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Hey VE, will you be around in an hour or so for less-frowny-face chat? I know there's all of D2 and whatnot, but seems like sooner is better than later and I promise 60% more fun than other posters or your...time back
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Do you understand? I want to quit the game because of how you are treating me right now.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
No need to taunt him gonzaw, even if think you're right.
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Okay, sorry if it bothers you (as either alignment).
I guess I have to read Foo's wall of text now.....at some time......maybe
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I try not to be an asshole normally, but you are walking right into that shit VE
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On January 24 2014 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Probably austin. kk, I know there's a bunch more time, so no biggie. Also, I think I can up the percentage to way higher than 60
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On January 24 2014 05:18 gonzaw wrote:
I try not to be an asshole normally, but you are walking right into that shit VE
I'm not walking into anything, I'm literally trying to have a conversation. You're being an asshole for no reason. I'm saying please stop. Now please stop.
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On January 24 2014 05:19 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2014 05:18 gonzaw wrote:
I try not to be an asshole normally, but you are walking right into that shit VE I'm not walking into anything, I'm literally trying to have a conversation. You're being an asshole for no reason. I'm saying please stop. Now please stop.
You are suggesting that the three leading votes candidates, all of whom strongly pushed each other are all scum together. And you are getting mad when people suggest that that assumption is anyone but silly.
VE look, you aren't dumb, you aren't bad and you usually don't get caught up in conspiracy theories. What is it about this game. This time. That leads you to going for the most complex solution to the problem?
Why is Kita off the table when a few minutes ago you said kita's use of the town pairs thing made him scum. Why are fool and I scum together? Why is either of us scum individually? I just don't understand what your thought process is at all this game dude. And generally I'm there with you but here I'm not at all.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
Kita is not off the table, but I don't think he's our lynch tomorrow.
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On January 24 2014 05:30 Foolishness wrote:
Kita is not off the table, but I don't think he's our lynch tomorrow.
Sorry I dot mean over all. I meant for VE. He was talking about Kita but has replaced him with you and me on his list of most likely scum so why is Kita off the table for VE.
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Gonzaw you say Prom went after Foolish but here he calls Foolish townie
On January 23 2014 00:52 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 07:19 Foolishness wrote:Here's what I think is going on this game. There are quite a few questionable people in this game, but by eliminating some obvious town players things start to make more sense. Towniest of townsHapa VE Kitaman Hapa is by far the most town person in this game? Why, put simply if you read his filter he is here, he is active and he is pushing pro-town agendas. This is seen because he is generating conversation, trying to organize the town and get everyone on the same page, and questioning suspicious players where appropriate. This is not a matter of debate if you have read the thread. Kitaman is similar in matter and this has already been brought to light by a few players. Actually when I started reading the game yesterday his posting reminded me a lot of myself. Slight trolly attitude to try to get things moving, but when push came to shove he was there to call people out on their shit. Now, if you want to read into that and say, "But Foolishness, Kitaman is usually a strong analyzer, posting paragraphs of information and analysis about a person's behavior and actions" I got nothing to say back about that yet. Though I'm sure time will confirm what I think here. The thing with VE is that yes, on his own some of his posts are suspicious. This one in particular made me raise an eyebrow: + Show Spoiler +On January 22 2014 01:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Morning guys. Marv no, I don't think it's the same kind of Prome that I'm used to seeing. What it reminds me of is that game I was the mayor and lynched the piss out of Prome D1. He was a lurky little shit that game, but I caught him on something very similar to what I noticed this game. Like I think it's awful that I have to ask this, but did you read my post on him?
That being said, I at least dig one of his targets. I asked Foolish about his thoughts on this same matter and what I got is "lol you and Hapa townies" which is definitely NOT what I was after. He answered my question as if he'd read the exchange between us, but left me with a feeling that he hadn't actually read anything at all.
