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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 29 2014 00:40 GMT
#2499
and syllo is a better townie than Fool. imo anyway. always had a hardon for some syllo.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 29 2014 10:28 GMT
#2525
Hey kita, thanks for coming and dropping your vote in at the end and not having to take any responsibility, that's real swell of you.

Prome, where the fuck were you this time? Thinking about you as mafia is suddenly making me feel all dirty.

On January 29 2014 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 10:55 austinmcc wrote:
On January 29 2014 10:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
On January 29 2014 10:47 austinmcc wrote:
On January 29 2014 10:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
On January 29 2014 10:38 austinmcc wrote:
Anyway, WoS, lemme know if looking at that post as an answer to the question "Can someone tell me why WoS isn't town" makes more sense. I viewed it as a fun exercise to give the reasons you were mafia, in the same vein as my asking you what you would have smacked your forehead over if Gonzaw flipped mafia.

Apart from that, interested to hear from prome about all the later-in-the-day happenings.

So....you're trying to play it off as a semi-joke post or an 'exercise' not rooted in reality?
Because you seemed pretty serious about thinking I was scum to me.
Read the question I'm responding to with THAT POST.

If the whole rest of the day gives you trouble, that's a different issue.

But if THAT POST is particularly egregious, that post is in response to a question that says, "I don't see it, someone tell me how WoS could be mafia." When responding to that, I'm going to post why you might be mafia.

Did you or did you not think I was scum for a portion of that day?
Thought there was a pretty good chance?

That day, I would have put you above prome, gonzaw, kita, toad, myself. Lower than VE. PROBABLY higher than marv, he hadn't gone full suspicious for me yet. You were with Foolishness as possible second mafia.

But honestly I wasn't too concerned about your alignment that day. My main concern about you was how people were referring to your activity, not your own alignment.

As second place scum you should be concerned about me. Everybody else was concerned about the entire scumteam.
Do you understand why this looks so dodgy to me? You are making excuses and trying to pass your scumread off as 'not really a legit read because it doesn't matter but maybe I would have lynched you.'

Which is just hilarious given the ONE THING that austin decided Prome was mafia for.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 29 2014 11:35 GMT
#2527
On January 29 2014 07:25 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 07:18 marvellosity wrote:
austin if you're town you are behaving exceptionally oddly
Agreed. I'm behaving oddly for either alignment this game, but I know that today has been really off for my towngame.

Yeah... just... mm. Can you explain why at all austin?

This is more so it's here for me to muse on when I feel like it at some point. Easier to do mechanical work when your mojo is slightly deflated :p
On January 23 2014 07:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Vote Count - Deadline at Wednesday, Jan 22 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

Foolishness (4): VisceraEyes, gonzaw, WaveofShadow, Promethelax, marvellosity, kitaman27, gonzaw
Promethelax (4): Foolishness, Kitaman27, Sandroba, Hapahauli, VisceraEyes
Sandroba (1): marvellosity, kitaman27, kitaman27
Kitaman27 (0): Promethelax, WaveofShadow
WaveOfShadow (0): Foolishness
HolyFlare (0): marvellosity, kitaman27, gonzaw VisceraEyes
Hapahauli (0): VisceraEyes
VisceraEyes (0): Hapahauli, kitaman27

Not voted (2): Austinmcc, HolyFlare

If you notice a mistake, please let us know!

Currently Foolishness is set to be lynched for reaching 4 votes first.

On January 23 2014 07:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Vote Count - Deadline at Wednesday, Jan 22 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

Foolishness (6): VisceraEyes, gonzaw, WaveofShadow, Promethelax, marvellosity, Hapahauli, marvellosity, kitaman27, gonzaw
Promethelax (3): Foolishness, Kitaman27, Sandroba, Hapahauli, VisceraEyes
gonzaw (1): HolyFlare
Sandroba (0): marvellosity, kitaman27, kitaman27
Kitaman27 (0): Promethelax, WaveofShadow
WaveOfShadow (0): Foolishness
HolyFlare (0): marvellosity, kitaman27, gonzaw VisceraEyes
Hapahauli (0): VisceraEyes
VisceraEyes (0): Hapahauli, kitaman27

Not voted (1): Austinmcc

If you notice a mistake, please let us know!

