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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
January 22 2014 21:19 GMT
#719
austin: Paranoia, but I had to cheat

On January 22 2014 07:19 Foolishness wrote:
Questionable players
Austin
sandroba

marvellosity
Holyflare
Gonzaw

This is roughly in order of most to least town. Austin and sandroba might as well be afk until 3 pages ago, but since coming to the thread both have had strong appearances. I'm okay with them right now because they have brought things to the thread, and it is also obvious that if they continue their activity then they are town. If they keep going afk for long periods of time then start to worry. But I don't feel like that will happen.

The following 3 people are all in the ? category. Marvellosity and Holyflare in particular because for all that they have said I don't feel they have really contributed much. Even as I'm writing this I'm thinking back, "what has marvellosity or holyflare done this game", and I cannot remember a single post they have made. That's a bad sign. Anything mafia indicative off the bat? No so much, but then seem to be here without actually being here.

On January 22 2014 09:22 Foolishness wrote:
I still stand by that marvellosity is a big mystery this game. He's not our lynch today but everyone should have at least one eye on him.

On January 23 2014 05:20 Foolishness wrote:
To explain Austin, at the time I made that post where you and sandroba are together, you and him had both shown up to the thread and posted a couple times, but that was it. My thinking was that, "okay, as long as these guys are here and continue to post they should be town". This especially applies to sandroba because he is known for being really inactive as mafia.

You're here and posting, should be obvious that you are town. He's not here and not posting, and that speaks volumes for him.

On January 23 2014 05:44 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2014 05:33 gonzaw wrote:
Foolishness, who of these 2 is mafia?
sandroba
marvellosity

Assume you HAVE to pick ONLY ONE of them. Which one do you pick and why?

Marvellosity. He's posted a bunch and hasn't done anything. Can you tell me without looking at his filter something that marvellosity has done for the town this game?
+ Show Spoiler +
The real answer to your question is "both"



On January 22 2014 02:05 sandroba wrote:
@foolishness let's chat a bit. What's indicative of scum mentality in that WoS post you quoted? I don't really see it.

@marv besides foolishness whoelse do you think it's worth looking into?

On January 22 2014 02:19 sandroba wrote:
I don't have a problem with kita. He was one of the first people to try to get the thread rolling and I agree with his recent comment on gonzaw's post. Prom and gonzaw are the ones giving me weird vibes so far, maybe foolishness, but I need more from him before I can tell.

So what the fuck is going on here? In the first post, Foolishness is "sandroba's entrance was fine" - I believe this was picked up by multiple people who questioned it - and we never got an answer as far as I can see from Foolish's filter, despite being asked by more than one person (pls don't say i missed it thanks). Also that sandroba is fine as long as he continues posting. sandroba has not continued posting. So... moving on with Foolish's posts, he prefers to lynch me over sandroba on a "general feeling", despite the fact that by his own metric he should really want to be lynching sandroba pretty fucking hard right now.

sand asked Foolish (and me T.T) some really random question, and then in the 2nd post follows this up by randomly tacking Foolish on as someone who is "maybe" giving him scumvibes, as an afterthought. Scum/scum? (connection bad blabla, not going to lynch on this).

Actually Foolish's posts towards sandroba are exceptionally weak and contradictory in that he's basically not following through on his promises to bust sandroba's ass, which he really should be if sandroba is only fine if he continues posting - and sandroba was only fine in the first place because his posts showed some thought (did they really?)Foolish has kinda rumbled that sand is mafia but... yeah. Let me show something from Liar Game analysis:
On May 25 2012 13:49 Ver wrote:
Incognito's Analysis:


Day 1:

Right out the gate on page 6 we have some nice baseline standards for accountability:

Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 15:36 EchelonTee wrote:
@Sandroba: Last time you were town in a PM game you broke the hell out of it; if I don't see similar efforts then it's tunnel city.


I love when people make these kinds of statements. It gives you something concrete to hold them accountable to. It doesn't matter that it's a bad idea to tunnel, but now if you don't see EchelonTee following up on this that is a huge hint. Looking through his filter, he doesn't really have any comments on this other than a wishy-washy statement about how he could be mafia but isn't apathetic. Classic mafia overreaction to trying to distance themselves from their team. Even though it isn't conclusive, its a good start. One method would be to push for a sandroba lynch and see if EchelonTee responds like he says he would.

