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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 30 2014 21:21 GMT
#2669
I've never seen you parading about that you're hiding what you're thinking at lylo

maybe i need to pay more attention
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 30 2014 21:35 GMT
#2672
It's a perfectly good answer, the question was bad.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 30 2014 21:39 GMT
#2674
Because hiding thoughts at lylo is just obviously dumb unless you're *that* sure that this lynch is correct. Which you could be I suppose.
I'm about to be PC-less again momentarily, bf's and shiz :p will maybe try to phonepost.

Anyway the main stuff was about austin, as per my post a couple of pages back directly addressing you
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 31 2014 01:23 GMT
#2678
On January 23 2014 02:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't know man, the catchup posts seemed disingenuous, but I'm afraid I'm biased. Based on the posts I'm more willing to admit that I could be wrong about Prome, and yes the alternatives are looking better.

The thing about Prome is that there's no POP to his posts - when he's town, when he thinks he's found something suspicious something clicks and his confidence shoots up and you can see it in his posts. I didn't get that feeling when he was posting about you. But again, I'm not sure how much of it is my own bias speaking.

Foolishness/Sandroba/HolyFlare are three targets who are, in my opinion, well equipped to prove their worth D1 if they're town. That none of them has been able to do this is troubling to me.

Been checking through VE's filter for Prome thoughts. Possibly this is the strongest thing in there. I defended Prome on ego partly because I was totally convinced Fool was pushing for a mislynch, but this stuff nonetheless remains true. "there's no POP" is really an excellent description.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 31 2014 01:28 GMT
#2680
On January 31 2014 10:26 Toadesstern wrote:
yes bussing him is probably the right decision at this moment

Isn't it though, Toad

Someone seems quite sure of themselves, hmm?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 31 2014 01:30 GMT
#2683
Alright Wave, you're awesome. Happy? :p

Some of us are going back to relook for ourselves, now shoo.

Or talk to me about austin, up to you, i can't be up for much longer.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 31 2014 01:31 GMT
#2684
On January 31 2014 10:29 austinmcc wrote:
It's tough to pop while hiding

It is, yet he has *enough* filter to be poppy in.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 31 2014 01:31 GMT
#2685
So I post and magically 3 people appeared. How lovely
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 31 2014 01:33 GMT
#2687
Reminding me makes no difference to anything, because i won't forget it, and you prodding me about it won't make me go look at it any faster
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 31 2014 01:51 GMT
#2695
On January 31 2014 10:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
I actually understood to some degree what austin was getting at at the time to be honest. I also don't find the line of thought scummy in any way, really. He dropped when you explained it the best, here.
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 07:14 marvellosity wrote:
Because day 3 is not day 1

Are you being purposefully obtuse?

You can find plenty of games of mine where I day 1 shenannie. No games where I am not voting my strongest read day 3. It's exceptionally simple to understand

I basically found it suspicious because it seemed so obvious what I was talking about, and it shouldn't have to require me shouting the really obvious context at him to make him stop going down that path. Apparently if you empathised and understood at the time, then it wasn't quite correct for me to find it that off. Ok.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 31 2014 01:54 GMT
#2697
Well don't do anything superdumb like not post definitively in resolution period (assuming we get that far trololol etc), because, ya know, it's not unlikely you'll be shot, methinks.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 31 2014 01:57 GMT
#2700
how do you see austin's posting on the holy/toad slot this game Wave?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 31 2014 02:01 GMT
#2704
On January 31 2014 10:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2014 10:51 marvellosity wrote:
On January 31 2014 10:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
I actually understood to some degree what austin was getting at at the time to be honest. I also don't find the line of thought scummy in any way, really. He dropped when you explained it the best, here.
On January 29 2014 07:14 marvellosity wrote:
Because day 3 is not day 1

Are you being purposefully obtuse?

You can find plenty of games of mine where I day 1 shenannie. No games where I am not voting my strongest read day 3. It's exceptionally simple to understand

I basically found it suspicious because it seemed so obvious what I was talking about, and it shouldn't have to require me shouting the really obvious context at him to make him stop going down that path. Apparently if you empathised and understood at the time, then it wasn't quite correct for me to find it that off. Ok.

Is there anything else?
Do you think the final scumteam is austin and prome?
Is Toad involved?

If I were simply to lynch 2 individuals right now, it would be Prome and Toad. I just need to get my head around this:
On January 22 2014 23:42 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2014 23:14 Holyflare wrote:
On January 21 2014 23:12 marvellosity wrote:
On January 21 2014 23:07 Holyflare wrote:
On January 21 2014 22:51 gonzaw wrote:
Fluff o clock just happens to be at the same time as my foot massage time Promy prom
Im at work. Skimmed and theres too much blablabla ill ignore.
Ill gladly focus on foo and maybe marvy when i get home. But right now, marv is right, unless anything more interestong happens foolishness should be D1 lynch. WHY CANT YOU BE TOWM FOO I REALLY WANT YOU TO!!
Im scared of kita since he seems to have that umreadable type of attitude when playing and pressuring. Doesnt help he gets into fluffy discussions and shit.



