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On January 07 2014 07:25 WaveofShadow wrote: Disclaimers before the game begins: I will likely not be around for deadlines as it coincides with bedtime ritual for my little guy, though I will be around shortly after. ...think that's about it. Not going to pre-emptively apologize for gaps in activity because I know that without them I'd be one of the most if not THE most active person in the game as is (after Rayn, of course. And maybe gumshoe if he actually plays  ).and isn't mislynched day 1, or shot night 1 cause my pm buddy outs me as a blue Also your spawn better appreciate the hell out of his nightly ritual XD | ||
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While it would of course be ideal for me to focus all my efforts on lynching scum, circumstance and recent experience has made not dying my first matter of business. While that may seem somewhat selfish/scummy/idiotic the threat of me bieng mislynched early on is in fact a very real one. And I believe I can do town a great service by simply not getting myself killed, thereby protecting the only person I know for a fact bleeds the colour green, albiet a rather yellowish flemy hue of it. TLDR Will catch scum in exchange for living to see another sunrise. | ||
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On January 07 2014 09:48 Corazon wrote: @gumshoe Earn the right to get to D2, don't ask for it. @Corazon. Your girl blogs suck | ||
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On January 07 2014 09:48 Corazon wrote: @gumshoe Earn the right to get to D2, don't ask for it. In all seriousness, the reason I need to ask is because I have earned the right on multiple occasions to see day 2, and that right didn't serve me a damm. So now I'm trying a different tactic, begging. Will it help if I say pretty please? | ||
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On January 07 2014 09:54 iamperfection wrote: So how do you catch scum? If all you purpose is peace? He doesn't, he just convinces them to give up the thug life. | ||
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On January 07 2014 09:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Unfortunately to get peace sometimes we must purge the lands of those who seek to disrupt that peace and manipulate it. I wish it weren't necessary. | ||
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On January 07 2014 09:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: This is a scumslip. Artanis realizes that purging the land of mafia is necessary, but wishes that he didn't have to. He is mafia and doesn't want to hurt his mafia brethren. If Artanis were truly peace-loving then he would be more than happy to rid the land of evil forces. For the town, lynch Artanis. I will say its actually interesting that Artanis felt the need to compromise his views his views in the slightest... Ive played voice games with him recently were he claimed jester as town in a jesterless setup.... and held his ground the whole game XD. Even though his switching up a rather trollish opinion in a rather trollish way, the fact that hes switching it at all is an unnerving thing for a secure Artanis to do ) : | ||
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On January 07 2014 10:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: So you see this compromising of trollish behavior as scummy? Interesting. Ok so you've played voice with him, can you tell me more about his trolling in particular? Maybe his playstyle, even. Haven't played much with Artanis so I can't get a feel for his feels (if you know what I mean) I wouldnt be putting too much stock in it if he hadnt just confirmed that his voice play is affecting his forum play, but seeing as hes opened that door why not. Hes a trollish persona regardless of his alignment, hes usually pretty laid back and unwilling to compromise his own fun to win a game XD which is why him adjusting his initial stance of being a peace loving peace lover of peace due to only a little pressure coming out of IAM is interesting. I'm not willing to call him scum for it though, you could just as easily be a scum player trying to get me to secure your mislynch for you, so I'll hold off on the verdicts for now. | ||
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On January 07 2014 10:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Gum, do you feel I'm the scummiest person so far or is there someone that jumped on the heat you find more suspicious because of it? I can't really tell from your post. I found what you did curios, not scummy, cheesecakes jump on you though isn't as simple, cause it happened through me which leads me to believe he cared more about how I responded to the question then how you play in voice. Which isn't alignment indicative, it just means he's started playing the game. Right now I think there are focus points in the thread, but no actual indications of scum intent, something that is sure to change so long as we keep talking ( : | ||
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On January 07 2014 10:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: So basically you wrote 4 sentences about something you said you thought was curious, then another four sentences on why it isn't alignment indicative. You gain scumpointsᵀᴹ! Do I level up? Btw curios doesn't mean scummy, it just means I wanna know what other people think about you, and I'll put forth my actual thoughts on you to do that and get responses that way instead of just asking bland questions. Besides, just because I'm town doesn't mean I have to tell you everything I'm thinking : P and just because I'm super awesome doesn't mean I'll have scum reads out the gate, so chew on the null reads for a while, if you actually read the process instead of sneering at the conclusion youll find both worth, and proof that I am at the very least trying to think about the game from a townie perspective. | ||
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Yamato is a townie that a lot of people expect a lot out of, in extractor trick mafia he was out there directing town discussion from the get go, here he is just kinda being silly, but it takes balls to be an unhelpful player with a helpful reputation, and the day is still young so I would say give him a bit before dropping the hammer, I doubt he'd be this trolly as scum, knowing it would draw attention to himself in exactly this fashion. | ||
