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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2014 01:32 GMT
#2813
i've seen like 5 blue claims this game on day 1 lol, kind of ridiculous!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2014 01:39 GMT
#2816
i am the 5th faction Golden Sun
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2014 01:56 GMT
#2823
On May 23 2014 10:48 OnceKing wrote:
to clarify i would say that post by BlueyD puts him on the scummy side of things. I'd vote to kill him, but he wouldn't be my first choice. In my personal experience mafia members like to come in after a ML and call people idiots despite not doing anything about it

like, if you thought it was a terrible idea then why weren't you around for almost a whole day to stop it from happening? more than likely is scum wanting to say "sheep me, i knew this was wrong" but instead of actually pushing the idea that it's wrong you wait until after the lynch when it can't be changed anymore to whine at us.


this guy is onto something, maybe i should be listening to kita! :OOOO

blueyd just straight up assumes we lynched odin because of rng? what if we found other information that pointed heavily towards him being scum and it looked really convincing, why would he be posting that we're idiots before actually reading?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2014 04:57 GMT
#2834
On May 23 2014 13:18 Hapahauli wrote:
Hm. That lynch result was unfortunate. Though the good news is that we have a lot of material to work with - these crazy late vote swaps always generate good information.

I'll be reading the buildup to the lynch tomorrow, as I just drove 8 hours and I'm dead tired. My first instinct is to look into players on the Odin wagon that followed Blazinghand's RNG lynch as opposed to lynching Odin for actually being suspicious of him. Yell0w stuck with his early RNG vote on Odin despite having several other scum-reads in his filter. Alakaslam never mentioned a scum-read on Odin either (other the RNG stuff). Not sure if that's just Slam being Slam, but that's objectively pretty terrible.

Obviously there are more people to look into than the two I mentioned above - Cavalihno's case looks interesting at first glance, and I'll need to verify that myself after I get some sleep. Tambo essentially wasting his vote late in the cycle is also very bad.


Since several people expressed concern about my own actions during the lynch, I can't defend myself other than simply not being able to post while driving on a highway. My travel schedule today was terrible, and I really wish I could have been around for the deadline.

Instead, I had a very short time to get acquainted with BlazingHand's case, saw a bunch of reputable players follow it, and kinda just went with the flow. Given the result and hindsight, I very much regret how it played out, but there was very little I could do today to help it.


can you name the reputable players without looking and also say if you think they are town this game
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2014 05:30 GMT
#2843
On May 23 2014 14:07 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 13:57 Holyflare wrote:
On May 23 2014 13:18 Hapahauli wrote:
Hm. That lynch result was unfortunate. Though the good news is that we have a lot of material to work with - these crazy late vote swaps always generate good information.

I'll be reading the buildup to the lynch tomorrow, as I just drove 8 hours and I'm dead tired. My first instinct is to look into players on the Odin wagon that followed Blazinghand's RNG lynch as opposed to lynching Odin for actually being suspicious of him. Yell0w stuck with his early RNG vote on Odin despite having several other scum-reads in his filter. Alakaslam never mentioned a scum-read on Odin either (other the RNG stuff). Not sure if that's just Slam being Slam, but that's objectively pretty terrible.

Obviously there are more people to look into than the two I mentioned above - Cavalihno's case looks interesting at first glance, and I'll need to verify that myself after I get some sleep. Tambo essentially wasting his vote late in the cycle is also very bad.


Since several people expressed concern about my own actions during the lynch, I can't defend myself other than simply not being able to post while driving on a highway. My travel schedule today was terrible, and I really wish I could have been around for the deadline.

Instead, I had a very short time to get acquainted with BlazingHand's case, saw a bunch of reputable players follow it, and kinda just went with the flow. Given the result and hindsight, I very much regret how it played out, but there was very little I could do today to help it.


can you name the reputable players without looking and also say if you think they are town this game


Marv/Kita/BH off the top of my head.

The thing is, it doesn't really matter if they're town. Given that there are multiple factions, it's highly likely that mafia and town can have similar objectives (lynching other factions). If you want my surface reads on them...
BH = Town
Kita = Null
Marv = Slight-Town


Of course it matters if they're town because you want to find not-town people and they could be pushing agendas as not town?? Are you solely saying that you followed them because their names were all up there and pretty like? Now that you know he was town do they look more suspicious to you for providing 0 reasoning for lynching odin? Kita doesn't even mention wanting to lynch odin at all afaik in his entire filter.

On May 23 2014 06:34 kitaman27 wrote:
There were a couple of people who voted for Odin based on a "logically sound case", rather than actually sharing a belief that he was mafia.

I know some may consider this a matter of semantics here, but I put some value into it. Will look back later.


