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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 04 2014 00:57 GMT
#221
So in your opinion misrepresenting my meta based on voice games or some i don't even know what games and intentionally misrepresenting my claim under the "you were under pressure therefore you had to claim if you are scum" category or at least implying so could be because he is "counfused"? Interesting interpretation.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 04 2014 00:58 GMT
#222
On January 04 2014 09:38 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2014 09:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am pretty sure gumshoe is mafia. Nothing he says is making sense atm.

no, but you did just claim cop for questionable reasons.

Also if you think i am totes town what's the point of the bolded part of this post?
You are commenting on my accusation against gumshoe, why do you need to bring my claim into it? It has nothing to do with my accusation.
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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 04 2014 01:02 GMT
#223
i thought that was a catalyst for gumshoe making less than desired amounts of sense. If you think he's misrepresented you from meta of voice or other games, thats a different thing to consider.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 04 2014 01:05 GMT
#224
The point i am trying to make is that gumshoe made these posts:
On January 04 2014 09:15 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2014 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 04 2014 08:53 gumshoe wrote:
On January 04 2014 08:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you do want to policy lynch me for claiming without thinking about my alignment?


I'll say this now, I dont think you were under enough pressure as scum to gamble on a hail marry claim(and its likely youd be lynched in case of a counterclaim anyways) but I feel youve made a mistake as town ) :

If i do not lynch mafia on D1 then i have definitely made a mistake but in my opinion this gives me much higher chances of lynching scum. I don't have to worry about people worrying about me. As i said me being parity cop is same as me being vanilla. I get a first scum check at best on D3. In my opinion at that point of the game there should be 2 mafia dead already. If there is not i am doing something wrong. If i am alive on D3 i am doing something wrong. Therefore me being a parity cop has no upsides besides the fact that if i claim it people can actually trust me and trust my thoughts to have a townie agenda without thinking about the possible scum motivations behind them.


If your plan was to reveal from so early on, why did you wait until you came under fire to reveal? You used your role like a mothership recall after a hatchery snipe XD that doesnt strike me as transparent or townie, also your plan doesnt allow much for error / : what if we lynch one scum and one townie( Which very well may have happened considering you were just trying to lynch me) then that parity cop comes pretty damm in handy. But whateves, like I said not much to do if theres no other claim, but I still find your play rather wasteful, and oddly enough equal parts cynical and optimistic.

On January 04 2014 09:22 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2014 09:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe do you think i feel pressured regardless of what anyone says about me 2h into the game as mafia?


You didn't announce your role until after people started questioning you, so obviously it was a response to pressure. Are you scum? No, thats not at all likely unless a counter claim comes so your right, no point talking bout it.

Im heading to a friends now, looking forward to peoples reactions when I come back, later all.

This makes absolutely no sense because he states here my mafia motivation for claiming would be because i was under pressure. That can't possibly be true in his opinion because the only one who at that point had accused me of anything was yamato. gumshoe himself agreed with me and turned against yamato for his pressure on me. There is no way gumshoe should be thinking i feel pressured about yamato's accusation because in the first place he himself thinks the accusation is bullshit.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
January 04 2014 01:06 GMT
#225
You know what I hate? Coming back from a family vacation and finding 112 posts waiting for me.

Anyways, all I found so far is that based on this:

On January 04 2014 08:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay let's get this shit fully going on. Here's something to consider. I am going to die on N1 or N2 at last. If i do not i have somehow failed in this game and played under my standards.

I really do want to lynch mafia on D1, therefore i won't allow people i work well with to discredit me in case they are scum. I am a Parity Cop. My role is useless, for me, as i said before. What i want to is people (especially yamato and thrawn who i know to be strong and work well with if they are town) to work with me without a doubt in their mind about my alignment.

Now let's lynch mafia shall we?

On January 04 2014 08:50 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2014 08:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay let's get this shit fully going on. Here's something to consider. I am going to die on N1 or N2 at last. If i do not i have somehow failed in this game and played under my standards.

I really do want to lynch mafia on D1, therefore i won't allow people i work well with to discredit me in case they are scum. I am a Parity Cop. My role is useless, for me, as i said before. What i want to is people (especially yamato and thrawn who i know to be strong and work well with if they are town) to work with me without a doubt in their mind about my alignment.

Now let's lynch mafia shall we?

K look there are huge problems with this, I could actually totes lynch you with Yamato on this alone.

If you are actually blue you just gave up that power's usefulness and if you are scum, the real cop can't counterclaim you without outing himself to you.

Most will know this and therefore that it is essentially WIFOM, also I think YOU know better enough to know all that.


On January 04 2014 08:50 gumshoe wrote:
Anyone counter claim? I think the worth of a parity cop in this setup is dubios at best so outing one of 3 cylons right away cylon is def worth a reveal.