If I see one more person say they're going to ignore my posts, I won't be responsible for the outcome. You have been warned. where the first two paragraphs seem really out of place and forced, though the last two sentences of the post read very town. However I think if you just read through his filter and analyze it as a whole there's nothing to be afraid of. Is he pushing any sort of mafia agenda? No. Does it feel like he doesn't have the town's best interest in mind? No. Does it feel like he's actually trying to figure things out? Yes. Now I can see why some people have shed some suspicion on him (unlike anyone calling Hapa or Kita mafia), but he just does not feel mafia, and he's definitely interested in the game. Questionable playersAustin sandroba marvellosity Holyflare Gonzaw This is roughly in order of most to least town. Austin and sandroba might as well be afk until 3 pages ago, but since coming to the thread both have had strong appearances. I'm okay with them right now because they have brought things to the thread, and it is also obvious that if they continue their activity then they are town. If they keep going afk for long periods of time then start to worry. But I don't feel like that will happen. The following 3 people are all in the ? category. Marvellosity and Holyflare in particular because for all that they have said I don't feel they have really contributed much. Even as I'm writing this I'm thinking back, "what has marvellosity or holyflare done this game", and I cannot remember a single post they have made. That's a bad sign. Anything mafia indicative off the bat? No so much, but then seem to be here without actually being here. Gonzaw is only questionable and not mafia because of his recent vote on me. As kitaman properly pointed out, gonzaw brought up a lot of new information about the case on me. That's good and productive. But as he also pointed out, gonzaw just kinda did nothing with it. "Oh here you go I did some research, now don't mind me anymore let me go be trolly and lurk some more" is that kinda vibe I got from that. mafiaPromethelax WaveOfShadow I will go into a little more detail here. On January 21 2014 10:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Welp, gonna go with my usual opener.
I think the only difference here is for the first time I'm actually relieved to roll town. I'd be pretty terrified to go up against this town as scum.
One of these days I will have another scumgame; it seems that day is not today.
Holy! Where you at? I've never played a non-voice game with you before. Let's do something.
What about this post is good? He says generic things that anybody can say. Also the "Let's do something" seems incredibly forced. What does he hope to accomplish by saying that? I don't know (most likely he's mafia) and it feels like he's trying very hard to sound like he's vested in the game (when all he would have to do is just post whatever his thoughts are). And then there's this post as well. On January 21 2014 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 21 2014 11:35 Promethelax wrote:
Okay broskis, this is just silly. We know how to start a game and it isn't this Mafia Scum inspired baseless lynches shall we discuss policy? Why yes we shall because you all will actually have to commit to something.
Since we aren't the run of the mill hokey dory TL types I think its time we set a few ground rules: there should be no discussion of policy lynching lurkers. We simply lynch them. If everyone is good enough to be shadowed everyone is good enough to play the game and we cannot tolerate lurkers.
It is my hope that this particular policy doesn't come into play since, obviously, we are the best that TL has so we should play the best as well and lurking simply isn't the best. We are all good enough to carry a town and I would like us all to be that good this game. Play your hearts out gentlemen.
I would also like a non-aggression pact. That is we all agree to play nice since I'd rather like to be good role models for our newbies.
And yes, I know I'm scummy for posting this, does someone want to come out and say it so that I can defend myself and we can move on with this game and make actual cases on each other and find scum.
Unlike WoS I was excited to roll scum in this game, I figured I'd have an excuse to be steamrolled but if I did a good job it would be a huge accomplishment but no, I'm town, I have to figure things out. I would much rather lie to you all but fuck me, I don't get to lie to you. I gotta work for my money.
So get it together boys, we are policy lynching lurkers, we aren't going to be mean to each other and we are going to catch scum. And we'll start with Hapa making a case on me, why? Because its tradition is why. I don't think lurkers will be an issue in this game. I'm really confused by your opener though...you want to discuss policy and then you state right after that you don't want to discuss it? Like...discussion of policy on its own isn't scummy imo but why did you go about it so awkwardly? I do agree with the non-aggression thing, but no offense---I'd imagine you'd have to be one of the primary people to agree with that (and it seems as though you have?) Now onto more important details: why specifically Hapa? Do you two have a history? Is he going to want to make a case on you at all, never mind find something specific in this post of yours in order to make one? Which fails to do nothing but ask more questions of which he never followed through on (neither of them really followed through on to be honest), when he could do have done something like actively push Promethelax to say something of substance. The thing about Promethelax is that his first post is a big pile of words and nobody said anything about it besides WoS which was just a passing remark. Here's the post again: + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2014 11:35 Promethelax wrote:
Okay broskis, this is just silly. We know how to start a game and it isn't this Mafia Scum inspired baseless lynches shall we discuss policy? Why yes we shall because you all will actually have to commit to something.