Currently Foolishness is set to be lynched.

On January 23 2014 08:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Please stop posting.
Final Vote Count - Deadline at Wednesday, Jan 22 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

Sandroba (5): gonzaw, austinmcc, marvellosity, Hapahauli, Promethelax, marvellosity, kitaman27, kitaman27
Promethelax (3): Foolishness, Kitaman27, Sandroba, Hapahauli, VisceraEyes
Foolishness (2): VisceraEyes, WaveofShadow, Hapahauli, Promethelax gonzaw, marvellosity, marvellosity, kitaman27, gonzaw
gonzaw (1): HolyFlare
Kitaman27 (0): Promethelax, WaveofShadow
WaveOfShadow (0): Foolishness
HolyFlare (0): marvellosity, kitaman27, gonzaw VisceraEyes
Hapahauli (0): VisceraEyes
VisceraEyes (0): Hapahauli, kitaman27

Not voted (0)

If you notice a mistake, please let us know!

Sandroba is set to be lynched.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 29 2014 12:01 GMT
#2534
On January 29 2014 20:55 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 20:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
On January 29 2014 20:28 Promethelax wrote:
We lynch austin tomorrow. This is not even a debate. He had a scummy switch to sand d1 he has played under the radar. He was the only vote not on foolishness d3. Austin's behaviour has been scummy the only reason he wasn't scum is that he and fool were not scum together.

Hmm.
I seem to be very short of convinced.
I also don't see what made his switch to sandroba scummy when nobody considered it as such days ago.


I did. His and marv's were both scummy.

Sand is a detriment to his team. When he is up against two townies in me and foolishness you need to make sure you look good from his flip because it will come d1 or d2. So quick switching around deadline when I had clearly had foolish as more scummy and Hapa wasn't present was an easy way to do that. Scum expected not to get sand lynched d1 but to look good from having voted him but Hapa and I went over in the last two minutes and scum could not change their votes, they were stuck on sand.

The middle votes were scummy. On top of that the scum shots have all been into the group of players who voted sand to reinforce the idea that everyone on that vote was town. Shooting outside of it would have been fine to eliminate players like Kita who had no suspicion on him and is a better analyst than Gonzaw. But they needed the idea of fool's to take hold.

Voting mafia on day 1 definitely scummy. Got it.

To the bold: so if I'm mafia, I'm making a massive gamble that neither Hapa NOR Prome NOR VE (in your scenario) will move over after what sand had posted? That's a bit of a stretch isn't it?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 29 2014 12:06 GMT
#2536
I don't want you to be scum, still. boo.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 29 2014 12:07 GMT
#2539
On January 29 2014 21:07 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 21:06 marvellosity wrote:
I don't want you to be scum, still. boo.


You know I'm not. Don't pretend.

Comments like this aren't helping.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 29 2014 12:12 GMT
#2542
I am not Prome.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 29 2014 12:14 GMT
#2543
On January 29 2014 21:10 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 21:07 marvellosity wrote:
On January 29 2014 21:07 Promethelax wrote:
On January 29 2014 21:06 marvellosity wrote:
I don't want you to be scum, still. boo.


You know I'm not. Don't pretend.

Comments like this aren't helping.


Two scenerios
1. Scummarv
-you know based on me not being your buddy in your role pm
2. Townmarv
-you know because you know me and my play and I'm clearly town this game

Either way you know. Which is fun because either you are town and will defend me from a lynch or you are scum and you have to pretend to defend me from a lynch because you know town you would.

