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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 31 2014 22:54 GMT
#2835
Pretty sure the correct formatting on that is

つ ◕_◕ ༽つ GIVE DEADLINE༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 31 2014 23:00 GMT
#2839
You are smelly
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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 31 2014 23:01 GMT
#2841
Very smelly.

gg
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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 31 2014 23:03 GMT
#2845
It's fine. I absolutely thought you were town, wasn't making any of it up to play mindgames. I had WoS as the most untrusting of EVERYONE, and townie because of that, and you as townie for just not giving a crap, when as scum you should have been giving a crap.

That assumed, of course, prome mafia, which I had way way way way likelier than marv.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 31 2014 23:05 GMT
#2847
I'M MINORLY HAPPY THAT MY MISGIVINGS ABOUT YOU WERE CORRECT, MARV. YOU BETTER WATCH OUT WHEN YOU ASK ME QUESTIONS
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 31 2014 23:10 GMT
#2849
Sorry for some big afks and general disinterest for a day or two.

thanks hosts. Ran smoothly and I know there's some extra work for running these two games. I do really like the idea
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
February 01 2014 00:35 GMT
#2920
On February 01 2014 09:06 gonzaw wrote:
Well, I kind of feel bad for VE for giving up and all.
Would have been fun to have VE and marv yell at each other from D3 onwards.
I think that you have a way of getting really excited and ... drowning someone/someones out.

I don't think you got particularly like...jerk aggressive, but (and I know I can and DO do this as well), you can dominate a thread when you think you're onto something/somethings, and you post a LOT about it, and in the case of VE it felt like you really came down on him for disagreeing.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
February 01 2014 02:11 GMT
#2947
In Montpelier?
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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
February 01 2014 03:04 GMT
#2952
I'll prep my instruments

[image loading]
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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
February 01 2014 03:21 GMT
#2957
I'm in your head, toad.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
February 01 2014 19:34 GMT
#2989
On February 02 2014 01:19 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2014 23:51 Crossfire99 wrote:
I think a lot of it comes down to that playing in a game is so much different from just observing it. It isn't even about not having the obs qt or not. You have no real investment as an observer and can be "neutral," but while playing there is a lot more opportunity to be swayed be emotions and be caught up in thread sentiment because you're playing with these people not watching them play.

Basically this. Like I actually agree that I think in general I should be fairly easy to spot. Yet in game... things consistently turn out differently.
edit: it's *always* the people *out* of game who think I'm fairly obvious scum. Which is fine. I probably am :D But somehow, almost never people in the game think that way.
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2014 21:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Such a whiner.

You have no idea. Artanis is being quite kind ^_^
One of the problems with lynching you this game is just that ... other candidates appear. Regardless of how scummy you look to a single person, a lot of times it's vague statements about why you're mafia/not playing like town.

Given that the specific actions you took are things like "voted scum D1," I found it tough to put together posts like "See how he calls Foolishness mafia for this, but then something happens that he should be considering if his read is legitimate, except he doesn't consider it, showing that he doesn't have a townie mindset and isn't building reads on people based on what they do in the thread." I especially can't convince anyone off of "he asked this question that made me feel he was scum."

So as long as other people do...easier to point to things, it becomes much easier to push lynches on OTHER scummy players.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
February 02 2014 01:52 GMT
#3011
On February 02 2014 06:28 Keirathi wrote:
@austin: that question that you called marv scum for was probably the "towniest" thing he posted all game :o

Edit: Which is weird in itself, of course. But it was probably the most forceful/aggressive post he made in the entire game, and his town game is consistently full of quips like that.
I just think it was off. If he wants to make fun of me for it, that's fine, and if he wants to ask what I'm talking about, or why I feel so strongly, or something like that, it's fine. But that question itself was something he knew the answer to, and the answer had nothing to do with anything. As either alignment I'd believe what I was typing, so it's not alignment-indicative of me, and it's not alignment-indicative to marv about Toad (whether he's town OR scum), so it meant nothing. But it wasn't a joke or mocking, it felt like he was legitimately asking this absolutely useless question.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
February 02 2014 02:57 GMT
#3013
On February 02 2014 11:00 gonzaw wrote:
Austin...read obs qt for my take on that "question"
...you won't like it most likely
Oh, no. I take the non-sarcastic reading.

marv is more than happy to tell me i'm being an idiot, or that I'm entirely wrong on something. Usually he does that in a more colorful way (austin is my cat, austin has been put here to challenge me, etc. etc.)

generally, when he's trying to mock me for being super right about everything, he does so in a more playful/colorful way, he enjoys the process.

a dry question is not what i expect from mocking or sarcastic marv, at least not with any kind of colorful followup
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
February 02 2014 03:39 GMT
#3015
yaya but i wasn't mafia and he was.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
February 02 2014 03:46 GMT
#3018
On February 02 2014 12:43 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2014 10:52 austinmcc wrote:
On February 02 2014 06:28 Keirathi wrote:
@austin: that question that you called marv scum for was probably the "towniest" thing he posted all game :o

Edit: Which is weird in itself, of course. But it was probably the most forceful/aggressive post he made in the entire game, and his town game is consistently full of quips like that.
I just think it was off. If he wants to make fun of me for it, that's fine, and if he wants to ask what I'm talking about, or why I feel so strongly, or something like that, it's fine. But that question itself was something he knew the answer to, and the answer had nothing to do with anything. As either alignment I'd believe what I was typing, so it's not alignment-indicative of me, and it's not alignment-indicative to marv about Toad (whether he's town OR scum), so it meant nothing. But it wasn't a joke or mocking, it felt like he was legitimately asking this absolutely useless question.

No, it was sarcasm
See. He added a smiley face.

THIS one's sarcastic, so we know the other really wasn't sarcasm, and ... he was caught.