Since we aren't the run of the mill hokey dory TL types I think its time we set a few ground rules: there should be no discussion of policy lynching lurkers. We simply lynch them. If everyone is good enough to be shadowed everyone is good enough to play the game and we cannot tolerate lurkers.
It is my hope that this particular policy doesn't come into play since, obviously, we are the best that TL has so we should play the best as well and lurking simply isn't the best. We are all good enough to carry a town and I would like us all to be that good this game. Play your hearts out gentlemen.
I would also like a non-aggression pact. That is we all agree to play nice since I'd rather like to be good role models for our newbies.
And yes, I know I'm scummy for posting this, does someone want to come out and say it so that I can defend myself and we can move on with this game and make actual cases on each other and find scum.
Unlike WoS I was excited to roll scum in this game, I figured I'd have an excuse to be steamrolled but if I did a good job it would be a huge accomplishment but no, I'm town, I have to figure things out. I would much rather lie to you all but fuck me, I don't get to lie to you. I gotta work for my money.
So get it together boys, we are policy lynching lurkers, we aren't going to be mean to each other and we are going to catch scum. And we'll start with Hapa making a case on me, why? Because its tradition is why. Promethelax even admits that his post is awful and that we should call him out on it. Sounds great to me! This kinda bait is definitely a mafia trait and if he thinks he's posting bad then we should definitely lynch him for it. The reason being, if he knows his post his bad why is he making it in the first place? His initial post accomplishes nothing and says nothing and only adds fluff to the thread. I am also bothered by his most recent thread post: On January 21 2014 22:42 Promethelax wrote:On January 21 2014 19:25 marvellosity wrote:On January 21 2014 13:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's just one of those things that may or may not end up adding up to something. Prome's thing is worse to me because he literally made up reasoning to respond to me. It doesn't make any sense to me at all. Fluffy? What does that even mean? You don't think Prome is being typical arch-bullshitter as per usual? Sometimes it worries me that you and I know each other so well when it comes to this game. Sometimes it makes me warm and fuzzy. People I don't like: Foolishness (total lack of justification and his total dismissal of VE/Hapa as townie v townie, both of them are totally capable of what they have done so far as scum and to just not be interested in them at all is scummy) Kita (said "I don't call people scummy early because it makes people listen to me less later" which isn't true and so totally wired that it rings scummy since I cannot figure out what it gives a town Kita while it does provide some benefit to a scum Kita.) People who are Gonzaw but haven't posted Gonzaw like posts after fluff o'clock : Gonzaw Because all his reads feel very convenient. There is nothing in his filter that gives us new information or his original thoughts. I'm leaving my vote where it is for now, honestly Promethelax is the best lynch right now because the case on him is the strongest, but I need to hear opinions on WaveOfShadow while we have the time.
Who we are lynching today: Promethelax, WaveOfShadow. If they died probably not a huge loss: marvellosity, HolyFlare, Gonzaw Everyone else deserves to live another day at the least. There isn't much to address in this case. Which is why I got all snarky and called it a 'case' in my earlier post. Fool doesn't like that my early game play was early gmae-ish and, since I have addressed my reasoning for that play and I still believe it was both good and the right play I can't say much about it here. Yes my first post was bad. It always is. Which is why I'm aware of it. Foolish has played at least one and maybe more games with me and should know that a bad first post is as much my meta as calling VE a butt licker is (I"m sorry WoS! I know I said I'd be nice but I had to slip one in). I do find Foolish townier from this post since his reads are generally good but his lack of sight when it comes to Gonzaw is worrying. He places Kita and VE waaaaaay too high and Gonzaw much too low in a way that has me worried since, as Supersoft once said to me, when you are in a game with a bunch of good players you can tell the scum because he is the one whose reads don't line up with everyone else'. I also don't see the reason to attack WoS and just as Fool thinks my targets were easy so were his. He went for the lynch d'jour (me) and the one guy he had called scum earlier (WoS). It seems almost too easy a big post and his lack of other contribution means that while he has taken himself off the table as a good lynch he has not in any way convinced me of his townieness.