[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
January 22 2014 21:27 GMT
#722
kita: I think your first and last paragraphs contain your best points, I'm going to reread on that basis now I think

On January 23 2014 06:17 Foolishness wrote:
There's also this game where marvellosity is mafia:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387&user=marvellosity&view=all

And there is a notable difference between that game and him this game. In that game where he is mafia he's much more trolly and has a very notable attitude: lots of swearing, calling people idiots, and quoting a post and responding "lol". Now I know his attitude has improved on the whole, but the fact that he's taking this game seriously probably does say something about him.

So what is it saying, Fool?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
January 22 2014 21:33 GMT
#724
Quick cheat list:

Sexy mofos:
marv
Hapa
gonzaw

Mildly attractive mofos:
VisceraEyes
WaveofShadow
austinmcc

Totally ignoring this mofo for now:
Holyflare

Could be attractive, but i don't like his shoes mofo:
kitaman27

Possibly unattractive, pending mofo:
Promethelax

Ugly mofos:
Foolishness
sandroba

1. Foolishness
2. Marvellosity
3. Promethelax
4. Austinmcc
5. Sandroba
6. VisceraEyes
7. Kitaman27
8. HolyFlare
9. Hapahauli
10. Gonzaw
11. WaveofShadow
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
January 22 2014 21:34 GMT
#725
On January 23 2014 06:32 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2014 06:27 marvellosity wrote:
kita: I think your first and last paragraphs contain your best points, I'm going to reread on that basis now I think

On January 23 2014 06:17 Foolishness wrote:
There's also this game where marvellosity is mafia:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387&user=marvellosity&view=all

And there is a notable difference between that game and him this game. In that game where he is mafia he's much more trolly and has a very notable attitude: lots of swearing, calling people idiots, and quoting a post and responding "lol". Now I know his attitude has improved on the whole, but the fact that he's taking this game seriously probably does say something about him.

So what is it saying, Fool?

Well it did say you were town. But now you're nitpicking over something about sandroba, and when your vote comes down on me you're definitely going to have a lot of explaining to do on why you caused a town to be lynched after not pushing anyone day 1.

How is that nitpicking? Why don't you seem vaguely interested in sandroba and instead only some murmurings? What were his strong posts? The one on Prome?

Would you kill sand today instead of Prome?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
January 22 2014 21:36 GMT
#726
Seriously, nitpicking? that's a horrible discredit of what I said.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
January 22 2014 21:37 GMT
#727
Hapa inc., he just logged on to skype.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
January 22 2014 21:49 GMT
#738
On January 23 2014 06:39 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2014 06:34 marvellosity wrote:
On January 23 2014 06:32 Foolishness wrote:
On January 23 2014 06:27 marvellosity wrote:
kita: I think your first and last paragraphs contain your best points, I'm going to reread on that basis now I think

On January 23 2014 06:17 Foolishness wrote:
There's also this game where marvellosity is mafia:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387&user=marvellosity&view=all

And there is a notable difference between that game and him this game. In that game where he is mafia he's much more trolly and has a very notable attitude: lots of swearing, calling people idiots, and quoting a post and responding "lol". Now I know his attitude has improved on the whole, but the fact that he's taking this game seriously probably does say something about him.

So what is it saying, Fool?

Well it did say you were town. But now you're nitpicking over something about sandroba, and when your vote comes down on me you're definitely going to have a lot of explaining to do on why you caused a town to be lynched after not pushing anyone day 1.

How is that nitpicking? Why don't you seem vaguely interested in sandroba and instead only some murmurings? What were his strong posts? The one on Prome?

Would you kill sand today instead of Prome?

It's nitpicking cause I said that his opening was fine (when he first started posting). And I posted that not too long after he was here and posting (check the timestamps). Now you're claiming that I am, but am not but maybe I was interested and oh here's a quote from Liar Game with some analysis that is only tangentially related to my argument.

At least Gonzaw's tunneling has conviction behind it (which is why he's town and you aren't). Show some conviction if you think I'm mafia.

I would not bat an eye if sandroba died. The problem is is that Promethelax is mafia and there is solid information on why. What's the information saying sandroba is mafia? oh he's inactive. Well great, welcome to day 1 sandroba.

So let me get this straight.
1) sandroba's opening posts are fine/insightful (??)
2) if sandroba continues to post and is active he is town
3) sandroba has not been posting or active, but... it's sandroba!

that's the line you've taken, yes?
And
a) marv might be mafia for not doing anything
b) marv points out contradiction on attitude towards sand
c) marv is dissimilar to this mafia game so maybe he's town
d) marv is mafia because he's attacking me

right?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
January 22 2014 21:55 GMT
#743
I'll do it, I need to.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
January 22 2014 21:56 GMT
#745
Fool in brief.

Am I mafia?
Is sand mafia?