Why Foolishness over sandroba? They have both posted nothing. Your goal is clearly to lynch a lurker today so why are you going to ignore the rest of what has happened on day 1 when your intentions are already set in stone?

The wording of this question doesn't make sense, because the red follows logically from the green, no?


There is clearly more than 1 scum in this game. If he has found 1 why has he got the intention to not read to find another?


Will follow up on this as I read but this post stands out on my so-bad-it-has-to-come-from-town radar. The post so deeply misunderstands how to play mafia as a whole and places pressure so fully away from anything resembling clear thought that it does nothing. I cannot expound enough on how poor I think this line of thought is.
But I don't see it coming from a scummer since my memory of HF is that he doesn't suck at scum and wouldn't post something so totally awful if he was concerned about how other people read him.

to make them into a team. It doesn't make it impossible for sure, but it makes me frown thinking about it. It would be Prome's best play of the game I think. It could be a "i'm drawing attention to this so that I'm not drawing attention to this" sort of thing.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 31 2014 02:07 GMT
#2708
On January 31 2014 11:00 austinmcc wrote:
That's more or less kita's question.

I don't think it's a scum-marv comment. He's not scum because he said that. He's scum for general feel, for the brainz question, for his willingness to sit in the backseat this game EVEN AS THE GAME GOES TO ENDGAME (look at foolishness's posts on kita/toad/prome, kita's post on Sandroba's willingness to bus, and compare that to anything that marv has put forth). That comment just made me go look harder at his D1 voting, and also just...fight with him about it but it's not a town/scum battleground. He just got really bristly and I don't like the bristliness, or the fact that there's no ground given by either of us over whether the comment allows for a D3/D1 difference.

It's a long time back, but in Movie Mini marv gets to mid/middish game and goes nuts trying to hunt a scum roleblocker because that's the only way for town to POSSIBLY win. In champions he has a burst of activity in late midgame, trying to get things on the right track for town. Even when marv isn't LEADING, marv wants to SOLVE the game.

We're one day from endgame and marv still wasn't even convinced on prome, for the longest time today, and he's still not voting and doesn't appear to be fully convinced. Foolishness and Kita put in legwork, I ... opened LX in another tab and have not looked at it much, and marv is just content to fret over who might or might not be scum. Except not really, because he's not taking any stances, he's not burst of activity-ing. He's just sort of here to say that maybe some folks are mafia.


This post is grossly unfair. I believed Foolish was mafia (and was the first not to dally after his epic posts) and the game was built around that. And I pushed it and I got Foolish lynched like I wanted, that was to be my crowning glory this game, and I damn well made sure it happened. Except he was town and everything fell around me and how I viewed the game simply didn't really exist anymore.

Pretty much I don't feel bad for being a bit unsure today in light of this. Pretty sure you're being pretty bad and wrong with this whole post because of this.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 31 2014 02:09 GMT
#2710
On January 31 2014 11:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2014 11:01 marvellosity wrote:
On January 31 2014 10:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
On January 31 2014 10:51 marvellosity wrote:
On January 31 2014 10:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
I actually understood to some degree what austin was getting at at the time to be honest. I also don't find the line of thought scummy in any way, really. He dropped when you explained it the best, here.
On January 29 2014 07:14 marvellosity wrote:
Because day 3 is not day 1

Are you being purposefully obtuse?

You can find plenty of games of mine where I day 1 shenannie. No games where I am not voting my strongest read day 3. It's exceptionally simple to understand

I basically found it suspicious because it seemed so obvious what I was talking about, and it shouldn't have to require me shouting the really obvious context at him to make him stop going down that path. Apparently if you empathised and understood at the time, then it wasn't quite correct for me to find it that off. Ok.

Is there anything else?
Do you think the final scumteam is austin and prome?
Is Toad involved?

If I were simply to lynch 2 individuals right now, it would be Prome and Toad. I just need to get my head around this:
On January 22 2014 23:42 Promethelax wrote:
On January 21 2014 23:14 Holyflare wrote:
On January 21 2014 23:12 marvellosity wrote:
On January 21 2014 23:07 Holyflare wrote:
On January 21 2014 22:51 gonzaw wrote:
Fluff o clock just happens to be at the same time as my foot massage time Promy prom
Im at work. Skimmed and theres too much blablabla ill ignore.
Ill gladly focus on foo and maybe marvy when i get home. But right now, marv is right, unless anything more interestong happens foolishness should be D1 lynch. WHY CANT YOU BE TOWM FOO I REALLY WANT YOU TO!!
Im scared of kita since he seems to have that umreadable type of attitude when playing and pressuring. Doesnt help he gets into fluffy discussions and shit.



