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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
January 05 2014 18:10 GMT
#481
I am vanilla town, therefore no night action.

Ppl, srsly I live in California.

Raynepelikoneet have you read Hopeless1der's filter? Do you know that I openly admitted to the hypocrisy of what I was doing in my case?

However! It also was a "for lack of alternative" vote, through a townread/non-read on others at the time, so I am going to filter Yamato and Kush now. I still claim Alakaslam cannot read Coagulation.

First I'm going to reread others cases/suspicions.
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
January 05 2014 18:26 GMT
#483
On January 05 2014 20:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Alakaslam i want you to clarify a couple of things:

You made a case on Hopeless based on him proposing a random lynch and his voting behavior.

1) The random lynch is in fact a random lynch so how is that alignment indicative? Why does proposing a random lynch at the start of the game make Hopeless mafia?
2) Where exactly is Hopeless soft-defending gumshoe on D1, i can't see it?
3) If you are stanfding behind your accusation of Hopeless soft-defending gumshoe, how can you say you were not doing the same thing? In my opinion you (using your terms and logic) are "soft-defending" gumshoe just as much as Hopeless as your voting behavior and stance on random lynch matches exactly Hopeless' on D1.
4) Who is the other mafia in your opinion besides Hopeless?

Seeing this again I believe you will want a point by point defense.

1)The fact that the lynch is random means he can actually control it- I.E. Lie that he ran it through RNG because if it is truly random we wouldn't even expect to get the same result and if it isn't truly random he can game the math. HOWEVER THIS DOESNT FORCE HIM TO BE MAFIA. I think you jump to conclusions really fast Rayne, what makes him Mafia is the points I made in tandem, and a lack of other full reads at the time- I admit it was probably rash but I stand by my perception that he is scummy- even still.
2) he keeps being correct- saying that stuff you accused him of doesn't mean he is scum (which we now know was true). Being correct on alignments is not impossible as scum, on the contrary it is significantly easier. I wouldn't use it to cry scum by itself- if town, it's just proper town play. Which segways into my answer for
3) I actually agreed with him on both counts at the time- I wasn't sure gumshoe was scum, it took my epic failure read on you to make me decide I really should let better hunters make the decisions.

Finally, the answer to 4) I would like to find out now. Going to read others cases and probably Yamato and Kush contain the other scum. DISCLAIMER: this is me stating the opinions of others and trusting that for a bit. I will develop my own reads and post them in the evening since my relatives are visiting to- I mean, because I will be eating dinner

Blazinghand

May even post pictures for proof- so please don't hammer someone questionable till I get back? Make sure it is totes scum before you pull such shenannies.

... Eh what do I know. If my not all that reliable anyway scum hunting doesn't make it before lynch, do what you see as right. But there is no need to rush.
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
January 05 2014 18:32 GMT
#484
Ok the dumb thing fmpov: my scum read and a conftown I don't wholly trust but still put a lot of stock in are the ones pushin Yamato. So forget that I will form my own read on him.

Seems like a lot of people think Kush Yamato, I will now find out why.
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
January 05 2014 18:37 GMT
#485
On January 06 2014 02:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Yamato is at L-1. If he flips green then I want hopeless to die. Because fuck 2 mafia being inside kush/coag/slam--that's just cruel by BH.

Real quick I want to agree but point out not because setup speculation but because hopeless is already a scum read who is pushing Yamato. So if Yamato is green it is another peripheral to hopeless being scum.
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
January 05 2014 18:39 GMT
#486
On January 06 2014 02:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
If Yamato is red then Hopeless super town and we pretty much win the game.

This is a great reason to plynch Yamato, ASSUMING THAT IS TRUE- can you back your statement up Cheesecake?

However, I will read Yamato for myself now.
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
January 06 2014 01:59 GMT
#537
I could find no scum on Yamato. Caveat: we agree a lot, kind of hard to find scum on someone who currently agrees with you.

Note use of the word "Currently", ye skimming.

Current discussion, cheesecake dude hopeless mentioned that a vig happened not claimed it. That is UoN.

