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On January 04 2014 08:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you do want to policy lynch me for claiming without thinking about my alignment? This wouldn't be a policy lynch, because that statement is so scummy- coupled with gumshoe asking the cop to counterclaim?!?!? I'm back to thinking you are scum together!
Ugh I don't trust my own reads
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On January 04 2014 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 08:53 gumshoe wrote:On January 04 2014 08:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you do want to policy lynch me for claiming without thinking about my alignment? I'll say this now, I dont think you were under enough pressure as scum to gamble on a hail marry claim(and its likely youd be lynched in case of a counterclaim anyways) but I feel youve made a mistake as town ) : If i do not lynch mafia on D1 then i have definitely made a mistake but in my opinion this gives me much higher chances of lynching scum. I don't have to worry about people worrying about me. As i said me being parity cop is same as me being vanilla. I get a first scum check at best on D3. In my opinion at that point of the game there should be 2 mafia dead already. If there is not i am doing something wrong. If i am alive on D3 i am doing something wrong. Therefore me being a parity cop has no upsides besides the fact that if i claim it people can actually trust me and trust my thoughts to have a townie agenda without thinking about the possible scum motivations behind them. Dude.
I mean yes I could see how the role is pretty useless then and probably not worth scum's time to fish out. But if you are scum? You just gave yourself the key to ultimate Svengali play, and a free day worth of survival if not more assuming you are believed!
It doesn't accomplish the trust you need man, it makes stuff worse.
But really, it would be super ballsy scum play. Counterclaiming would decrease chances of a mislynch to 50%!
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On January 04 2014 08:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 08:54 Alakaslam wrote:On January 04 2014 08:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you do want to policy lynch me for claiming without thinking about my alignment? This wouldn't be a policy lynch, because that statement is so scummy- coupled with gumshoe asking the cop to counterclaim?!?!? I'm back to thinking you are scum together! Ugh I don't trust my own reads But you just said this: Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 08:50 Alakaslam wrote:On January 04 2014 08:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay let's get this shit fully going on. Here's something to consider. I am going to die on N1 or N2 at last. If i do not i have somehow failed in this game and played under my standards.
I really do want to lynch mafia on D1, therefore i won't allow people i work well with to discredit me in case they are scum. I am a Parity Cop. My role is useless, for me, as i said before. What i want to is people (especially yamato and thrawn who i know to be strong and work well with if they are town) to work with me without a doubt in their mind about my alignment.
Now let's lynch mafia shall we? K look there are huge problems with this, I could actually totes lynch you with Yamato on this alone. If you are actually blue you just gave up that power's usefulness and if you are scum, the real cop can't counterclaim you without outing himself to you.Most will know this and therefore that it is essentially WIFOM, also I think YOU know better enough to know all that. Especially the bolded part. You do not explain why i am scum for claiming. You jsut say you want to lynch me for my claim. You never explain why my calim makes sense from a scum perspective. Either elaborate on why am i scum or drop it. Right now.
Again if you are scum this statement completely removes pressure from you, this is absolutely why it is WIFOM, unless cop decides to counterclaim- if you are town then I assume you are frustrated with my not being convinced by this claim -_-
It is so bad man.
Check dat voting thread
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On January 04 2014 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: One more post about discussing this without explaining why i am scum and i am policy lynching you Slam. yeah, this is why I'm lynching you. You are refusing to see what I'm saying. You are scum because you are 1: Blue Hunting 2: Fakeclaiming 3: bullying anyone who opposes you and using it as grounds to mislynch
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On January 04 2014 09:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: You have now made 4 posts about my claim where you say "he could be town or he could be scum". Which is it? If you don't know do something else. Being wishy-washy about it does not get you anywhere.
So which is it, town or scum? Scum.
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On January 04 2014 09:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so Slam is town but just very stupid. Nice discredit explain? How on earth I what you are doing any better than the biggest WIFOM bomb I have ever seen plus a ton of Svengali? Why on earth should town believe your claim even if the parity cop role is so useless? I will even answer that- because it wouldn't be worth the risk to make suh a fakeclaim as scum. But the problem with that is it is like combining a bus with blue hunting, and you can count on town arriving at that same conclusion anyway!
WIFOM is the greatest scum strategy IMO.
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On January 04 2014 10:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: a counterclaim nets us 1 mafia guarenteed, not a scummy play. Cant let a fakeclaim go un cc'd anyway.
sent there are reasons gum looks bad and thats not one of them. i domt see how rayn is mafia fakeclaiming cop without a cc, and i hv no reason to distrust in that. fuck parity cop, esp with potential gf
On January 04 2014 11:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: thrawn why would i claim parity cop as mafia instead of just.. you know, not claiming?