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On January 07 2014 10:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You can level up if you accumulate enough points to lynch with fire status. Currently you're at prod with a glowstick status. My problem is that you're saying a lot of things without saying anything of worth that helps us get further. On voice mafia you tend to rant a lot as well, both as town and scum, but I believe you put in more effort to push town forward and ask questions as town than as scum. I don't see you trying to figure out alignments, you're just saying nothing. The best way to prove you're town is to hunt for scum. Actual Scum hunting is townie, building and pushing a case against someone because that's what townies do is not. What do you think of Iam pushing a reckless Yamato ? ( sigh, boring question alert.) | ||
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On January 07 2014 10:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You can level up if you accumulate enough points to lynch with fire status. Currently you're at prod with a glowstick status. My problem is that you're saying a lot of things without saying anything of worth that helps us get further. On voice mafia you tend to rant a lot as well, both as town and scum, but I believe you put in more effort to push town forward and ask questions as town than as scum. I don't see you trying to figure out alignments, you're just saying nothing. The best way to prove you're town is to hunt for scum. Btw I'd prod you with a glow stick anyway : P | ||
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On January 07 2014 10:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Artanis I feel like this is contradictory. You call out Gumshoe for saying stuff that isn't alignment indicative, but here we are. I fail to see the point of the last sentence. I get what he's saying, he means the act of prodding the sleeping lion doesn't say anything about Iams alignment but is in of itself pro town, because it encourages Yamato to play, which I don't neccecairely agree with, because the way iam called out Yamato was in A very accusatory tone that suggests he wouldn't actually listen to what Yamato would have to say, despite how scummy he finds him not saying anything to be. Also going by this and earlier dialogue it feels like Artanis and iam are pretty chummy / : Artanis how is Iam more townie than me in this game? What has he done to earn your subtle approval? Also welcome to the game Wos, what do you think of the way cheese pushes Artanis and soft defends me? | ||
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On January 07 2014 11:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I have Iam as null, slightly leaning townie for attempting to get discussion going when everyone was still trolling. I think scum would be happy to just keep the fun up for as long as possible. I don't feel like the aggressive way of Iamp approaching Yamato is alignment indicative. I didn't feel like he was accusing as much as attempting to antagonize Yamato into contributing. His agressive posturing got Yamato to respond in exactly the same way that he was being called out for. Which isn't all that surprising considering trolling is an easy response to anger regardless of alignment. There were better ways of getting Yamato to contribute, the one he chose sounds more like he's trying to push an eventual Yamato lynch rather than get him talking. | ||
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On January 07 2014 11:18 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: God damnit I want something interesting to happen instead of generic answers. I'm sorry... Your sons tests came back positive for crocodile DNA... You are not the father T-T | ||
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On January 07 2014 11:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: If I'm not the father how can it be my son. Check and mate. You became not the father only at the end of that sentence, innocent till proven guilty son : P Welcome to the game Cora, who other than Yamato has Iam crumbed? | ||
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On January 07 2014 11:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Not lynching gumshoe this game. You sure? No takebackzies Also all pleas to town aside rayn, never say never, I have to roll scum eventually, and Ultimatly if I get lynched its my own fault, not yours ) : | ||
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On January 07 2014 11:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Not lynching gumshoe this game. How do you feel about Artanis dropping his troll style so quickly, do you think he would have kept on like that if unmolested for it or did he do it to draw bullshit accusations? | ||
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On January 07 2014 11:38 WaveofShadow wrote: For the record if you want to get yamato to contribute, just threaten to lynch him for a really bad reason. Works every time. ^.^ Welcome Rayn and Cora. Cheese I as well have seen that happen multiple times. Sadly I have seen games where most of the inactives are town just as often if not more often than the ones where the inactives are scum. Not this time, does that make him scum you think? Or is Yamato waiting for the last possible moment to regale us with his glorious reads? | ||
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On January 07 2014 11:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: This man, such faith, how does one do it? Probs roles scum every game sides, I'm pretty sure he thinks I'm scum and is just trying to lul me to sleep in order to coordinate a midnight lynch. ( I know this isn't majority lynch, but I'm sure rayn will find a way XD) That said, It is late here and I plan to finally catch spl tomorrow so gl all, I will leave my reads though case I die inexplicably. Leaning scummy on cheesecake, don't like the way he asked me about Artanis in voice, it was done in a really neutral way but left the door open for me to use it as an opportunity to attack Artanis. Basically I read it more as him trying to start a fight than him feeling out our alignments. He's very active but hasn't really contributed much, and is very eager to buddy up with talkative townies ( me and especially Artanis who cheesecake despreatly tried to repair relations with after he "misread" one of artanis's posts.) his filter includes lurker discussion in a game so far without actual lurkers, extreme buddying, and goofiness long after the time of goofballs has ended and very little honest scum hunting. Iamp leaning scummy cause of the aggressive way he called out Yamato, Rayn wos Yamato neutral cause not enough to go on. Cora scummy cause I don't like his face. Artanis townie cause he is actually trying to shape up town and he makes sense. Also he thinks I'm scum, which makes me more confident he's town. | ||
