just doesn't strike me as scummy, the rest of his posts are shitty yeh but checking up in db he's only played newbies and been town so taking them with a mega grain of salt

long time left to draw conclusions
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