Why Foolishness over sandroba? They have both posted nothing. Your goal is clearly to lynch a lurker today so why are you going to ignore the rest of what has happened on day 1 when your intentions are already set in stone?

The wording of this question doesn't make sense, because the red follows logically from the green, no?


There is clearly more than 1 scum in this game. If he has found 1 why has he got the intention to not read to find another?


Will follow up on this as I read but this post stands out on my so-bad-it-has-to-come-from-town radar. The post so deeply misunderstands how to play mafia as a whole and places pressure so fully away from anything resembling clear thought that it does nothing. I cannot expound enough on how poor I think this line of thought is.
But I don't see it coming from a scummer since my memory of HF is that he doesn't suck at scum and wouldn't post something so totally awful if he was concerned about how other people read him.

to make them into a team. It doesn't make it impossible for sure, but it makes me frown thinking about it. It would be Prome's best play of the game I think. It could be a "i'm drawing attention to this so that I'm not drawing attention to this" sort of thing.

Why is that hard to do as a scumteam?
That's an easy townread, and says more about a scum Prome than it does about a mafia Holy/Toad. If anything it makes Holy's theoretical scumplay more impressive to set Prome up for that easy townread.

It just reads as a very unnatural way to treat a scumbuddy. "so deeply misunderstands how to play mafia" - I can't explain very well how that doesn't sound scum-scum, if you don't see what i'm thinking about that then you're just not going to see. kita said it was a good observation at the time when I made it, so I wasn't alone in thinking that at any rate.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 31 2014 02:11 GMT
#2712
I'm not really sure if I should be frustrated that I'm being read as possible scum or flattered that people think I can play like this as scum tbh.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 31 2014 02:14 GMT
#2715
On January 31 2014 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2014 11:07 marvellosity wrote:
On January 31 2014 11:00 austinmcc wrote:
That's more or less kita's question.

I don't think it's a scum-marv comment. He's not scum because he said that. He's scum for general feel, for the brainz question, for his willingness to sit in the backseat this game EVEN AS THE GAME GOES TO ENDGAME (look at foolishness's posts on kita/toad/prome, kita's post on Sandroba's willingness to bus, and compare that to anything that marv has put forth). That comment just made me go look harder at his D1 voting, and also just...fight with him about it but it's not a town/scum battleground. He just got really bristly and I don't like the bristliness, or the fact that there's no ground given by either of us over whether the comment allows for a D3/D1 difference.

It's a long time back, but in Movie Mini marv gets to mid/middish game and goes nuts trying to hunt a scum roleblocker because that's the only way for town to POSSIBLY win. In champions he has a burst of activity in late midgame, trying to get things on the right track for town. Even when marv isn't LEADING, marv wants to SOLVE the game.

We're one day from endgame and marv still wasn't even convinced on prome, for the longest time today, and he's still not voting and doesn't appear to be fully convinced. Foolishness and Kita put in legwork, I ... opened LX in another tab and have not looked at it much, and marv is just content to fret over who might or might not be scum. Except not really, because he's not taking any stances, he's not burst of activity-ing. He's just sort of here to say that maybe some folks are mafia.


This post is grossly unfair. I believed Foolish was mafia (and was the first not to dally after his epic posts) and the game was built around that. And I pushed it and I got Foolish lynched like I wanted, that was to be my crowning glory this game, and I damn well made sure it happened. Except he was town and everything fell around me and how I viewed the game simply didn't really exist anymore.

Pretty much I don't feel bad for being a bit unsure today in light of this. Pretty sure you're being pretty bad and wrong with this whole post because of this.

But there's notably someone who else who had viewed the game as 'all wrong' from the start, and he started to re-evaluate early on. Hell even I started to re-evaluate Foolishness before he was lynched, because that is what townies do. I'm not saying everything austin pointed out here screams scum, but there are problems with your play here, and those problems ARE fair. Especially in considering how a lot of the competing thoughts and opinions were shut down that maybe would have made 'the way you view the game' a little less rigid and thus prevent things from 'falling down around you.'

Shrug. I was tunnelled. Is that 'good'? In hindsight, no. It would have been good if he flipped mafia though. I'm simply not scum because i played less than optimally during a lynch and what that resulted in for me.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 31 2014 02:16 GMT
#2717
btw, brilliant austin.

toad is town because "he's not doing anything and he's not pushing a case on his mafiaread in any way". Wonderful.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 31 2014 02:18 GMT
#2719
Anyway screw you all for being active right about the time I need to be in bed. 2:20 so I am heading there immediately.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 31 2014 02:22 GMT
#2722
On January 31 2014 11:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2014 11:18 marvellosity wrote:
Anyway screw you all for being active right about the time I need to be in bed. 2:20 so I am heading there immediately.

kk will you be around to talk tomorrow?
I will actually be pretty active for most of the day up until usual time pre-deadline.

I'll be mostly around at work, less so in the evening when I do things.
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