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On January 07 2014 11:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Nope nothing else has really interested me. Oh there was one thing I wanted to mention but I didn't find it relevant anymore so I didn't btoher. I'll say it now anyway just for kicks. Gumshoe/Artanis's discussion points regarding analysis of voice mafia play v. forum mafia play made me go 'ehhhhhhhhh,' because voice mafia and forum mafia are incredibly different and there is very little you can do to directly compare the two. I don't really have a conclusion to draw from that either but it was one thing that struck me for whatever reason. Artanis's play early on resembled his voice mafia style, it is also the only experience I have with him so it was better than nothing, he himself admitted his voice play was bleeding into to his forum play so we had a discussion about it. Where lies the issue and what are you trying to insinuate? That we're both scum? Or One of us is?your leaving this very open ended and I'd prefer you come to your own conclusions before you wait and see what someone else might conjure up. Also you fail to mention cheesecake, who indulged me in this seemingly nonsensical discussion, how do you feel about him pushing a matter you consider irrelevant in a manner that might have me got me into a fight with Artanis? | ||
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On January 07 2014 11:47 Corazon wrote: gumshoe, can you define crumbed? It's the state you'll find yourself in once I'm through with you. | ||
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On January 07 2014 12:08 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I don't really understand this line of thinking. Where could I have gotten you into a fight with Artanis? I asked you about the voice mafia and how it compared to what he was doing this game. My initial analysis of Artanis's play in voice was negative, by inquiring about my experience with him in voice in relation to this game you were basically asking me for my thoughts about a potential scum read before I myself was willing to commit to that scum read. | ||
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On January 07 2014 12:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: gumshoe you really should not compare voice mafia "meta" to forum mafia, those things are totally different. Artanis has played mostly serious in forum mafia, the game start he had was a weird one from him that echoed his voice play more so than his forum. what's more it's been sometime since he actually played forum mafia, last game he played was titanic, so its reasonable to think his recent experience in voice may have bled into his play, something he himself conceded. Honestly though I didn't say much about it until cheesecake prompted me to, so I'm mostly with you, though I do think we're getting at least a smidgen of certainly jester Artanis this game. | ||
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On January 07 2014 12:15 Corazon wrote: Gumshoe calling me scum without any reasoning behind it. Now that is nonsensical T.T I don't really think your scum, I just don't like you ATM, and I don't think conversation between us would yield much seeing as we're both resolved to be hostile to one another ( or at least you are yah big jerk ) oh and if you did turn out to be scum I'd be pleasantly surprised ( : | ||
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On January 07 2014 12:24 Corazon wrote: Gumshoe, what am I supposed to think about you when you beg to not be lynched D1 and then say you don't like me but not think I'm scum? exactly the same as I think of you, gl on the girl blog. Night night all, happy hunting. | ||
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On January 07 2014 18:05 justanothertownie wrote: Why are you poking Cora like that? The only reason I could think of (if you are town) is to get a read on him by his reaction but I really think you should reevaluate this approach because if he flips out this thread will become a nightmare regardless of his alignment. As long as you don't have a reason besides hostility stop it. If anyone wants my opinion on anything ask me. I didn't see important things that allow me a real read on a player yet tbh. @gumshoe Earn the right to get to D2, don't ask for it. Pretty condescending. I'm worried about Iamp. He seems to be attacking everyone nonsenically. Reminds me of scum Xatalos in Titanic II. He's just trying to throw shit on people and see what sticks. He makes it out that Iamp is attacking everyone when in actuality hes only called out yamato, when I press him on this he responds gumshoe, can you define crumbed? Critical levels of patronization achieved while dodging a question, I'd consider him scum if not for his reputation as a bit of a dick, sadly his back story makes it difficult for me at least whose never played with him to suss out his alignment. So instead I'll leave hunting Cora to people who know when hes bullshiting, or I'll go after him myself when I have something concrete. I am not trying to start a fight with him, I'm doing the opposite in fact by not committing to an honest conversation, because if we did the thread would burn going by his agitated tone. Also have you considered that I was trying to give scum something easy yet worthless to comment on in hopes of drawing them out? I find it kinda funny that of all the things that happened in the thread, the first thing you feel the need to point out is how the "towniest" (others peoples words, not mine) player was acting like a dick... Do you think I'm scum? If not, how does pointing out something everyone knows help find scum? Also Cora isnt shitting up the thread at all, is the mere threat of him getting mad even if hes town more important than everything else thats happened in this game so far?? Also am I actively aggravating Cora? No, I dont interefere with his discussions with other people and Im only really trolling him whenever he tries to engage me. Man our exchanges havent even gone beyond 6 posts... Its also noteworthy how you suddenly "realized" just how scummy cheese and Artanis looked after Rayn was kind enough to explain it to you... Yeah I'm not liking you much, question for ya, why hasnt Cora burned up the thread yet if hes such a powder keg? Is he afraid of drawing attention to himself or does he just not care? If the latter why do you? Oh and if it helps I havent actually read you girl blogs Cora ) : I also havent really meant any of the dumb shit I've said to you, the aggression itself has served me well though XD | ||