^ does that look more strange to you now considering that? Kita falls into that category of people but he wants to look into those people. Does that make sense?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2014 15:16 GMT
#2889
waiiiiiiiiit what??? 4h 43 mins isnt right, this is 24-1 so deadline is 3h 43?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2014 15:36 GMT
#2895
On May 24 2014 00:18 marvellosity wrote:
it is right. it's 9 oclock holy, just like deadline was last night.


End of day is 9 like yesterday, deadline should be 8 because it's 23-1
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2014 15:41 GMT
#2898
Cool shit. Tambo clock is ticking.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2014 15:41 GMT
#2899
On May 24 2014 00:41 Alakaslam wrote:
Lol

Here we are, the conglomerate of the blues/reds, all panicking like "ack ack when is the deadline?!?!?"


Reds ask in qt's bro
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2014 15:58 GMT
#2905
On May 24 2014 00:55 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 14:30 Holyflare wrote:
On May 23 2014 14:07 Hapahauli wrote:
On May 23 2014 13:57 Holyflare wrote:
On May 23 2014 13:18 Hapahauli wrote:
Hm. That lynch result was unfortunate. Though the good news is that we have a lot of material to work with - these crazy late vote swaps always generate good information.

I'll be reading the buildup to the lynch tomorrow, as I just drove 8 hours and I'm dead tired. My first instinct is to look into players on the Odin wagon that followed Blazinghand's RNG lynch as opposed to lynching Odin for actually being suspicious of him. Yell0w stuck with his early RNG vote on Odin despite having several other scum-reads in his filter. Alakaslam never mentioned a scum-read on Odin either (other the RNG stuff). Not sure if that's just Slam being Slam, but that's objectively pretty terrible.

Obviously there are more people to look into than the two I mentioned above - Cavalihno's case looks interesting at first glance, and I'll need to verify that myself after I get some sleep. Tambo essentially wasting his vote late in the cycle is also very bad.


Since several people expressed concern about my own actions during the lynch, I can't defend myself other than simply not being able to post while driving on a highway. My travel schedule today was terrible, and I really wish I could have been around for the deadline.

Instead, I had a very short time to get acquainted with BlazingHand's case, saw a bunch of reputable players follow it, and kinda just went with the flow. Given the result and hindsight, I very much regret how it played out, but there was very little I could do today to help it.


can you name the reputable players without looking and also say if you think they are town this game


Marv/Kita/BH off the top of my head.

The thing is, it doesn't really matter if they're town. Given that there are multiple factions, it's highly likely that mafia and town can have similar objectives (lynching other factions). If you want my surface reads on them...
BH = Town
Kita = Null
Marv = Slight-Town


Of course it matters if they're town because you want to find not-town people and they could be pushing agendas as not town?? Are you solely saying that you followed them because their names were all up there and pretty like? Now that you know he was town do they look more suspicious to you for providing 0 reasoning for lynching odin? Kita doesn't even mention wanting to lynch odin at all afaik in his entire filter.

On May 23 2014 06:34 kitaman27 wrote:
There were a couple of people who voted for Odin based on a "logically sound case", rather than actually sharing a belief that he was mafia.

I know some may consider this a matter of semantics here, but I put some value into it. Will look back later.


^ does that look more strange to you now considering that? Kita falls into that category of people but he wants to look into those people. Does that make sense?


I don't know - I'm going to look at the lynch right now and see what I find.

But yes I sorta just went with the flow on the last lynch, basically because their names were "shiny". There's really not much else I can do while driving. Was it a good idea in hindsight? Probably not. I did manage to skim the BlazingHand case enough to think it was pretty good (as did many other people), and thought my vote would be of better use consolidating with the rest of the town.


What about the kita stuff? :p
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2014 18:17 GMT
#2959
Steveling you are misinterpreting so many things because of language barriers

And yeh hapa, that's the last time i listen to anything you have to say! </3
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2014 18:21 GMT
#2968
On May 24 2014 03:19 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2014 03:17 Holyflare wrote:
Steveling you are misinterpreting so many things because of language barriers

And yeh hapa, that's the last time i listen to anything you have to say! </3


Well he quoted my post and said "him", so not my fault rly.


It's not just that. You've made some whole associative thing with cav/kita/marv on a post that you don't understand the context of because it's some kind of English nuance
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2014 18:25 GMT
#2972
On May 24 2014 03:23 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2014 03:21 Holyflare wrote:
On May 24 2014 03:19 Steveling wrote:
On May 24 2014 03:17 Holyflare wrote:
Steveling you are misinterpreting so many things because of language barriers

And yeh hapa, that's the last time i listen to anything you have to say! </3


Well he quoted my post and said "him", so not my fault rly.


It's not just that. You've made some whole associative thing with cav/kita/marv on a post that you don't understand the context of because it's some kind of English nuance


I get what you mean but you are the one who doesn't understand me.

I said that no matter what their reasons where I still find it scummy.
You said that they were joking.

See what I mean? Doesn't matter why they had this little 3 man train, joking or not, I don't like it.