Just based on likelihoods, doesn't need to be certain
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
January 22 2014 21:57 GMT
#747
Why is VE playing in some other random scrub game and not in this game at deadline btw?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
January 22 2014 22:00 GMT
#749
On January 23 2014 03:59 Holyflare wrote:
Oh well you've all unvoted now, whatevs! Really can't post anymore (((( Sorry for the resources you spent looking into me :x!

What do ppl make of this in particular?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
January 22 2014 22:01 GMT
#751
I feel really awks lynching someone subbing out though.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
January 22 2014 22:06 GMT
#758
Why don't we just kill the dude who doesn't care about town after all?
Kinda curious that Fool has 4 ppl as likely mafia (Prome, holy, me, sand) but...willing to test him on sand for now.

##Vote: sandroba
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
January 22 2014 22:08 GMT
#761
eh keep getting distracted. Shall go hunt.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
January 22 2014 22:16 GMT
#770
On January 22 2014 23:42 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2014 23:14 Holyflare wrote:
On January 21 2014 23:12 marvellosity wrote:
On January 21 2014 23:07 Holyflare wrote:
On January 21 2014 22:51 gonzaw wrote:
Fluff o clock just happens to be at the same time as my foot massage time Promy prom
Im at work. Skimmed and theres too much blablabla ill ignore.
Ill gladly focus on foo and maybe marvy when i get home. But right now, marv is right, unless anything more interestong happens foolishness should be D1 lynch. WHY CANT YOU BE TOWM FOO I REALLY WANT YOU TO!!
Im scared of kita since he seems to have that umreadable type of attitude when playing and pressuring. Doesnt help he gets into fluffy discussions and shit.



Why Foolishness over sandroba? They have both posted nothing. Your goal is clearly to lynch a lurker today so why are you going to ignore the rest of what has happened on day 1 when your intentions are already set in stone?

The wording of this question doesn't make sense, because the red follows logically from the green, no?


There is clearly more than 1 scum in this game. If he has found 1 why has he got the intention to not read to find another?


Will follow up on this as I read but this post stands out on my so-bad-it-has-to-come-from-town radar. The post so deeply misunderstands how to play mafia as a whole and places pressure so fully away from anything resembling clear thought that it does nothing. I cannot expound enough on how poor I think this line of thought is.
But I don't see it coming from a scummer since my memory of HF is that he doesn't suck at scum and wouldn't post something so totally awful if he was concerned about how other people read him.

I don't think these 2 are mafia together.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
January 22 2014 22:26 GMT
#780
So Fool and sand are both on Prome

i don't like that lynch very much.

In the part of Prome's filter where he attacked Fool and then voted kita which didn't make very much sense to me given he was apparently suspicious of Fool earlier, but now he's back voting Fool which makes more sense. Kinda confusing actually
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
January 22 2014 22:41 GMT
#802
There's two very smelly people on the Prome wagon and sandroba aint flying because mysteriously he's not a good lynch to fool
##unvote
##vote: Foolishness
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
January 22 2014 22:45 GMT
#811
On January 23 2014 07:43 austinmcc wrote:
I'm still alright with prome or sand, I don't think Foolishness's posts on sand are at ALL the reason people aren't lynching him. In fact, that's super duper wrong?

marv, you just saying stuff, or you actually believe that sandroba isn't hanging because of Foolishness?

That's not at all what i'm saying, what are you talking about?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
January 22 2014 22:48 GMT
#821
On January 23 2014 07:46 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2014 07:41 marvellosity wrote:
There's two very smelly people on the Prome wagon and sandroba aint flying because mysteriously he's not a good lynch to fool
##unvote
##vote: Foolishness
I read this to indicate "I want to lynch sandroba but people won't lynch him because foolishness, for whatever reason, does not want to lynch him"

right, ok. "because" was the wrong word there. It was more "the two people I dislike most are on the Prome wagon, and one of the people i dislike is curiously against voting the other guy i dislike"
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
January 22 2014 22:51 GMT
#833
On January 23 2014 07:47 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2014 07:41 marvellosity wrote:
There's two very smelly people on the Prome wagon and sandroba aint flying because mysteriously he's not a good lynch to fool
##unvote
##vote: Foolishness


To be clear, you're voting Foolishness because you think he is mafia and prom is not, rather than voting based on who is on what wagon, correct?

I didn't come to a particularly firm conclusion on Prome. At any rate he's less likely than Fool imo.

I might be the only one who thinks this but I think that Prome's buddying of me is more likely to come from town on the balance of things. We like to play a bit of grabass and I'm not sure he'd be so blates about it as mafia
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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