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Cheescake. This is pretty irrelevant right now but I went over a few of cheescakes games while I wasnt feeling well. Obviusly hes not scum going by good old dick move analysis and the certainly demoralizing impact of extractor trick mafia XD but if anyone wants something more concrete, cc seems to be a not very confident player as town, he almost never has a concrete read day 1 and he tends to goof around a bunch. As scum though he actually builds pretty good cases because he doesnt have to be worried about mislynching. So yeah, town. ##unvote Now for my other scum read! Justanother townie has been shitting up the thread with pointless arguments, nitpicking other peoples cases down to nothing, and has provided no cases of his own. Which is exactly how he plays as town XD he despises day 1 and usually starts forming his actual reads later in the game in order to meet his own standard of quality. So going by meta, probs town, although the style is a pretty easy one to recreate as scum. Wherebugso: Going soley by his huge fight with Just, literally the only way he can be scum is if both him and just are scum, otherwise bugs's outbreak was an exceptionally risky play that invited both town scrutiny and potential mod action (I am inclined to believe that mods would not step in if they were aware that both players were scum but that bilief is both wifom and unneccecairy so feel free to disregard it.) Cora: Bad player, but should not be lynched for it, too many people willing for this to happen. Yamato: Coming off a brutal loss, and having to play right off the bat is actually pretty tough, can empathize, besides his posts make sense and hes not lurking as hard as me so cant really fault him on that account XD WOS: Overall I just feel his play is kinda scummy, and while hes active I'm not sensing the typical conviction out of him, or even the good naturedness he exhumes in even dire circumstance as town. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xCXgmgu.jpg) [/url]Too be honest WOS actually looks more townie than several players in this game who are likely town, my read on him is a gut one ) : going by some games ive played with him. Mainly withcraft, where he established his innocence right off the bat and was the towniest force in the whole game, a role he seemed to enjoy immensely, and basterd mafia where he was neutral but once again came off as a guy having all the fun. He just seems to be a bit more scared/confused/serious this time around. ##Vote:WOS (Oh by the way,this is the part where you all switch your votes onto me, cmon guys I have a streak and a rep to maintain ) : | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote Cora Carry on then. | ||
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On January 09 2014 09:14 wherebugsgo wrote: That last bit by gumshoe and artanis, both were scummy as shit. The last thing I'd expect a townie to do is dump a massive post right before deadline that summarizes all his reads for no good reason and then royally waste his vote. Bold: I am no man. Oh well, onto more important matters. Cora gave had some interesting interactions with Thrawn Stop stop stop stop stop Rayn and Thrawn. Thrawn - lynching Rayn D1 is a bad idea. If Rayn is town, he is going to be a great asset to us going forward. He should be a policy lynch if he lasts longer than N2. Indication of how scum were planning to play things out? @Thrawn I think you two have had decent contributions to the scumhunt and frankly, I see your back-and-forth b/w you and Rayn to be town on town. I also would hate to lynch Rayn D1. It would just be bad play overall, barring a scum claim from him. Makes an attempt at improving Thrawns standing by associating him with a far townier player ( Rayn) I honestly can't remember what standard I held you to in BttB. I actually forgot that you were in BttB. Your town play consists of switching your reads every 5 minutes so I thought you were being serious about most of your reads. I just read the two pages and told you guys to stop without reading the post right about mine. Usually when Rayn gets in a spat with someone, it lasts for a really long time. In my opinion, lynching Rayn D1 is a bad idea for reasons I've stated already. I don't mean every single word literally T.T Comes under fire but seems reluctant to return aggression, something I'd always thought we could count on coming from Cora. Yeah, I made that post in a bit of haste. I really just said it because I knew that there were a lot better targets for a lynch than you. I just wanted to make up a reason for it because every time I say something, WoS and WBG try to manipulate it so I look scummy. I was pretty sick of it, so I just made a statement that couldn't be twisted. What I really should have said there was that there were a lot better targets than you. I haven't been ignoring any questions. I left before you posted that question and then I asked if there were any questions specifically to see if you wanted an answer to your specific question. Again, while responding to aggression he replies surprisingly reasonably. Heres an interesting moment. You just used meta to call thrawn town. Why are you contradicting yourself? EBWOP: Iamp, not thrawn. He mixes up Iamp with thrawn... Thrawn sure is on Coras mind alot. Cora seems to be pretty confident in Thrawn as a town read, for no real reason, as Thrawn himself has pointed out. Thrawn throws quite a bit of aggression Coras way for this and other matters but Cora rarely returns fire ) : Something hes been more than willing to do insofar. Why would Kora buddy up with a relatively uninfluential townie? Perhaps, expecting to get lynched, he intentionally planted seeds of doubt via these interactions? Meh, that play seems unlikely coming out of him ) :. To Thrawns credit, he was more than willing to lynch the goon, but is bussing Cora that bad a move ((insert period if cynical) as scum when theres already a bit of heat on the pyre? He was also more than willing to see Yamato die as well, and likely woulda gone that route as scum had the vote been willing. ##Eventual vote for: Thrawn | ||