Certainly.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-02 04:01:10
February 02 2014 04:00 GMT
#3020
On February 02 2014 12:49 gonzaw wrote:
Okay austin, let's test you a little bit more.
Tell me if the next sentence is sarcasm, or not:

Show nested quote +
This sentence is sarcasm


If you can't answer correctly, I'm afraid we'll have to send you to the Mafia Rehabilitation Center Psych Ward.
The only correct answer is that, based on the punctuation, that post only contains two sentences, the little bit more and then asking me to identify a future sentence as sarcasm.

So...I guess I just wait for "the next sentence"? I am fully aware that I'm unconvincing here, and I'm trollish in some responses, but serious that my marv read really changed based on that question, right or wrong. I promise not to tell any shadows or newbies to do this.

EDIT: MWAHAHAHAHAHA
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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
February 02 2014 18:08 GMT
#3028
On February 03 2014 03:03 iamperfection wrote:
its pretty irrelevant if you "knew" marv was scum or not. You have to have the ability to get him lynched which can be extremely difficult.
^

You have to both be able to convince the majority of people (and NOBODY wanted to move off of foolishness except perhaps kita?), AND you know there are still other scum.

No matter how convinced I was that marv was scum, I was also convinced on prome. I didn't care a ton about pushing marv super hard because I thought we had scum already. Heck, when trying to see things in a different light, I kept creating prome + x teams, to double check and see if marv was wrong even though I thought he was scum. I never sat down and did marv + x teams to see if some other team magically had everything make sense.

I think staying alive while LOOKING scummy to some people, and having some people convinced of your scumminess, is one of the more difficult aspects of playing scum. No matter how scummy you look, you can often just paint someone else scummier, or slightly push town towards another target.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
February 02 2014 18:24 GMT
#3030
On February 03 2014 03:14 gonzaw wrote:
Yeah, the problem in LYLO was the whole "Prome is scum, who is his buddy?"
At LYLO, in obs qt, marv didn't make any sense as Prome's buddy to me. Maybe that's why I went with austin scum at that time.
marv didn't push anybody at LYLO, didn't bus Prome. If Prome flipped scum (which we assumed would happen at that time), marv would look horrible. He wouldn't be pushing anybody when that happened, he would have nothing to go on when N4/D5 falls. Austin already was pushing him as Prome's buddy, so austin had "leverage" when Prome flipped. Austin would just keep pushing marv with all his might. But what would scum marv do? Nothing, he'd go "oh fuck, I guess I have to find the remaining scum now". He would look bad as fuck, he'd have to change his whole plan to see who to pinpoint as scum, and he'd lose credit for that because he would have to come up with that out of nowhere (i.e no townie would really believe him).
If marv was scum with Prome his play on LYLO wouldn't make any sense at all.

I think that might have been a good opportunity to realize "Wait, something's wrong here". Well, for me it was just jumping into the Prome+austin scumteam. But from austin's POV, maybe you could have come up with something different, and maybe realize Prome was town (since...wel..you wouldn't believe in a Prome+austin scumteam right? lol)
Probably should have, I kept going back to see if I was missing anything in WoS or Toad's filter.

But just kept coming up townie on them, so was set.

marv was right that he doesn't normally defend scumbuddies, but I honestly don't put a ton of credence into "I don't normally do x as scum" because anyone who knows how they do/don't play can alter something as simple as "don't normally defend buddies." People who are self-aware get less/little credit from me for playing to a particular style except for maybe the folks who have shown an absolute refusal to play much as scum (DI, sandroba).

I guess part of it was having so few people and me being townie on Toad, but whenever I tried to find what I was missing, it was always a different partner for prome, never that partner for marv.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
February 02 2014 18:59 GMT
#3032
On February 03 2014 03:30 gonzaw wrote:
Why did everybody think Toad was town actually?
lol it just kind of happened?
I thought HF's conversation with you about you/Foolishness D1 looked really good, didn't care that he hadn't read HF's filter, and thought that scum would be more worried/doing more/doing something in the last day, given that I thought prome was scum.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
February 02 2014 19:27 GMT
#3035
On February 03 2014 04:22 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2014 03:08 austinmcc wrote:
On February 03 2014 03:03 iamperfection wrote:
its pretty irrelevant if you "knew" marv was scum or not. You have to have the ability to get him lynched which can be extremely difficult.
^

You have to both be able to convince the majority of people (and NOBODY wanted to move off of foolishness except perhaps kita?), AND you know there are still other scum.

No matter how convinced I was that marv was scum, I was also convinced on prome. I didn't care a ton about pushing marv super hard because I thought we had scum already. Heck, when trying to see things in a different light, I kept creating prome + x teams, to double check and see if marv was wrong even though I thought he was scum. I never sat down and did marv + x teams to see if some other team magically had everything make sense.

I think staying alive while LOOKING scummy to some people, and having some people convinced of your scumminess, is one of the more difficult aspects of playing scum. No matter how scummy you look, you can often just paint someone else scummier, or slightly push town towards another target.

Mm. Didn't have a vote on me all game I think? What more could I have done...
Oh no, that's not targeted as you. Just that playing scum sometimes feels more difficult when there's legitimate suspicion on you, and it takes a little practice to realize that suspicion =/= you're dead, and you being scummy =/= you're dead, because everyone else is suspicious for something and scummy for something.

It's a response to the folks who knew you were scum, or were sure you were scum, or whatever. Regardless of whether you were scummy, you did well to just keep trucking, paint other people as scum, and the people going "marv could be scum this game" "marv doesn't feel right" never actually got anywhere other than just voicing their suspicions. I dunno if everyone saying they had you 1000% scum this game would have gone after you relentlessly or whether they would have just been part of the chorus thinking you were possibly/probably scum.
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