I will look into Kush.
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
January 06 2014 02:04 GMT
#538
K that was quick.

I'm not going in- depth because Kush is town, but tunneling. Hijole.

He also agrees with his target on his target's target ironically.

Looking at his filter tempts me to look at Coag but that will be impossible, I will be null or OMGUS. Just really tough for me to read Coag.
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
January 06 2014 02:05 GMT
#539
Literally took me 5 minutes.

Kush why do you do almost nothing but attack me?
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
January 06 2014 05:15 GMT
#545
On January 06 2014 13:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 05:20 yamato77 wrote:
So, let's start by addressing the accusations leveled at me on page 22 from Rayn and Hopeless. Most of the game seems content sheeping this reasoning, so I have to shoot it down so I can establish the townie base on which I can push my platform.

On January 05 2014 19:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well you are mafia because the only post where you give any sort of reads is a post where you doubt all the players in the game. Including the blue claims, which means there must be more blues or your post is completely useless. If there are no more blues than the climed ones it cannot be possible that the claims are mafia. You are not trying to resolve this situation by asking the real blues to claim (which would solve the game since we have a mislynch), therefore your only real post in this game is completely bullshity.

You, yamato, are one of the most obvious town players there is on the planet. You have opinions as town, at least when the game is on D2 and there are two flips which one of them is mafia, and night actions to analyze. The only thing you can come up with is a bullshit theory about scum shooting their own and all the blues in the game fakeclaiming with no counter claims.

This is like the most obvioius mafia catch in the game.


I doubted the blue claims because instantly believing claims in a semi-open setup is pretty silly. I had not yet thought about any of them seriously when I posted at the start of the day. The reads I posted then were, as I said before, formed mostly overnight during the silent phase, and done hastily mostly as my own notes.

As you can see later on, I did consider the claims and came to the conclusion that of the three, I trusted you the least because of how you have been playing today and the unconfirmed nature of your claim. However, I also very clearly came to the conclusion that it wasn't worth lynching you today, rather that I should focus on the unconfirmed players.

Of those four, Slam is the towniest. Other people disagree, but he is obviously trying this game and appears to be thinking things through in a clear manner. I have explained this at length, so it's not worth discussing further, we are not lynching him today.

Kush is the next towniest. I had no read before today, but he's put in real effort today and actually seems to be thinking about my alignment. I don't think scum kush fights my lynch at all, let alone as hard as he has today.He simply has no reason to.

Between Hopeless/Coag, Coag is actually townier, but not by much. Both of them could definitely be mafia, but I feel like lynching Hopeless more. I'll explain my Hopeless read at length later on.

On January 05 2014 21:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So this is what yamato is suggesting.

There are three blue claims. Me, Mr.SexyCake, and Sentinel can't all be mafia, so there are 2 scenarios he is considering:

1) Mr.CC and Sentinel are both fake-claiming and i am telling the truth. This can't possibly be true because that would mean there would be another blue claim and they would have shot their own scumbuddy. Town mislynched on D1 so instead of trying to mislynch on D2 they are giving town a mislynch by shooting their scumbuddy and instantly losing the game if someone claims blue on D2 (if someone claims we lynch one of Sent/CC or the blue claim - if the blue claim turns up blue, scum lose). This is ridiculosu to even consider.

2) I decided to fakeclaim parity cop 1h into the game instead of just not claiming. This makes no sense given that yamato knows how confident i am at my scumplay. Let's entertain a scenario that i did something very stupid (which i would never do) as mafia. The only reason i would do that as mafia is to assume there is no parity cop in the game - because one-one trade is ridiculous in a game where i can just mislynch 2 townies and win the game. There is no counter-claim. I have gained the town credit i was looking for. Good. What's my next move. I decide to buss my teammate thrawn by asking a vigilante to shoot him on N1. I already know there is no parity cop in the game because noone counter-claimed me, so the reasonable assumption is that there is a vigilante in the game. So i made a stupid and a risky claim that could end up in a 1-1 trade, when it worked, i make a stupid move that risks my scumbuddy being shot or lynched on D2 for town-credit i have already gained from my fake claim. In addition to all this stupidness thrawn, my scumbuddy, does not give me the town credit from my fake claim (which was the point of my scumteam in the first place) but instead attacks me and we go 1vs1 with him ensuring we pretty much tunnel each other on D2 - that will most likely end up in one of us getting lynched. So me, raynpelikoneet, did this as mafia, instead of... just lynching townies and playing scum as i normally do, by controlling the thread. Ridiculous.