On January 23 2014 07:22 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 06:03 Foolishness wrote:On January 23 2014 05:53 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 23 2014 05:51 Foolishness wrote:On January 23 2014 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 22 2014 07:50 marvellosity wrote:On January 22 2014 07:45 Hapahauli wrote:On January 22 2014 07:37 marvellosity wrote:
ok he can stay for now
##unvote Would this suggest that you agree with Fool's reads, or do you just think his post is a town-tell? Do you think he's capable of faking those kinds of posts as scum? I think his post looks reasonable townie and there's a lot of effort. I'm not sure how much i agree with his reads atm kita lower, prome higher, marv much much higher, WoS ??, gonzaw higher But his reasoning feels townie - putting me where I am because I'm forgettable, while ego crushing I like it as an angle to take, it's non-routine i think he's capable of these posts as mafia, especially after the champions game, and the way he made a list at the end was actually eerily similar to how he made lists at the end of those posts :p but overall the meat of it made sense. and he's trying Yeah...I'm in agreement with a lot of marv stuff from his filter, and the timing at which he posted stuff. One thing that stuck out is the above. I'm wondering why marv gave me a ??? at that point considering it seems likely he thought I was town before that from his attitude towards me. Meh..maybe not. And then this comes after my return On January 23 2014 02:49 marvellosity wrote:On January 23 2014 02:43 kitaman27 wrote:On January 22 2014 22:53 marvellosity wrote:On January 22 2014 22:49 kitaman27 wrote:
I'd much rather hear who marv is considering voting, rather than defending a player he thinks is town.
Wave looks better, for obvious reasons Could you expand on this, even if it's brief? I didn't pick up on the obvious reason. Mine read was more based on the lack of anything wrong, rather than an abundance of anything he has done that is helpful. Also, could you justify your Holyflare vote for me with specifics? You mention that you thought gonzaw's points were good. Is that what you're going by or is the vote mostly due to his absence from the thread? I currently don't have a strong preference between sandroba and Holyflare and it seems like sandroba hasn't been inspired to rejoin the thread. I'll vote with you for the time being. ##Unvote
##Vote Holyflare Wave is waffling earnestly at length as I'd expect him to. Although he's only got one scumgame, I'd very much expect him to be more direct than he has been if mafia. I've been suspicious of him in two reasonably recent games for being slow and waffly (##, LXIV) and now it just seems it's how he opens day 1 as town. So maybe not obvious after all. I just think his thought process is transparent. Like he's posted a lot of his thought process, where's his agenda? Mainly with Holy that he seems angrier than was justified. But most of all it's the constant niggling at Hapa, especially with his last post(s) when Hapa was by a large margin the towniest guy in the thread. It's just not natural at all. Tbh I don't make a massive amount of his absence, I believe he'd be here posting as either alignment, so not that alignment indicative. I guess I expect marv to know...I dunno...more about me? Maybe why I was shocked he found me scummy in those games because I don't believe i've shifted my meta all that much in between games, and town-marv always seems to find me town eventually for all the right reasons. Yeah....would not lynch, but marv you left me high and dry---our palaver did not quench my thirst for you this game. (And it's basically become tradition at this point) I'm not upset with any of Marv's individual posts, but his overall play so far. There's a lot of 'overall play' I'm disappointed with atm, Prome included to some degree. Does it make those people scum? No, but Marvellosity is known for getting things done on day 1. I keep wanting to think you are town but you come up with bullshit like this that isn't even remotely true. I cannot believe that town foolishness actually believes these things as they are not remotely true. ##unvote
##vote: foolishnessI simply cannot connect the idea of foolishness being a good town player and him being town while saying things so blatantly false about so many players in this game.
...here is where he actually votes for Foolish...
On January 23 2014 07:28 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 06:51 gonzaw wrote:
Is there ANYBODY who believes Holy might be a good D1 lynch? Even if you don't believe he might be a good lynch (because of replacement stuff), did that last post of his convince you he's town? Did it have an impact on your read of him? If so why?
marvy, you said you would be thinking about Holy after you come back.....so? You are just focusing on Foo now. Yes I think holy is a good lynch. My good lynch list is: holy, fool, Kita, sand, Austin. Unfortunately none of them are making me jump out of my skin and scream: scum! They are all scummy to the point of being willing to lynch them.