If i was around i would have also +1'd it. You don't like it because you've drawn a conclusion based on your understanding of what it says in basic english when to native speakers it's quite clearly a jab at bh in a joking way.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2014 18:27 GMT
#2980
On May 24 2014 03:26 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2014 03:25 layabout wrote:
That case on y3llow is horrific and i would normally call it pretty scummy tbh. Being absent during the last 3 hours of the day (which is when the odin wagon started in earnest) is not something that we can necessarily infer things from because we have no way of knowing if the absence is legitimate. That's a narrative, a few quotes and no argument with some added complaining about doing work for the thread.


the dude was absent for way more than the last 3 hours of the day tho and he hasn't veen back since then so yewah, get served


Doesn't that highlight the fact that he's just not around?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2014 18:29 GMT
#2983
On May 24 2014 03:25 Steveling wrote:
Btw HF, regarding my reads yesterday, the only one whom you defended was marv. Since you thought that I had some faulty reasons.
Does that mean you agree with all the other reads?
What do you think of these people?


Well that was the one you drew conclusions from inaccurate translations on, so i was just pointing it out. The others are contextual posts that I'd have to read myself but I'd rather see the night actions before that, honestly.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2014 18:31 GMT
#2988
On May 24 2014 03:30 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2014 03:29 Steveling wrote:
On May 24 2014 03:25 Blazinghand wrote:
here take a look at my filter in like the first game I played on TL Mafia

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/291067-student-mafia-new-newish-players-welcome?user=Blazinghand

Some choice quotes

On December 10 2011 13:19 Blazinghand wrote:
BKEXE, I'd be more careful about how I post, were I you. I personally feel a great deal of frustration in my attempts to parse the tomato-stained spaghetti that you call "analysis", and I am one of the more patient folk here. Please, for the good of the town (if you are town) make your case in a legible fashion.

Thank you.


more funly worded but I still just called a dude bad and told him to be better

moral of the story is i'm just a dick


You can be dicks all you want.
I'm too.
But the whole vet thing is just silly and a cancerous limb that needs to be cut off.


Good luck trying that on a vet like me huehuehuehuehuehue


:D
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2014 18:35 GMT
#2996
Just lynch the people that don't contribute a single thing at night. Legitimate scum heuristic.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2014 18:37 GMT
#2999
Thrawn town read kush for the shittiest reasons btw, surprised kush didn't mention it.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2014 18:44 GMT
#3007
On May 24 2014 03:37 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2014 03:32 layabout wrote:
On May 24 2014 03:26 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 24 2014 03:25 layabout wrote:
That case on y3llow is horrific and i would normally call it pretty scummy tbh. Being absent during the last 3 hours of the day (which is when the odin wagon started in earnest) is not something that we can necessarily infer things from because we have no way of knowing if the absence is legitimate. That's a narrative, a few quotes and no argument with some added complaining about doing work for the thread.


the dude was absent for way more than the last 3 hours of the day tho and he hasn't veen back since then so yewah, get served

"dude" your first game of mafia wasn't even student it was the 80 player one

@ hapa cephiro was one of if not the first players to move the discussion into the realms of because of A and B player C is Mafia


You are 100% correct. However in a multi-faction game, pursuing a read genuinely is not a town-tell.

Had he contributed at all to discussion out side of Bunnies (hell had he did anything outside of tunneling a single person), I might think differently of his play. But he didn't.


I like your maf read on ceph abd i added him to my list at the end of the day. I think his last post is MORE telling though. He asks people:

On May 21 2014 13:34 Cephiro wrote:
General question to the players in the game:

1) Is my play more likely to come from town or scum?
2) Reasoning for the above.

Answer these if you'd like to help me get a read on you.


Which is probably the weirdest thing for anyone to ask. To me it looks like he's gathering consensus on if he can play really shit or not if people town read him, not the face value reason of getting reads because honestly what does ye expect to gather it's going to be pretty much the same thing from everyone.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 23 2014 18:47 GMT
#3012
On May 24 2014 03:40 Blazinghand wrote:
I would also like to note that, even though Odin HAPPENED to flip town, and even though when I started writing that case on him I was doing it just cause he was my RNG target, it was still a good case. Partway through, I started to really believe it. It was just gonna be a half-assed thing, but as I wrote more and more and read more and more I started to eat my own dog food, so to speak. I wanted Odin to be scum, so bad. I wanted him to be scum and when he said and did scummy things I was so happy.

You can't understand how happy I'd have been if he flipped scum, if RNG had really truly worked. Think about every game from now on: I could suggest RNG saying that it has lynched scum every time people implemented it. I [u]believed, and even if only for a few hours, so did many of you. Even though Odin flipped town, we still have that memory, and I will always treasure it.
[/i]

Probably why 50% of it was bad then :D

Also i want tambo to die even if just for the information. If he is actually town the people that were switching look more town etc.
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