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On January 07 2014 23:20 gumshoe wrote: Pretty condescending. He makes it out that Iamp is attacking everyone when in actuality hes only called out yamato, when I press him on this he responds Critical levels of patronization achieved while dodging a question, I'd consider him scum if not for his reputation as a bit of a dick, sadly his back story makes it difficult for me at least whose never played with him to suss out his alignment. So instead I'll leave hunting Cora to people who know when hes bullshiting, or I'll go after him myself when I have something concrete. I am not trying to start a fight with him, I'm doing the opposite in fact by not committing to an honest conversation, because if we did the thread would burn going by his agitated tone. Also have you considered that I was trying to give scum something easy yet worthless to comment on in hopes of drawing them out? I find it kinda funny that of all the things that happened in the thread, the first thing you feel the need to point out is how the "towniest" (others peoples words, not mine) player was acting like a dick... Do you think I'm scum? If not, how does pointing out something everyone knows help find scum? Also Cora isnt shitting up the thread at all, is the mere threat of him getting mad even if hes town more important than everything else thats happened in this game so far?? Also am I actively aggravating Cora? No, I dont interefere with his discussions with other people and Im only really trolling him whenever he tries to engage me. Man our exchanges havent even gone beyond 6 posts... Its also noteworthy how you suddenly "realized" just how scummy cheese and Artanis looked after Rayn was kind enough to explain it to you... Yeah I'm not liking you much, question for ya, why hasnt Cora burned up the thread yet if hes such a powder keg? Is he afraid of drawing attention to himself or does he just not care? If the latter why do you? Oh and if it helps I havent actually read you girl blogs Cora ) : I also havent really meant any of the dumb shit I've said to you, the aggression itself has served me well though XD This should answer any questions you have about my early stance on Cora, heres some supplementary material @Corazon. Your girl blogs suck Cora scummy cause I don't like his face. On January 07 2014 12:24 Corazon wrote: Gumshoe, what am I supposed to think about you when you beg to not be lynched D1 and then say you don't like me but not think I'm scum? exactly the same as I think of you, gl on the girl blog. Night night all, happy hunting. TLDR, I had a dark gut feeling based off nothing really early on, I've had the same feeling several times in varius games that I can point out to you if you like. The problem was that Cora has a rep as a bad player, so I deemed the feels unreliable in this circumstance. As for my asking not to be lynched in exchange for providing the heads of scum, its the start of night 2 man, all you did yesterday was call people stupid, fight for a policy lynch and eventually settle on taking out the guy whose always the least towny person in thread regardless of alignment. I honestly fail to see how you've done more than "shape up town" and pad your own filter. But thats fine, we lynch day one and it usually is what it is, we just so happened to get lucky that Cora rolled red. Nows the time when everyone really has to prove their worth. What do you think of Thrawn Bugs? | ||
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On January 09 2014 10:25 justanothertownie wrote: I wouldn't call this lynch policy. Cora just played pretty scummy. Ive been lead to believe that he always does. | ||
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On January 09 2014 10:28 thrawn2112 wrote: yay Thats a pretty half hearted yay Thrawn ) : the y isn't even capitalized. | ||
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On January 09 2014 10:41 wherebugsgo wrote: Before I leave though I want to state that preliminarily I had thrawn as pretty likely to be town given that he actually took the time to look at a past game at Corazon's play, and quoted it, AND it actually made sense in light of his argument, AND at the time I saw myself potentially agreeing with what he said about how it made Corazon look townier. It was one of those "oh shit maybe we're making a mistake" moments for me, and I could totally understand any townie at that point using any information at his disposal to quell any internal doubts. But what do you think of how Cora was unwilling to fight with him? | ||
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On January 09 2014 10:41 thrawn2112 wrote: what does "XD" mean in internet speak? it means silliness, I dont think anyone but me is dumb enough to use it | ||
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On January 09 2014 10:40 thrawn2112 wrote: Hey gumshoe. Do you want to talk about anything? sure buddy ( : My problems arent really with you ) : youve played a pretty unremarkeble game, niether has Fuba or Wos, or me for that matter, that doesnt make you scum. Its mostly how Cora was interacting with you that bugged me. Would you say it was weird for Cora to try and buddy you? I mean, no offence but you weren't the most spectacular townie ) : He also started doing so at a time when not too much heat was on him, so I find it hard to believe that he was trying to implicate you right off the bat. What do you think of his unwillingness to attack you when he was so eager to bash almost anyone and everyone else? | ||
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On January 09 2014 10:55 thrawn2112 wrote: I never thought Cora was buddying me, it seemed like he was trying to avoid a real conversation. If he was unwilling to attack me it is because I was questioning him and he didn't want that to happen. So you say i weren't the most spectacular townie cool i'm town? wait no you're accusing me atm? Bieng unspectacular doesnt make you scum is what i said, it improves your odds though, I never said you were town 0_0 dont twist my words. The thing that makes you scum for certain are your interactions with Cora. Cora is never afraid of an argument, your argument is invalid, besides he did have a conversation with you, and he conducted it very civily in stark contrast to his other engagments, thats the problem. | ||