These, plus looking at setup as scum would see it (losing one scum today versus a mislynch makes the game a lot harder for them) make me think if there is a cop, should counter claim, and Rayne probably confirmed town versus otherwise.
Another reason I think so now is I was literally going through why I thought an early claim like that is so bad as either alignment that coming from Rayne it just reeks of scum, and he thought I was being wishy-washy and almost like he couldn't conceive how it was scummy- which I took as even scummier, but a look back, as town he would say the same stuff- you do something SPECIFICALLY to get people to work with you and first thing, this guy comes up and calls it WIFOM over and over and scummy, and you know in the setup scum don't do that etc. etc.
Unvoting.
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Real quick what is L-1 or 2? This is a term I do not recognize.
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On January 04 2014 12:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: This is a pointless convo imo.
Im actually liking gum/yam +1 maf Ok. Why Yam?
For now I'm voting Gumshoe until something comes up. Rayne saying he wanted to hear more from UoN and discussing with Thrawn has given me some pause but I'm not hammering so see vote thread.
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On January 05 2014 13:18 kushm4sta wrote:So here are the unknown right now: alakaslam: Well his early game is way more try hard than the towngame I just played with him recently. I would hope this means I am getting better somehow.Then his activity falls off, which is a pretty good scumtell in itself usually, especially when there is no excuse to explain it. this is loaded accusation. Blazinghand, I was eating dinner bro. I could ask where you were like ALL OF DAY 1...Overall his activity points fits with what I perceive his scumgame to look like. it is impossible to defend a meta argument. If you see it that way what am I supposed to do?Then there is this post: Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 09:10 Alakaslam wrote:On January 04 2014 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: One more post about discussing this without explaining why i am scum and i am policy lynching you Slam. yeah, this is why I'm lynching you. You are refusing to see what I'm saying. You are scum because you are 1: Blue Hunting 2: Fakeclaiming 3: bullying anyone who opposes you and using it as grounds to mislynch like wut...blue hunting?! Yes I thought he was trying to set up a counterclaim, hadn't thought the setup through- I don't usually do that @Alaka I want to know how rayne was blue hunting. Also I have no idea why you would jump to the conclusion that rayne was fakeclaiming, Go read that exchange again. I didn't jump to that conclusion I kept saying it was a bad move and thought his replies were scummy- an attitude I have since revoked anyway. since he gave a decent explanation for why he claimed and claiming as scum would be pretty suicidal. Yes... You have passed over my acknowledgement of those facts and his post on it. Scummers love to accuse townies of blue hunting. I feel like i see it all the time. conclusion: SCUM~~~~~~ hopelessHis position on gumshoe throughout d1 makes no sense. First he soft defends him. Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 09:54 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 04 2014 09:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 04 2014 09:38 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 04 2014 09:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am pretty sure gumshoe is mafia. Nothing he says is making sense atm. no, but you did just claim cop for questionable reasons. And that has to do with anything how? Are you discrediting me or are you calling me scum or are you agreeing with me? What exactly are you saying here? im saying gumshoe not making sense could be because hes confused, not necessarily mafia. You're totes town To this: Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 10:17 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 04 2014 10:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: If he does not think i am mafia i have no reason to lie about why i claimed in the first place, which i stated was not because of pressure. Either way he is bullshitting. I'll be honest, I didnt read very closely the first time around. gumshoe is a good lynch. but, BETTER THAN RNG? I DUNNO. Suddenly Gumshoe is a good lynch for no reason other than he didn't read before. I would expect a townie hopeless to have like a sentence explaining what aspect of the argument convinced him. Otherwise there has been a total lack of content from hopeless. This is the feedback I was looking for earlier. I know your opinion on RNG would have been biased though. He's done some mechanics posts and some troll posts, but his scumhunting is practically non existent. I remember his towngame as having a similar length filter but being more focused on logical scumhunting. Conclusion: SCUMcoagThere is no amount of effort shown this game, which leans scummy to me. It seems like in his town games, he makes an effort to show you he is town. He doesn't do that at all here. Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 10:53 Coagulation wrote: guis dont ignore me. say my name. He loves to do this too scummy to be scum shit as scum. Conclusion: SCUM Coag has the power of deep SVENGALI toward me (I cannot ever form a smidgen of some kind of read on him)~~~~~~~~ yamatotown. just town. His early suspicion on thrawn doesn't look like a bus. Plus process of elimination (I already have one too many scummers lol) ~~~~~ So one of my scumreads is town. I'm guessing it's either hopeless or coag, because both are pretty unreadable. Hello Kush. I reply to your points in bold above assuming I format right.