...here is where he's all about a HolyFlare lynch, and places him on his lynch list AHEAD of Foolish, where his vote is presently...
On January 23 2014 07:30 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 07:04 austinmcc wrote:
How do we know sandro is replacing out? Did i miss something? Gah! This fucking post. Austin is so disconnected from this game. I know it consolidation time so I don't want to start a new thing on Austin but fuck do I want to lynch him based on this post.
...here is even more consideration of others besides Foolish, in this case a semi-lurker...
There are a few posts here where he starts looking at sand....
On January 23 2014 07:44 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 07:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
What ranks him higher than sandroba who is A) a lurker and B) trying to get you lynched? Is it just the fact that he's set to be lynched? I find fool likelier scum than sand. Sand pulls this shit as town while fool hasn't done so in my experience. I wouldn't be unhappy with a sand list, it isn't my preference but I wouldn't hate it.
...and here he ranks fool likelier scum than sand. Yet his VOTE ended up on Sand. Saying "He went after Fool, they obviously not a scumteam noob LOLOLOLOL" is.....unfair. Grossly.
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@Foo: I'm not really going to put any attention on Prome or marv until way after some other dudes are dead. I just don't want to assume that kind of stuff in case I get paranoid later or something.
Although meh fuck it I guess it doesn't hurt to consider those 4 "confirmed town", at least by the time D2 arrives.
About WOS:
Well, I am the "direct" responsible for WOS's vote on D1, so I dunno if I can get anything meaningful out of it. Had I said "Vote sandro" he could have parked his vote on sandro. Then your story would be different Foo.
I guess it's just something I'll likely ignore for now regarding WOS.
For example:
Then before voting for me says that my answers were "good enough" and that they "fit for a lack of a better term", and that it's my "early play that doesn't make sense to me". If my answers are fitting and good enough why are you voting for me?
Couldn't you say this exact same thing about Prome's vote on sandro? Doesn't really think he's scum, but under pressure sheeps gonzaw into voting him.
Couldn't WOS do the same thing? Not really think Foolishness is scum, but under pressure (he was apparently in a rush to leave), sheep gonzaw into voting him.
The situations are so similar, that I don't know if I can critique one of them (WOS) without critiquing the other one (Prome).
(of course not 100% similar, one was 5 minutes before lynch, but in the sense that I mentioned above they are kind of similar)
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Well VE, good, you are actually progressing here by posting some justification for reads.
70 hours too late, but still...
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Anyways, I don't really see scum Foo here just shutting down basically possibilities for his scumteam to win later. He straight up calls Prome and marv like confirmed town. He had every right in the world to keep tunneling them (like he did on D1), yet he makes sense and instantly backs off both of them, reducing the pool of suspects to 5 (Foo, Toad, VE, Kita, Holy), where there are 2 scum and we have 2 misslynches to spare.
That's scum suicide basically, unless he can be so sure he can win in that 5-people standoff.
And I mean, by "has every right in the world to keep tunneling them", I mean in the sense of what VE is doing here attacking Prome. I.e basically ignoring the fact Prome fluently participated in sandro's last-minute lynch and trying to nitpick other stuff and coming up with complex scenarios he's scum, etc.
Scum Foo would be all over that shit with both Prome and marv. Specially with marv.
I'll just assume he's town for now until we misslynch someone.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On January 24 2014 05:37 gonzaw wrote:@Foo: I'm not really going to put any attention on Prome or marv until way after some other dudes are dead. I just don't want to assume that kind of stuff in case I get paranoid later or something. Although meh fuck it I guess it doesn't hurt to consider those 4 "confirmed town", at least by the time D2 arrives.