Based purely on yamato even considering something this stupid he is mafia, 100%.


I've addressed the claim situation, you're taking this a bit far. You fakeclaim often as both alignments, I do not trust you at all in any situation involving claims.

On January 05 2014 22:38 Hopeless1der wrote:
This post is from TL LXIII where BH tried to use an RNG lynch as his mayoral campaign.
On November 16 2013 08:58 Blazinghand wrote:
Hey so before we go all pant-head here I will upgrade to sock-head and push for an RNG lynch

So here's what happens

1) you elect me mayor

2) I will lynch the guy via RNG as determined by this post (the one you're reading right now)'s post count modulo 31. Since so many people are posting at once on TL it's impossible for us to know what's going down. I've done this before. It works.

For RNG, this post will be used for generating a random lynch. The # in the upper left corner can be right-clicked and used to access the absolute TL post # for this post. That number mod 9 is the random lynch. 1 =Oats, 2 = rayn, etc, all the way up to 8 = holyflare and 0 = sloosh.

The reason we use the absolute TL post number is that posts are constantly being made, so the number is truly random. We turn it into a number 1-9 by taking that number mod 9. What is mod? effectively, it's the remainder after division. For example. 10 mod 9 = 1. 11 mod 9 = 2. 18 mod 9 = 0. 19 mod 9 = 1. and so on.

Basically, this generates a random number 1 through 9. I am in favor of the random lynch (though am somewhat interested in a policy lynch today as well-- TL does not do this enough. I will start off by voting for the random lynched based on THIS POST.


In this case,
1 = BC
2 = Mattchew
3 = Sharrant
4 = VE

and so on

all the way up to...
30 = BH
0 = Oatsmaster

(since a multiple of 31 modulo 31 is 0, not 31).




From that same game, here is yamato's reactions to NOT getting made mayor and being subsequently shot N1.
On November 18 2013 06:49 yamato77 wrote:
Okay, so I've caught up to the lynch since I stopped reading yesterday due to going to my friend's birthday and then subsequently passing out for 12+ hours. FIRST and FOREMOST, I want to say that neither super nor VE have analyzed just about anyone in the game at all up to this point and yet people trusted their reads and analysis skills over mine (LOLOLOLOLOL). I should have been elected pardoner, mafia will 100% shoot me tonight.

hiss gg post
On November 18 2013 10:02 yamato77 wrote:
I told you I was dead

idiots.


Also, yamato's general opinion of me, again from LXIII
On November 17 2013 02:32 yamato77 wrote:
On November 17 2013 02:31 Pandain wrote:
Yamato if you're mayor I think you should lynch hopeless or BH. I think Storr is good becasue he is playing pretty weird and he is playing the newb card so much when he really shouldn't and it's becoming really disconcerting especially since he also ran for mayor.

Why hopeless?

I mean, he's always useless.



This is thin. Many people have used my extremely good town games against me when I have a slow start. I don't always play the same and I don't always have the time to devote to being super town. I know the difference between when I've been playing well and look townie and a game like this where I am under fire most of the time. Look at D1 of Thug Life, for an example of a town game similar to this one.

As for my opinion of you, yes, you are often useless, HOWEVER, you are tunneling me blindly on ridiculously thin grounds based on ONE GAME of meta. You are not this bad of a town player. Plus, as was pointed out by Kush, you were fishy with your opinion of gumshoe D1 and have also sheeped Rayn hard today in calling me mafia, which is a sharp turn away from your early posts where you say I deserve time. It just doesn't add up unless you are mafia.