Rayn, I think your choice to reveal based off your opinion of your own play was dumb / : theres probs a doc and yet you've cheated us of any info we might get from your role (provided theres an rb) but if theres no counterclaim theres nothing to be done. Even though its possible for their to be no parity cop at all : P

gives me red vibes for both rayn AND gumshoe.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 04 2014 01:08 GMT
#226
If he does not think i am mafia i have no reason to lie about why i claimed in the first place, which i stated was not because of pressure. Either way he is bullshitting.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 04 2014 01:09 GMT
#227
##Vote: gumshoe
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 04 2014 01:11 GMT
#228
Let's hammer.
This is gonna be the best lynch 2013.
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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 04 2014 01:17 GMT
#229
On January 04 2014 10:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If he does not think i am mafia i have no reason to lie about why i claimed in the first place, which i stated was not because of pressure. Either way he is bullshitting.

I'll be honest, I didnt read very closely the first time around. gumshoe is a good lynch. but, BETTER THAN RNG? I DUNNO.
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
January 04 2014 01:18 GMT
#230
Hammer time?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 04 2014 01:18 GMT
#231
Hammer time.
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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 04 2014 01:20 GMT
#232
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 04 2014 01:21 GMT
#233
TLDR;
On January 04 2014 09:22 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2014 09:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe do you think i feel pressured regardless of what anyone says about me 2h into the game as mafia?


You didn't announce your role until after people started questioning you, so obviously it was a response to pressure. Are you scum? No, thats not at all likely unless a counter claim comes so your right, no point talking bout it.

Im heading to a friends now, looking forward to peoples reactions when I come back, later all.


In case gumshoe thinks i am mafia:
This makes absolutely no sense because he states here my mafia motivation for claiming would be because i was under pressure. That can't possibly be true in his opinion because the only one who at that point had accused me of anything was yamato. gumshoe himself agreed with me and turned against yamato for his pressure on me. There is no way gumshoe should be thinking i feel pressured about yamato's accusation because in the first place he himself thinks the accusation is bullshit.
In case gumshoe thinks i am town:
If he does not think i am mafia i have no reason to lie about why i claimed in the first place, which i stated was not because of pressure.

In either scenario gumshoe's reasoning makes no sense at all and therefore he is lying.
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Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 04 2014 01:23 GMT
#234
Lol dat reveal. Slam and rayn are town. Idk about gumshoe still have to read what went on with him and rayn.

sent maf dat quoting the cop claim and nothing else, discrediting both rayn and gumshoe in the process.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
January 04 2014 01:29 GMT
#235
On January 04 2014 10:23 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Lol dat reveal. Slam and rayn are town. Idk about gumshoe still have to read what went on with him and rayn.

sent maf dat quoting the cop claim and nothing else, discrediting both rayn and gumshoe in the process.


I just got here and it's the only thing I'm capable of understanding.

I'll happily lynch either one.

##Vote: gumshoe
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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 04 2014 01:32 GMT
#236
WARNING WE ARE IN HAMMER RANGE
--PROCEED WITH CARE--
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
January 04 2014 01:34 GMT
#237
On January 04 2014 10:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
HOORAY WE ARE IN HAMMER RANGE
--CARRY ON--

FTFY
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 04 2014 01:35 GMT
#238
hi all
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 04 2014 01:37 GMT
#239
gumshoe, I'm having trouble reading this because I can't tell if it's supposed to be sarcastic so please get back to me

On January 04 2014 09:22 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2014 09:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe do you think i feel pressured regardless of what anyone says about me 2h into the game as mafia?


You didn't announce your role until after people started questioning you, so obviously it was a response to pressure. Are you scum? No, thats not at all likely unless a counter claim comes so your right, no point talking bout it.

Im heading to a friends now, looking forward to peoples reactions when I come back, later all.


I'm voting gum because of posts like this

On January 04 2014 07:22 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2014 07:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe if you were mafia what would you be talking with your scumbuddies in the scum QT atm?


Alakaslam is the focus of this game right now, hes made the only real proposition, if hes town then scum is discussing if hes serious about the whole lurker thing or if hes baiting scum. Theyre wondering how long until they can back him or if they should jump on him for making "asinine" discussion. If hes scum they're wondering how town will react to his conversation starter and planning for each possible response. They may also be planning a bus.

where it seems like gumshoe's using way too many words to talk about very early game events that don't deserve half the talk gum devotes to them. I think that any answer to rayn's question that isn't something along the lines of "idk dude" is a scum answer, especially as the size of the response increases.

and like this..

On January 04 2014 08:19 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2014 08:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 04 2014 08:00 gumshoe wrote:
On January 04 2014 07:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Vote: gumshoe


And why do you think im scum? Your not a very impulsive player so I assume you have some thing to back up your convictions.

I also want to know where do you base this statement of yours on?


Voice and games ive read of you, when your town your a bit slower to action and more patient with the game because you recognize that fast lynches can easily go in favour of scum. The only times I've seen you play rashly is when your scum and attempting to secure a fast hammer (voice) or using your rep to disregard everything townie players say (witchcraft). The reason I'm not sure if your scum this game is because I have known you to make fake cases/claims to find actual scum, your eagerness to start a train might be you looking for fast jumpers.

it's the same issue as before, his posts seem too far thought out especially at this early stage in the game. There's too much information and most of the information doesn't really say anything.

I have some other stuff to say about Gumshoe and about rayn's claim but for now I'm gonna wait till the thread has developed a bit.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 04 2014 01:37 GMT
#240
hi thrawn, i think you are town.
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