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On January 09 2014 10:51 gumshoe wrote: sure buddy ( : My problems arent really with you ) : youve played a pretty unremarkeble game, niether has Fuba or Wos, or me for that matter, that doesnt make you scum. Its mostly how Cora was interacting with you that bugged me. Would you say it was weird for Cora to try and buddy you? I mean, no offence but you weren't the most spectacular townie ) : He also started doing so at a time when not too much heat was on him, so I find it hard to believe that he was trying to implicate you right off the bat. What do you think of his unwillingness to attack you when he was so eager to bash almost anyone and everyone else? Please dont misunderstand that first line, your bieng a mediocre townie doesnt make you not scum, its just not enough to lynch you over fuba or even kush. So do you think he wasnt trying to implicate you via asociation? Whats the source of the calmness in your interactions then? | ||
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On January 09 2014 10:55 thrawn2112 wrote: If he was unwilling to attack me it is because I was questioning him and he didn't want that to happen. Im not one to one liner...(aww who am I kidding) LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL | ||
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On January 09 2014 11:07 mkfuba07 wrote: Haha, you're funny. Which part of my filter indicates that I'm scum? None, because theres absolutely no filter to go on : P In all fairness, your no scummier than me ( : and besides I'm not talking to you right now, one lynch at a time friend, what do you think of Thrawn, and how do you feel about WBS still thinking yamato is scum after the Cora flip? | ||
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On January 09 2014 11:15 justanothertownie wrote: Bugs said yamato is not confirmed town by coras flip which is absolutely true. I didnt ask you. | ||
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On January 09 2014 11:17 thrawn2112 wrote: Here is what you said "Would you say it was weird for Cora to try and buddy you? I mean, no offence but you weren't the most spectacular townie" In the context of a scum play buddying a town player and being concerned with the skill, thread presence or sheepability of the town player, when you say I wasn't the most spectacular townie, your argument is implying I'm town. Why would Corazon try to buddy a scum mate who would have already been bussing him? I don't know what you're asking because I never thought he was buddying me nor do I see the consequence of that. Your argument is that I wasn't influential enough for Cor to want to buddy me, yet you think he buddied me, so I might be mafia? I will continue this after the next quote.. I don't think you are taking drama into account. Scum Corazon will be mad at townies and that can influence his scum play, he's a very emotional player. I like to think and hope that Corazon knows I don't care about any of the drama from banlist thread and all that, so that may be a reason why he was more civil with me than others. If you're concerned with the interaction between Corazon and Thrawn the only reason you can be concerned about that is because you want to know if Thrawn is scum. But right now I can't tell if that's what you want, because you have no questions for me besides this irrelevant argument and you don't seem to have read my filter and come to a conclusion about my alignme So what is your point? 1: Theres is no point buddying with an uninfluential TOWNIE, but there is a point to buddying with an uninfluential scum buddy (making them look good, which works so long as Cora doesnt get lynched, something niether of you were counting on considering you switched to yamato once things got serious against Cora) the point is, it makes no sense for him to buddy you if he was town, unless he was planning on dying in order to throw doubt on you. 2: Ok please dont make me account for banlist drama in my reads T_T 3: Oh I assure you, I KNOW that your scum XD 4: there is no real point to asking questions of you actually, because your scum and your not going to give me a)useful answers b) answers that result in your lynch. Also I have read your filter, and as I said, its unremarkable, but so is Fuba's, Kush's, and even Wos's, I can dive your filter but its not scummier than that of these guys, and yet a couple of you have to be town XD. Your filter makes you a candidate for lynch, your interactions with Cora make you scum. | ||
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In an ideal world, where every townie plays like a townie, the above can in fact be considered bullshit, unfortunately games like extractor trick mafia happen...where scum are townie than town... Basically just because a player is bad doesnt mean hes scum, scum ideally situate themselves somewhere in the middle of the pack, and I feel WOS has done just that. It was a gutread more than anything, similar to the Cora one XD it was also a day one read, and certainly not my finest. Well get back to him though, for now your my new ride : P | ||
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On January 09 2014 11:41 thrawn2112 wrote: 1. The only thing you want to talk to me, your top scumread about is the possibilty of me being scum, because you claim a scummate was fake-buddying me in order to trick the thread into thinking he was actually buddying me in a scummy attempt to give me town points? No, I'm not taking any of that seriously. 2. Yes you need to. The only thing you want to talk to me about is whether or not Corazon was buddying me. I give you a very good reason of why (although I disagree about him actually buddying me) he was being more civil with me than with others, and you choose to ignore it. 1: I dont really wanna talk to you, this goes no where, you wanted to talk to me : P 2: I didn't say he was fake buddying you, I think he was legit buddying you because he didnt wanna attack his scum partner. He was nicer to you than any other player in this game, although it was in a very understated yet noticeable way. This, plus your vote switch off him once things got series, plus you responses now, plus your crappy filter which I can go into if you insist, is why I think your scum. 3: No I fucking dont, keep that shiit out of here, this is such a dumb argument T_T also you cant have your cake and eat it to, either you dont think he was buddying you, or you think he was bieng nice to you cause banlist drama, the fact that you feel the need to defend yourself either way belies your need for security as a scum player. | ||