On January 05 2014 22:52 Hopeless1der wrote:
If you have time, or happen to remember LXIII, yamato is absolutely capable of providing a compelling and eloquent argument. He has multiple large posts that arent simply a summary they are brief analyses of players that demonstrate critical thought and scrutiny. In this game, his list posts are lacking in this regard.

I especially have a problem with the fact that he has a documented history of thinking I'm generally useless and has found sufficient reasoning in "my filter" to say I should be lynched with fire.



As rayn already noted, Yamato has been trying to cast doubt on the blueclaims
On January 05 2014 17:29 yamato77 wrote:
This is a bit silly. There's no conclusive evidence that any of their claims is 100% confirmed.

There are no counterclaims, that is evidence by itself. Unless yamato is counterclaiming (and he hasnt to my knowledge) then the simple answer is that all the night action claims are legit. Rayn's needs to be scrutinized at this point, but imo his claim also checks out. Ergo 3 confirmed town for the sake of limiting our scope of analysis unless there are counterclaims.

Of the three, I trust CC's the most. It's believable that scum wanted to let Rayn live because of how he played D1 (or that Rayn is possibly scum) and thus shot CC, who is a better player than Slam and the second towniest player behind him.

Where does yamato fall on this list of townliness? No one else thinks its strange that he doesn't consider himself a viable shot? Especially after the points I pulled from LXIII about him knowing he was about to die before he was shot?

If I believe CC's claim, I kinda have to believe Sent's claim as well, considering the setup. There is a possible scenario where they are the last two mafia and intentionally did this, but I haven't enough reason to doubt my read on CC to believe in it yet. Sent seemed mafia-ish D1, but it's not enough to take a leap of faith.

This is unnecessary fluff

Rayn's claim makes no sense as any alignment, so I'm basically ignoring the fact that he claimed altogether. There is NO WAY to confirm his claim yet and NO REASON to ignore him now because of it. He led the lynch D1, and has now basically just peaced out of any responsibility for how D2 goes. It's definitely possible that he was scumbuddies with thrawn and accused him D1.

rayn has covered this beautifully already here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20533299

That leaves Coag, you, and Hopeless as possible mafia, with AT LEAST ONE likely to be, POSSIBLY TWO, if Rayn is to be believed. The correct play would be to thus pick one of you three and lynch him, and I'm pretty sure I already said Hopeless is the scummiest.

By the way, the list was MOSTLY based off reads I made during the night phase. I have only just now begun to consider the implications of the claims seriously.

coag, kush, hopeless as possible mafia. convenient that slams missing. I guess he's being readable this game and the 3 of us aren't? You don't need to be scummy to be mafia in yamato's game, you just need to be lurk or troll and that is sufficient.

.


I had explained my read on Slam multiple times by now, so that is not a point against me. You other three are the only other players worth looking at today, and I've talked about that at length earlier in this post.

Does anyone else feel the need for me to respond to anything else? If not, I'll be working through exactly why Hopeless is mafia in a subsequent post.



Quick exercise for you guys. Click Yamato's "all filter" (this link) and ctrl+f "slam". Verify the red/bolded section of this post. Especially look for the points that might be an explanation, and especially that might fit the criteria MULTIPLE TIMES BY NOW. (at the time of this post there are 9 instances of "slam" in yamato's filter. 3 of which are quoted from other players, 1 of which is him quoting himself.

Quoting this because it is what is making me strongly consider voting Yamato.

As for what you say with regard to my wanting stuff to happen, Hopeless, yes I did want things to start. And RNG can come from town. I am saying coupled with general inactivity and stating some obvious things, the RNG lynch is manipulable enough to make you scummier in my eyes.

However, if Yamato actually never said why I am town and stuff, and doesn't want to elaborate on it but wants to look like he has?

Scum knowledge + me not playing my usual playstyle at all = Yamato call me town for no reason. Looks good in the event I would flip.

Problem: I haven't really been up for a real lynch yet. I have been voted but why should scum Yamato push me as townie?-

Wait

If I can be lylo low hanging fruit. Would be very a la LXIII.