Now why is unreadability a good thing to you here? I usually am frowned upon for the same.
stay CHUPAZI my friends.
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My statement about hopeless in there is in the wrong spot. Should be at the end.
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On January 05 2014 17:59 kushm4sta wrote: like he's being clear but not about finding scum Well I have to actually find them first.
Thinking you are more right saying Coag is scummy than townie. But I can't begin to read him. I'm not going to push his lynch because I couldn't, I wouldn't be able to say why he were scummy other than "lurkish" (and now OMGUS).
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As for finding scum, I'm going to go ahead and be a hypocrite and say Hopeless RNG is bad. "Why would he do it as scum?", you say- "he is just as likely to land on a scum buddy with that RNG, useless risk given strong reason to mislynch vs bus in this setup rite?"
And so I thought as well, my friend, and had him pretty much conftown.
But consider this:
If it is truly Random Number Generation, we can follow all his steps and come up with a different lynch. So he just calls it RNG and lands it on a townie.
If it is not truly Random Number Generation, (assuming he is scum by the way), than he deserves my as he just does epic bawss maths and lines it up on his mislynch target appropriately.
If he is town the reason is obvious: policy in a setup. Perhaps not a very good one.
I am flipping my opinion from agreement with the idea to a scum read.
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On January 05 2014 18:16 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 18:07 yamato77 wrote:On January 05 2014 17:59 kushm4sta wrote: like he's being clear but not about finding scum Honestly, I came into the game expecting to not even understand him. It's enough for me that he's readable and that I can follow his thoughts. I'm not lynching him. I think readability is a choice he makes, and therefore it's a null tell. Not always.
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On January 05 2014 15:58 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 12:06 thrawn2112 wrote:On January 04 2014 12:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also you think there could be a mafia motivation behind me claiming, but you won't elaborate on why. All you have to say is "sayn has fakecalimed as scum before, therefore he could be fakeclaiming now". That's really fishy thrawn. Why are you refusing to give your reasoning? Here's the deal, I'm done talking about your claim for right now, so make what you will of it. Yes, I am straight up refusing to talk to you about this and you're just gonna have to deal with it. so this exchange makes rayn look pretty solid town imo [UoN]Sentinel is vig obv town Yamato is playing piss poor and im leaning scum on him. Hes using pretty shit logic like Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 05:33 yamato77 wrote: You would not lynch me before coag or kush in a game like this, don't be silly. alakaslam has been lurker hunting the entire game and thats a red flag. scum like to focus on lurker discussion a lot. gonna fos on slam. likely scum. Kush looks town to me so far. but that aint worth shit cause hes unreadable. Mr. Cheesecake is vet. gonna assume its legit. Hopeless1der sorta got a scum vibe but dunno. mostly null and of course these reads come with the ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/l9chR3K.png)
Lurker hunting because it was the start. It was something at least, did you prefer the derpy trolling? Because I love to do that frankly
Must see with the eyes of CHUPAZI
hast thou deep suspicion of stone toward hopeless or is it a fluid finger of distrust? Is Yamato the more concrete read?
Ok I admit Kush is kinda right.
But sometimes I seriously forget how to talk- I am seriously trying and I fail
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On January 05 2014 18:20 kushm4sta wrote: alaka why are you taking about rng on d2 LOL Because rethinking it is the basis for my developing scum read on hopeless? What else has he-
Well
I will go read his filter but I get the feeling it is short.
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On January 05 2014 18:25 kushm4sta wrote:coag is actually super town for realizing this. coag: Show nested quote +alakaslam has been lurker hunting the entire game and thats a red flag. scum like to focus on lurker discussion a lot. gonna fos on slam. likely scum.
this is dead on You go read hopeless1der's filter and tell me I'm scummier than him.
He is soft defending gumshoe the whole time until right close to hammer the first time, where he posts this
On January 04 2014 10:32 Hopeless1der wrote: WARNING WE ARE IN HAMMER RANGE --PROCEED WITH CARE--
Followed quickly by this (pages 12 and 13 btw)
On January 04 2014 10:42 Hopeless1der wrote: well thats 1 more to hammer. who wants the honor?
And he does nothing until after the flip, stating the obvious and some not obvious setup speculation.
AND I AM YOUR MAIN TARGET?!!??
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On January 05 2014 18:49 Hopeless1der wrote: Yamato didnt consider that scum might shoot him...where is his town ego? I'm calling shenanigans. Dudes scum. Good to see you.
A few posts up I have a case on you.
Care to defend?
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Btw anything more than meta Hopeless?
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Well, I have done as Yamato- see vote thread.
I'll be back tomorrow, and I will be here only a little longer. Was considering holding off on that but frankly I am pretty confident in this read for once in my life.
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