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On January 09 2014 11:48 thrawn2112 wrote: I have no idea what you're doing. You're not going to talk to me because I'm scum, you KNOW I'm scum, you're already voting for me, etc. But, "I can dive your filter but its not scummier than that of these guys, and yet a couple of you have to be town XD." So... after all that big talk about how sure you are of me being mafia, my filter is inconclusive? You say it's unremarkable without ever giving examples or explaining what you're talking about and that's why I think you're making this up. Why is it unremarkable? Do you know that I've talked with many people in the game? That I've been involved in many of the main discussions? That the thread was even focused on me for a small amount of time? Do you know that when people were wanting to policy lynch kush and Corazon, I spent a lot of time trying to steer all the policy lynchers onto Corazon? If you knew any of this, or found any of it alignment indicative you would have mentioned it. You aren't trying to figure out my alignment. and then, "your interactions with Cora make you scum" I don't know how that can actually be your main point against me. Your filter includes getting high and bieng retarded, jumping off and on Cora, and wanting to kill rayn 0_0. Not too to discuss when you can just excuse yourself for half the dumb shit you said, which is why I didn't really feel like talking about your filter in the first place, its dumb/irrelevant. Also your filter is scummy because its of no value and its been of harm, its just other peoples are scummy too. So why are you so special for me to focus on? Because the guy who flipped red, with a penchant for flipping out at people who accuse him refused to slander you... thats far from nothing, and more than enough for me to place you above a Fuba or Kush lynch. | ||
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On January 09 2014 11:55 thrawn2112 wrote: This is the main reason for your top scumread. This is the part of the game that you have put the most emphasis on. You claimed that this point "makes me scum" so yes, you actually do need to consider my response. This is something that should makes or break the read you claim to have. It is not a dumb argument, you asked why Cora wasn't being hostile towards me and it's because I've made efforts to get along with him while many people haven't lately. That's a good explanation! You can't just pretend it shouldn't effect your read because it's "dumb." Sigh, ban list regular and banlist 2.0 literally has NO mention of your name, it's something you have quite literally not at all been involved in. As of now your argument is that you not at all bieng involved in the banlist drama earns you special favour despite the fact that Cora has attacked several players (myself included) who also have had nothing to do with the banlist this game. Your argument is dumb / : | ||
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On January 09 2014 12:03 mkfuba07 wrote: What if Cora had said nothing at all in response to thrawn's accusations? Then we wouldn't be having this conversation right now would we? | ||
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On January 09 2014 12:02 thrawn2112 wrote: If you're town then reason you think my play has been so shitty is because I only played shitty for a few hours and you were afk most of the rest of the cycle. I think I was actually a net positive for town. I did end up voting incorrectly but I spent a lot of time steering people towards corazon and attacking other lynches that I don't think would have gone as well. You're resorting to ad hominem instead of providing examples of why you think my filter looks bad, when it honestly doesn't. Why do you say kush is scum? I was afk cause I was sick and didnt feel like making an excuse in chat then leaving for a day anyways. My absence itself was a null influence, you chose to blaze up before the game started, made stupid statements and bad accusations, and then got to take it all back... overall I consider your dark period to be the worse of the two. Also your really not the reason Cora got lynched, and if you were somehow so influential, why wasn't yamato lynched instead when you switched onto him XD. In my eyes, your switch the moment things got serius for the Cora lynch at the very least invalidates any good will you earned by attacking Cora. | ||
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On January 09 2014 12:09 thrawn2112 wrote: Corazon and I were in BttB, which was a shitfest where almost everyone was mad at everyone. Then the banlist crap happened when many people from and not from that game got into a fight with Corazon, which I avoided. He's cohosting a game I'm running soon. This is so dumb because even if you can somehow prove that Corazon had no reason to buddy a town-me it doesn't help you at all. This is the main point of your case and your point is so convoluted, wifomy, and stupid that I'm not taking any of it seriously. My point is this, the scum player under a little pressure felt extremely reluctant to attack his scum buddy... so he came off as friendly to him. The player in question is pretty terrible, and has been of almost no use, even now your just defending yourself, and not even bothering to find scum 0_0 why are you arguing with me? You havent changed my mind and I dont think you will, so unless you wanna build a case against me talk to some one else. Also what I am doing is not Wifom, I found an abnormal relation between you and scum and I am following up on that. What you are doing (refrencing the fucking banlist drama to explain why cora was nice to you as a scum player) is wifom XD | ||
