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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 31 2014 23:25 GMT
#2861
On February 01 2014 08:22 Foolishness wrote:
I will definitely take responsibility for the town this game

gg

You had a perfect read on marv at the end of the day you got lynched and noone listened to you.
I was sad.
table for two on a tv tray
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 31 2014 23:27 GMT
#2862
Everyone listened, they just wanted to lynch Prome first...
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
January 31 2014 23:27 GMT
#2863
Nah Foolishness all of town shares in the responsibility.
Nobody played a perfect game here, or even had reads good enough to be right at a crucial time.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 31 2014 23:30 GMT
#2864
On February 01 2014 08:27 marvellosity wrote:
Everyone listened, they just wanted to lynch Prome first...

Well Toad basically said he had Prome as sure scum and then one of you/Fool as the other.
But why not lynch Prome then at that day?

I was really confused when i read that post.
table for two on a tv tray
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 31 2014 23:32 GMT
#2865
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 31 2014 23:33 GMT
#2866
Just gotta use your brainz guys :p
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 31 2014 23:33 GMT
#2867
So my D1 sandro lynch wasn't that bad then (I thought it had fucked up the game).

Goddamit. This game confused me.

marv damn your mother
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16344 Posts
January 31 2014 23:33 GMT
#2868
On February 01 2014 08:33 Holyflare wrote:
Just gotta use your brainz guys :p

That point was so stupid...
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 31 2014 23:34 GMT
#2869
Dammit. Sorry town. Fool, this one is on me.

Toad, really well played!
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-31 23:36:07
January 31 2014 23:35 GMT
#2870
On February 01 2014 08:34 Promethelax wrote:
Dammit. Sorry town. Fool, this one is on me.

Toad, really well played!

btw when you asked me if I would voteswitch I obviously knew that I'm mafia (duh), I knew that I shouldn't post what I had in preview (telling you that I won't switch) and that that's super risky but still ended up posting it because I felt to bad for you and didn't want you to waste 5 hours or so
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 31 2014 23:35 GMT
#2871
Anyways. You guys can see my brainz meltdown in Obs QT.
It will be evidence for future psychologists to determine new undiscovered mental disorders
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 31 2014 23:36 GMT
#2872
Also marv I'm lynching you D1 every game now.
You brought this on yourself.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16344 Posts
January 31 2014 23:37 GMT
#2873
Maybe we should just find a way to erase this obs qt entirely, gonzaw.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
January 31 2014 23:37 GMT
#2874
Legitimate question here:
Did Holy swapping out affect the game? I'm not trying to place any blame or anything here, just pondering hypotheticals.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 31 2014 23:37 GMT
#2875
On February 01 2014 08:35 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2014 08:34 Promethelax wrote:
Dammit. Sorry town. Fool, this one is on me.

Toad, really well played!

btw when you asked me if I would voteswitch I obviously knew that I'm mafia (duh), I knew that I shouldn't post what I had in preview (telling you that I won't switch) and that that's super risky but still ended up posting it because I felt to bad for you and didn't want you to waste 5 hours or so


Honestly thanks for doing that. I got to get three hours of sleep before a twelve hour shift. It was alright play since I was clearly so demotivated. I don't hold it against you at all.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 31 2014 23:38 GMT
#2876
But funny how I did nothing this game and every single guy in this game had me as town. Literally every single one. Even gonzaw ended up saying it's most likely mafia-Foo messing with town-Toad at the end. Haven't seen obs-QT yet but there really wasn't anything to go wrong anymore.
WoS would have easily been lynched before me in a 3 man lylo but we obviously didn't want to risk giving them more time to figure stuff out.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 31 2014 23:41 GMT
#2877
Oh, I wanted to post this too. Literally the only good case on be being scum that came out of this game:





Original Message From geript:
I'll be clear and try and not talk about any random reads I've picked up on people in reading. I've honestly just been reading the game and not actually trying to process it in any reasonable fashion. So it wasn't until the last post + Show Spoiler +
On January 23 2014 15:12 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2014 08:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Please stop posting.
Final Vote Count - Deadline at Wednesday, Jan 22 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

Sandroba (5): gonzaw, austinmcc, marvellosity, Hapahauli, Promethelax, marvellosity, kitaman27, kitaman27
Promethelax (3): Foolishness, Kitaman27, Sandroba, Hapahauli, VisceraEyes
Foolishness (2): VisceraEyes, WaveofShadow, Hapahauli, Promethelax gonzaw, marvellosity, marvellosity, kitaman27, gonzaw
gonzaw (1): HolyFlare
Kitaman27 (0): Promethelax, WaveofShadow
WaveOfShadow (0): Foolishness
HolyFlare (0): marvellosity, kitaman27, gonzaw VisceraEyes
Hapahauli (0): VisceraEyes
VisceraEyes (0): Hapahauli, kitaman27

Not voted (0)

If you notice a mistake, please let us know!

