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Mr. Cheesecake
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yamato77
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On January 04 2014 07:15 Hopeless1der wrote: 20524821 mod10 is 1. I should have defined player 10 as 0 but that should be self-evident. 1) kushm4sta (filter) 2) alakaslam (filter) 3) Gumshoe (filter) 4) Hopeless1der (filter) 5) Raynpelikoneet (filter) 6) coagulation (filter) 7) [UoN]Sentinel (filter) 8) Yamato77 (filter) 9) thrawn2112 (filter) 10) Mr. Cheesecake (filter) Sorry kush, nothing personal. BlazingHand's rules and all ##Vote: kushm4sta (p.s. vote thread incase anyone misses it) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439579#2 On January 04 2014 09:38 Hopeless1der wrote: no, but you did just claim cop for questionable reasons. On January 04 2014 09:54 Hopeless1der wrote: im saying gumshoe not making sense could be because hes confused, not necessarily mafia. You're totes town On January 04 2014 10:17 Hopeless1der wrote: I'll be honest, I didnt read very closely the first time around. gumshoe is a good lynch. but, BETTER THAN RNG? I DUNNO. On January 04 2014 10:32 Hopeless1der wrote: WARNING WE ARE IN HAMMER RANGE --PROCEED WITH CARE-- This sequence of posts comprises the thought process of Hopeless during the day. Do you see a reason that his vote landed on gumshoe? He goes from defending gumshoe from Rayn by saying he's "confused" to voting him as thread sentiment is moving toward lynching him, with very little justification in between. Overall, his tone day 1 is trollish and basically uncaring, which is typical of a mafia player during this period due to how far ahead they are in information. He doesn't seem to be trying to figure anything out about the game in these posts, he's just making statements and finding his way onto the gumshoe wagon. Day 2, he begins with massclaim shenanigans, which is NOT indicative of him being town. It APPEARS pro-town, but it also gives mafia the information they want: how did thrawn die, and how did our shot fail? Due to the nature of the setup, THEY DON'T KNOW at this point what happened during the night. On January 05 2014 04:20 Hopeless1der wrote: Mafia failed their KP. So, options are medic save jailer save or roleblock veteran soaked a hit In addition we have a vig shot on mafia. We should have 2, maybe 3 confirmable town based on night actions I think. Here he runs through the possibilities, and EACH ONE is important for how mafia would play out the rest of the game. If it's a medic/JK save, they shoot the person who has just been asked to claim under the pretense of being "confirmed town" for a day. If it's a roleblock, it actually confirms someone (whoever carried out the NK) as mafia. If it's a vet, they can shoot whoever they please, but probably the vet. On January 05 2014 04:31 Hopeless1der wrote: They probably should but I'd rather they/we all decide its a good idea that will have a definite benefit, instead of giving scum a place to hide or cause confusion. Notice that he's not all that interested in the vig claiming here. He's far more concerned with the UNKNOWN information to mafia aside from figuring out which player is the vig that shot thrawn. As noted later on, Hopeless understood why Sentinel shot thrawn, so he may at this point have already figured out who the vig was. Soon after, the idea of lynching me is discussed, and Hopeless says this: On January 05 2014 05:29 Hopeless1der wrote: nah yamato promises solutions, he usually delivers. otherwise we lynch him Half a day later: On January 05 2014 18:49 Hopeless1der wrote: Yamato didnt consider that scum might shoot him...where is his town ego? I'm calling shenanigans. Dudes scum. What did I post in between? My thoughts on the claim issue, in detail. Also, notably, I voted for him after picking him out as the best lynch. And this is the best reasoning he can come up with to vote me (also done as other people are accusing me [I SEE A PATTERN!] )? I didn't think mafia would NK me, therefor I am mafia? What the fuck? It's pretty fucking clear that Hopeless is mafia. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On January 06 2014 06:49 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: if you don't think he's lying then shut up about it could be a fakeclaim. It literally does nothing but make me want to lynch you. You're all retarded. You're making this a big deal. It COULD be a fakeclaim, but AT THE MOMENT, I DON'T THINK IT IS. However, I AM NOT GOING TO CONSIDER HIM CONFIRMED TOWN just because of his cop claim. I'm done talking about it, all of you have literally zero reason to call me mafia for playing the game ignorant of stupid Rayn claims. | ||
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yamato77
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Mr. Cheesecake
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yamato77
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Mr. Cheesecake
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yamato77