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On January 09 2014 12:16 thrawn2112 wrote: calling someone scummy for wanting to get high more than they want to play mafia is ridiculous Please answer me about kush. Someone saying dumb shit that throws town off, then taking it all back... thats scummy. Also Kush, One liners... One liners everywhere, though I was scum without providing a reason, switched to cheescake last second before lynch, no real substance to his posts. Just an overall meh. Still, at least Cora had no problem hating on Kush. Are you really saying that I am going to be more useless than Kush, CC, fuba, gumshoe, Artanis, and Yamato? | ||
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On January 09 2014 12:21 WaveofShadow wrote: Awww I was just gonna go all WTF on gumshoe trying to lump me into the same boat as him and fuba. And it's funny because I still think fuba is town. Wos, I swear, I literally have nothing on you XD I just feel your scum, dont hate me T_T | ||
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On January 09 2014 12:26 thrawn2112 wrote: Gumshoe. Talk about why you want to kill kush. Now. I dont wanna kill Kush, I wanna kill you, stop trying to deflect. | ||
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On January 09 2014 12:30 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm pretty sure Cora displayed all of those traits throughout the game. Yeah, but thats not the reason Cora didn't vote for him XD | ||
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On January 09 2014 12:33 WaveofShadow wrote: Sorry can you give me the abridged version of whats' going on between you and thrawn right now? I've been reading it but I don't think I've been following. Cora, a generally hostile player, has at no point said a single bad thing or hurled the slightest accusation at Thrawn, even as Thrawn levelled accusations against him. When the lynch started to look real, Thrawn switched off of Cora in a panic. I called Thrawn out for this, and his general lack of contribution, he said I was seeing things and that Cora hadnt been reluctant to attack him, and yet despite believing this he deemed it neccacairy to provide an explanation on WHY Cora might be so nice to him... Thrawn claims that his support during the banlist crisis is what made Cora unwilling to persecute him as scum in a game of mafia... despite the fact that thrawn literally has not a single post or even a single mention in the banlist/banlist 2.0 thread | ||
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Go to sleep so I can slander your name in peace : P | ||
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On January 09 2014 12:56 thrawn2112 wrote: Gum do you have any scum games? Got mafia, got really paranoid and rage quitted early on ) : Ive played lurker games better than that one. My team still won somehow though, so woot? Also most of my town games double as scum games XD | ||
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On January 09 2014 12:53 thrawn2112 wrote: Buddying and not attacking aren't the same thing. He wasn't buddying me, he just wasn't being hostile.. But since you thought that's enough "weirdness" between us to somehow implicate me, I used the phrase "banlist" drama to refer to everything that happened recently involving Corazon which includes posts from BttB, BttB Disc Thread, and even some pms between myself/Cora. And who the fuck knows. It might not even be that. It could be for any other reason, but you've arbitrarily decided that the reason is because I'm scum, which is not more likely than the explanation I offered. The difference Is I'm referencing a tangible element in THIS game, your telling me you not helping Cora at all, but rather just watching as other people burn your "friend" is more likely cause for him have an inconsistency in his scum play? Rather than him being unwilling to start a fight with his scum buddy? | ||
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On January 09 2014 13:38 thrawn2112 wrote: This is really annoying and I'm only continuing this because I don't think you're scum anymore and would like you to be productive. First, your version (that corazon was unwilling to start a fight with a scumbuddy) is not the default explanation for what happened, so even if you don't buy what I'm saying you still are incorrect. i can see how it's a possible explanation but you need to figure out if it's the most likely explanation, or drop it and reevaluate your read. Corazon got very mad at me in BttB. Prety much everyone in that game started shitting on him right after it finished and later in the blist thread, which I refrained from participating in. I also pm'd him after the game was over. Right around that same time Corazon asked if he could cohost foundation mafia. Based on him asking that, I can reasonably assume that he found reason to get over whatever problems he had with me from BttB. To me that indicates that he is probably less likely to be hostile to me than to others, especially others that are in this game and were in BttB and part of the drama. Ive have been through bttb and the ban thread, I have found no sign of "warmth" between you two and your willingness to cohost together means nothing to me seeing as I've never cohosted, I want the pms, if you cant give me that then you need to drop this bullshit. I'm pissed enough as is that your using convoluted outside game explanations to fit a very clear inside game matter, if that argument is a lie I'll find it hard to believe anything you say for the rest of the game. | ||
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On January 09 2014 14:33 thrawn2112 wrote: lol Hey man, you started this not me XD show me the Pms that prove Cora and you were best friends ever, and ill... Probably drop it : P | ||
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On January 09 2014 14:33 thrawn2112 wrote: lol I mean, you tell me all about how you guys have bonded, so I go looking for that, when I don't find it, you tell me it's all in magical pm land... And don't provide said Pms.... Lol indeed. | ||
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On January 09 2014 14:54 thrawn2112 wrote: + Show Spoiler + (few weeks back) Corazon: Hey man hows life hey you wanna never accuse each other in future mafia games? (few weeks back - 1 day) Thrawn: yea sounds good esp if they are hosted by aquanim ^^ Proof that Corazon has reason to not attack me Anyway I've decided gumshoe isn't mafia because I finally think he's serious about this. Troll. | ||
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