You overestimate either me, yourself, or you misunderstand the state of the game, if you think I have reason to be confident of your alignment right now my friend. And I don't like that you're pushing this at me.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 29 2014 14:35 GMT
#2545
No. As it says on the tin really.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 29 2014 14:53 GMT
#2547
You kangaroo the tuckered nine-yard canoe all you like, twinkletoes.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 29 2014 17:30 GMT
#2559
no, that's not how the case read to me. Did you go back and read it? He basically called off the case at the end of it because he (weirdly) decided you couldn't be scum with Foolish.

Snippets from the case:
I see this as being a scum player trying to change his day1 town play for something else and excusing it in the thread unnecessarily.

This post so gloriously misunderstands what I said that it cannot come from town.

Austin fluffs hard for a while d1 when Fool and Sand are being brought up a lot. He spends most of day one talking about how I am scum and about random fluff like marv's love of tentacles. One of those things is productive, the other is a lot of effort put into looking casual.

You can have issues with the case, but not because he wasn't looking individually at you or your alignment, that's wrong.

One interesting thing about the case is that he goes from
This is just a side note but if Fool is scum this post is scum as shit. It is very directly trying to remove discussion from Fool. I can hear the chainsaw revving in the background.

to
This seems to point against a fool/sand/austin team. I don't see fool (a not bad player) lumping his two scum budddies together in this way. This is simply not how a scum refers to all of their team during d1 when two scum players are under suspicion.

I'm quite curious to hear how you view the 2 quotes as a thought process or whatever, austin.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 29 2014 18:42 GMT
#2576
austin, tell me, over all my scumgames, about me defending my scumbuddies, how often I do it, how I do it.

kita: alright, will do. just popping in pre-exercise at the moment though. I do remember finding a quote from Prome's filter at some stage that made it seem quite unlikely to me that Prome was mafia with Holyflare(toad) though. I think you even commented on it.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 29 2014 22:42 GMT
#2584
kita, I been dozing on and off this evening, fraid that shit gonna have to wait.

Sadly there's 0 chance I get shot now, so I'll play hard next cycle.

My one phobia is snakes. Ew. We need to really properly talk at some point tomorrow austin (on the not particularly dangerous assumption we'll still both be here :p), I need to see what your thoughts on me are really made of.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 29 2014 22:56 GMT
#2588
that's because you are odd and strange kita.

And yeah, I never came back with a firm read on you. Mainly because I'd start looking at you and not really find what I was looking for (whatever that was)

I'm not really sure what you're suggesting my angle is here... keeping my options open or something? when most people see you as much townier than I was seeing you? That doesn't really work.

Fool's towncase really finally firmed up my read on you. Did a really cursory check of what he suggested and he made strong points. At the time I thought he included the towncase on you to look legit while he pushed other bad arguments on Prome and Toad.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 29 2014 22:56 GMT
#2589
thanks for the count though austin :p
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 29 2014 23:00 GMT
#2593
I thought the analysis read fine but he was purposefully coming to the wrong conclusion because he was wanting to push that as a mislynch before he died. Missing out stuff like how Prome's ego might affect his play both in the meta analysis and in-game analysis.

Again with the stuff on Holy/Toad, it seemed like he was purposefully picking out trolly comments from back to the basics to try to make holy look town here, even though holy had properly tryharded in other scumgames like lxiii and hogwarts.

i couldn't find those 'holes' in the kita analysis. Maybe just because I know holy and prome better than i know kita, i don't know.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 29 2014 23:00 GMT
#2594
On January 30 2014 07:58 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2014 07:56 marvellosity wrote:
that's because you are odd and strange kita.


I suppose I'll take that over Foolishness's proof that I'm mentally insane -_-

ha

gg kita.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 30 2014 12:06 GMT
#2611
Hallo Wave. Just been flicking through your filter. You're in luck!
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 30 2014 12:17 GMT
#2612
This post is so compelling. Really seems to take apart how sand approaches playing mafia.
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 30 2014 02:59 kitaman27 wrote:
Re: sandroba's vote on Prom day one.