About WOS:Well, I am the "direct" responsible for WOS's vote on D1, so I dunno if I can get anything meaningful out of it. Had I said "Vote sandro" he could have parked his vote on sandro. Then your story would be different Foo. I guess it's just something I'll likely ignore for now regarding WOS. For example: Show nested quote +Then before voting for me says that my answers were "good enough" and that they "fit for a lack of a better term", and that it's my "early play that doesn't make sense to me". If my answers are fitting and good enough why are you voting for me? Couldn't you say this exact same thing about Prome's vote on sandro? Doesn't really think he's scum, but under pressure sheeps gonzaw into voting him. Couldn't WOS do the same thing? Not really think Foolishness is scum, but under pressure (he was apparently in a rush to leave), sheep gonzaw into voting him. The situations are so similar, that I don't know if I can critique one of them (WOS) without critiquing the other one (Prome). (of course not 100% similar, one was 5 minutes before lynch, but in the sense that I mentioned above they are kind of similar)
Right, and what I'm trying to say is that the timing does matter here. Sheeping a read with 10 minutes left in the day makes more sense because you're in a high pressure situation. I don't think WoS was in a high pressure situation even if he had to leave. Why not just vote for who he thinks is most scummy even if it's not Promethelax or myself? Would it seem odd to you if instead his last post was, "Foolishness lynch doesn't seem right, case on Promethelax is weak, I'm voting *insert random other player here* because he's not contributing, not active as usual, saying silly things, whatever"? No, that wouldn't be odd cause that would be a townie's mindset.
I'd have to go back and reread his filter to be sure, but from what I remember it seems like he was contributing a lot to the current lynch suspects but never bringing up suspects of his own.
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On January 24 2014 05:28 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2014 05:19 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 24 2014 05:18 gonzaw wrote:
I try not to be an asshole normally, but you are walking right into that shit VE I'm not walking into anything, I'm literally trying to have a conversation. You're being an asshole for no reason. I'm saying please stop. Now please stop. You are suggesting that the three leading votes candidates, all of whom strongly pushed each other are all scum together. And you are getting mad when people suggest that that assumption is anyone but silly. VE look, you aren't dumb, you aren't bad and you usually don't get caught up in conspiracy theories. What is it about this game. This time. That leads you to going for the most complex solution to the problem? Why is Kita off the table when a few minutes ago you said kita's use of the town pairs thing made him scum. Why are fool and I scum together? Why is either of us scum individually? I just don't understand what your thought process is at all this game dude. And generally I'm there with you but here I'm not at all.
It's not complex, it's actually really really simple.
Foolishness, semi-lurker, is paired with sandroba, hard lurker and Promethelax, hard lurker. Foolish decides to try and get a wagon going on Promethelax, knowing that towns typically don't go for lurker lynches and crazy VE is voting for him too so meh. Town, unsurprisingly, votes for another lurker. Generally not a problem, but in this case it's the OTHER scum. So Promethelax has to come out of hard lurk and vote with town.
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And it's just something I'm considering. All I know for sure is that I'm town and I THINK Prom scum. I could be convinced that scum actually wanted Foolishness lynched and abandoned ship.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On January 24 2014 05:42 gonzaw wrote:
Anyways, I don't really see scum Foo here just shutting down basically possibilities for his scumteam to win later. He straight up calls Prome and marv like confirmed town. He had every right in the world to keep tunneling them (like he did on D1), yet he makes sense and instantly backs off both of them, reducing the pool of suspects to 5 (Foo, Toad, VE, Kita, Holy), where there are 2 scum and we have 2 misslynches to spare.
That's scum suicide basically, unless he can be so sure he can win in that 5-people standoff.
And I mean, by "has every right in the world to keep tunneling them", I mean in the sense of what VE is doing here attacking Prome. I.e basically ignoring the fact Prome fluently participated in sandro's last-minute lynch and trying to nitpick other stuff and coming up with complex scenarios he's scum, etc.
Scum Foo would be all over that shit with both Prome and marv. Specially with marv.
I'll just assume he's town for now until we misslynch someone.
If I'm mafia what is my game plan to win this game? That'd probably mean the other member was on the sandroba train and I'm hoping that he can cruise the next 4 lynches to victory. If my mafia buddy is in the pool of Toad, Kita, VE, WoS then we're pretty much screwed since they are already under suspicion and I can only survive so long and divert so many lynches before I get punished for it.
If one of you, austin, marvellosity, Promethelax, Hapa is mafia I'm pretty sure they will reveal themselves over time. Not tomorrow, maybe not even day three, but they will show it eventually. Off of long term behavior.
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