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On January 06 2014 08:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Also Rayn is really bad for saying Coag is town. He hasn't done shit this game but give a sparse and shitty list. This is true. | ||
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Coagulation
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kushm4sta
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yamato77
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Coagulation
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kushm4sta
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kushm4sta
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hopeless' long case thing d2 is also not giving me town vibes. It's filled with lazy, scummy thoughts. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On January 05 2014 22:52 Hopeless1der wrote: + Show Spoiler + If you have time, or happen to remember LXIII, yamato is absolutely capable of providing a compelling and eloquent argument. He has multiple large posts that arent simply a summary they are brief analyses of players that demonstrate critical thought and scrutiny. In this game, his list posts are lacking in this regard. I especially have a problem with the fact that he has a documented history of thinking I'm generally useless and has found sufficient reasoning in "my filter" to say I should be lynched with fire. As rayn already noted, Yamato has been trying to cast doubt on the blueclaims On January 05 2014 17:29 yamato77 wrote: This is a bit silly. There's no conclusive evidence that any of their claims is 100% confirmed. There are no counterclaims, that is evidence by itself. Unless yamato is counterclaiming (and he hasnt to my knowledge) then the simple answer is that all the night action claims are legit. Rayn's needs to be scrutinized at this point, but imo his claim also checks out. Ergo 3 confirmed town for the sake of limiting our scope of analysis unless there are counterclaims. Of the three, I trust CC's the most. It's believable that scum wanted to let Rayn live because of how he played D1 (or that Rayn is possibly scum) and thus shot CC, who is a better player than Slam and the second towniest player behind him. Where does yamato fall on this list of townliness? No one else thinks its strange that he doesn't consider himself a viable shot? Especially after the points I pulled from LXIII about him knowing he was about to die before he was shot? If I believe CC's claim, I kinda have to believe Sent's claim as well, considering the setup. There is a possible scenario where they are the last two mafia and intentionally did this, but I haven't enough reason to doubt my read on CC to believe in it yet. Sent seemed mafia-ish D1, but it's not enough to take a leap of faith. This is unnecessary fluff Rayn's claim makes no sense as any alignment, so I'm basically ignoring the fact that he claimed altogether. There is NO WAY to confirm his claim yet and NO REASON to ignore him now because of it. He led the lynch D1, and has now basically just peaced out of any responsibility for how D2 goes. It's definitely possible that he was scumbuddies with thrawn and accused him D1. rayn has covered this beautifully already here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20533299 That leaves Coag, you, and Hopeless as possible mafia, with AT LEAST ONE likely to be, POSSIBLY TWO, if Rayn is to be believed. The correct play would be to thus pick one of you three and lynch him, and I'm pretty sure I already said Hopeless is the scummiest. By the way, the list was MOSTLY based off reads I made during the night phase. I have only just now begun to consider the implications of the claims seriously. coag, kush, hopeless as possible mafia. convenient that slams missing. I guess he's being readable this game and the 3 of us aren't? You don't need to be scummy to be mafia in yamato's game, you just need to be lurk or troll and that is sufficient. . | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
Note use of the word "Currently", ye skimming. Current discussion, cheesecake dude hopeless mentioned that a vig happened not claimed it. That is UoN. I will look into Kush. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
I'm not going in- depth because Kush is town, but tunneling. Hijole. He also agrees with his target on his target's target ironically. Looking at his filter tempts me to look at Coag but that will be impossible, I will be null or OMGUS. Just really tough for me to read Coag. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
Kush why do you do almost nothing but attack me? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On January 06 2014 07:12 yamato77 wrote: You're all retarded. You're making this a big deal. It COULD be a fakeclaim, but AT THE MOMENT, I DON'T THINK IT IS. However, I AM NOT GOING TO CONSIDER HIM CONFIRMED TOWN just because of his cop claim. I'm done talking about it, all of you have literally zero reason to call me mafia for playing the game ignorant of stupid Rayn claims. My claims arew never stupid and i am policy lynching you for this in addition to all scummy things. | ||
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