But there is WIFOM. I would hope it can be believed he could just actually believe all this- hence I would actually be getting better.
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
January 06 2014 05:18 GMT
#546
On January 06 2014 14:14 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 12:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 06 2014 07:12 yamato77 wrote:
On January 06 2014 06:49 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
if you don't think he's lying then shut up about it could be a fakeclaim. It literally does nothing but make me want to lynch you.

You're all retarded. You're making this a big deal. It COULD be a fakeclaim, but AT THE MOMENT, I DON'T THINK IT IS. However, I AM NOT GOING TO CONSIDER HIM CONFIRMED TOWN just because of his cop claim. I'm done talking about it, all of you have literally zero reason to call me mafia for playing the game ignorant of stupid Rayn claims.

My claims arew never stupid and i am policy lynching you for this in addition to all scummy things.

Don't be a child. Read my posts seriously.

Even with my newly raised suspicions I have to point out my +1 to this. Not that the claim was stupid (I see no ill result) but to emo plynch is not grounds for anyone but you.
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
January 06 2014 05:22 GMT
#549
On January 06 2014 14:19 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 13:28 Hopeless1der wrote:
If you guys still want to lynch me, fuck it, I'll hammer myself .
On January 06 2014 02:43 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 06 2014 02:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Yamato is at L-1. If he flips green then I want hopeless to die. Because fuck 2 mafia being inside kush/coag/slam--that's just cruel by BH.

i'd agree to this, except we'd lose the game.

I meant to say "yeah Mr.Sexycake I'll gladly die to see yamato burn. You can even lynch me first!"

You didn't even address my case in full, nor do I particularly care that you picked one sentence in my post to criticize. Martyring by you now is a little dramatic.

Yamato did you ever actually say why I am town?
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
January 06 2014 05:32 GMT
#551
Oh yeah...

Very well! I again don't find any scum on Yamato.
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
January 06 2014 05:33 GMT
#552
Wait!

That is the point, if you are scum that is exactly what I was saying!

Is that the only reason? Meta?
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
January 06 2014 05:35 GMT
#553
Dat first quote

"Is playing better than anyone else in the game"

Do you remember what that spec-

...

-specifically referred to, if I may ask without looking like a narcissistic pomp?
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
January 06 2014 05:44 GMT
#556
It could be a ploy. If I haven't actually been playing well I could be lylobait- someone to be kept in the game and then hammered at lylo.

You understand I suspected as much in LXIII? And it sort of happened?

Heck I think I might have pulled it off in bttb, I cNt remember
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
January 06 2014 05:45 GMT
#557
On January 06 2014 14:43 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 14:35 Alakaslam wrote:
Dat first quote

"Is playing better than anyone else in the game"

Do you remember what that spec-

...

-specifically referred to, if I may ask without looking like a narcissistic pomp?

Your day 1 was:

1) Super active.

2) Had a clear push to it.

The only thing I can fault you for is that you never really explained why you wanted to lynch gumshoe very well.

Well, for those that were curious, here it is.

Yeah my vote stays.
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
January 06 2014 15:22 GMT
#569
On January 07 2014 00:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Can we all agree to lynch Coag? Like wtf why is he town so sad.

Possibly- why is he scum?
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
January 06 2014 15:26 GMT
#572
On January 07 2014 00:23 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 00:22 Alakaslam wrote:
On January 07 2014 00:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Can we all agree to lynch Coag? Like wtf why is he town so sad.

Possibly- why is he scum?


Done nothing all game, is coag. policy coag.

I am pretty sure of my hopeless read. If too many people think he is town I will submit to a Coag lynch but I just think he is too hard to read to form an opinion myself.
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
January 06 2014 15:33 GMT
#574
On January 07 2014 00:30 Hopeless1der wrote:
no slam, you submit to the yamato lynch.

I swear he is town through neo-OMGUS. However if town takes a vote on forcing my hand I will submit.
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
January 07 2014 05:38 GMT
#789
Yamato I gotta laugh when you have told Rayne this

On January 07 2014 11:24 yamato77 wrote:
I'm going to ignore you from now on.


Multiple times, it displays you aren't ignoring him. And you shouldn't, if town.

Still catching up this just made me lol
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