The biggest reason that I was hesitant on my suspicion of Prom after pushing him on day one was the 3-3 vote by sandroba. I saw marv mention that sandroba wasn't a player that likes to bus and I kinda assumed it was true as I didn't spend the time to verify this was true. I spent time looking at how sandroba addresses scum buddies at the beginning of the game with the "@" symbol and didn't come to any conclusions, but I never looked at his early game voting record. I'm pretty upset with myself considering what I have found:

Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 13:56 sandroba wrote:
Fucking hell I had no time to post properly sorry guys =(


Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 11:08 sandroba wrote:
Also L I recognize that type of play from last game. Who the fuck you think is scum? Nice blabbering and walls of nothing. I'd be up for a L lynch aswel.


Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 03:27 sandroba wrote:
Still I feel way more confident lynching GGQ or L. Double lynch needs at least 9 more votes to go through and I'd really like to get at least one red killed today.


sandroba and L are scum buddies this game.

Show nested quote +
On October 21 2011 08:02 sandroba wrote:
##Vote: sinani206


Provides no case, but votes for his scum buddy sinani.

Show nested quote +
On July 04 2011 01:22 sandroba wrote:
Seriously though, we should lynch a townie today.
##Unvote
##Vote: Fishball


Show nested quote +
On July 04 2011 16:34 sandroba wrote:
My assumpstion was that people would change their vote due to the quick bandwagon on fishball. Unfortunatelly that's not how it turned out. I had to take a huge risk to have any possibility of winning this =P


Scum buddies with Fishball in a 2 player game. Votes him on day one without much of a case and shows he is willing to take risks early.

Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 06:37 sandroba wrote:
I'm not lurking, I just don't have the same amount of time that I used to have to play mafia and make big posts.


Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 03:47 sandroba wrote:
Unvote
##Vote:TheToast


Day one vote against his scum buddy. No case, limited time from sandroba.

Show nested quote +
On June 30 2011 17:20 sandroba wrote:
What the hell, why are you guys voting fishball? The optimal plan is to hang RoL first, let fishball get another check or get shot by the mafia. Then, if he's still alive we hang him day3. Hanging fishball first is just dumb imo.
##Vote: RebirthofLegend


There is a dt check on RoL here, but votes are coming in on the dt instead, yet sandroba votes his buddy.

Show nested quote +
On December 19 2011 16:33 sandroba wrote:
So I tried to push annul half heatedly in a slightly scummy way to actually dissuade the people that thought I was scum from voting him, while not really convincing others that didn't find me scummy to vote him. I really had no option but to post very little and don't add much content to annul's case. Had I pushed it full strength I'm pretty sure he would have been lynched day 2 and my team didn't want that.


Look at sandroba's explanation for his day two bus on his scum buddy annul. This sounds incredibly similar to this game.

Not only is sandroba willing to bus early, he actually does it more often than not!
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 30 2014 15:20 GMT
#2613
Wave, talk to me a bit about how you've ordered your reads. Primarily I'm not quite getting how you've lumped austin into town and I'm outrageously lumped into the remaining suspicious pile. Have you reconciled yourself with the weird shit that austin has done this game?

His, imo, unreasonably strong townread on Toad/Holy based on almost nothing. His attack on Prome for a really weird reason that still no-one has agreed with, and yet for some reason he's particularly suspicious of me for not agreeing with it. The fact he's always come in super-late to push any lynch, on every single day so far. His 100% absurd attack on me for when I said "vote your strongest read" when in context it was fucking obvious I was talking about day 3. I clarified and he continued the attack on the same basis. It's totally absurd that he's really trying to catch me out for being "hypocritical" for day 1 reads and voting compared to day 3 actions.

Anyways, tell me what you're seeing that makes you confident in his alignment, plox.
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