Sandroba is set to be lynched.


So from this I'd say at least one scum is not on sandro and if a scum is on sand he isn't around at deadline. Since all votes on sand were at deadline only Austin/Marv could be scum voters since they'd be the ones believing scumdroba wouldn't be lynched and getting credit from it (assuming fool is town, not a great assumption though) think Marv is better at reading thread sentiment and would know that the switch was going to happen moe than Austin.

Gonzaw, me, Hapa are town from lynch. Gon/hap town already anyways so I don't learn anything here.

Marv and Kita look bad for unvoting scum. Kita more than Marv. I think. Not sure.

I would not be shocked if last two scum are in WoS, VE, holy, fool Kita. I need to looking to possible pairs.
I think VE is best .ynch of those. Going to reread sand now.
that got me thinking and actually analyzing you in the game. But I went back and looked at things:

Pregame you espouse concern (understandably) about rolling scum in this setup. Later on you say the following:
Show nested quote +
Unlike WoS I was excited to roll scum in this game, I figured I'd have an excuse to be steamrolled but if I did a good job it would be a huge accomplishment but no, I'm town, I have to figure things out. I would much rather lie to you all but fuck me, I don't get to lie to you. I gotta work for my money.

It's not that there's a contrast between the two points of view; it's actually quite easy to have both at the same time. However, the entrance into the thread is what I would classify as a "comfort zone" post. The point of the post isn't to actually do anything other than put you in a zone where you feel comfortable and safe to act. I just have a very hard time reading this entrance to the game as one coming from a place confidence and "fuck it I expect you to play."

Additionally, in your series of drunk posts you want to espouse reads but not really go into them. Rather the thing you latch onto is this minor bit of thread sentiment about VE not caring about the lynch. Like instead of hammer out an analyze him as a player and his actions as a whole and drill him for being scum, you're more interested in painting him as scummy and getting a lynch. Like there's no concern about mislynching him.

The early WoS town read is pretty odd as well. I really don't care about people giving out town reads; it happens too much right now. But it's in how you approach the read. There's no clear methodology to it. More importantly, it's really weird for town to have a mostly accurate heuristic that they use on a player and completely forget about it. This is exacerbated by the fact that despite this read, you haven't gone back and done a full analysis of him. Granted, there's no way you get shot tonight (if you're town), but I would expect that as town you'd try to move the lynch via different means other than +1ing. Like, I don't see where you're taking responsibility for the next lynch in any way; and for you that reads as scummy to me because (as town) you'd be aware that your neck is out there as well.

Next there's the sandroba vote. + Show Spoiler +
On January 23 2014 07:57 Promethelax wrote:
Fuck it, we do it live

[b]##unvote
##vote sandroba[b]
It's weird, given the expectation at the start, to have a "fuck it, I'm rolling with it" mentality. Especially when you essentially cede your vote to gonzaw earlier. I'd expect a stronger meatier push against foolishness explaining clearly why you think he's scum and should be lynched. It's not that you can't also get behind sandroba on policy; just that how you come out against foolishness while ending on sandroba looks to come more from a "I don't want to look bad because there's no room to look bad" standpoint instead of a "I want to lynch scum" standpoint.

The last thing that I've noticed is that you seem to be approaching the game from a "who's an available mislynch candidate" aspect. Like as town, I've noticed that you want to look to avoid mislynches. But you're reading to see where you can push a lynch instead of where you should push a lynch. Slowly crossing off people as they are unavailable for mislynches.

So am I right?

Show nested quote +
Original Message From Promethelax:
Why am I scum?

Original Message From geript:
Just out of curiosity, you're scum in shadow right?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
January 31 2014 23:41 GMT
#2878
On February 01 2014 08:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
Legitimate question here:
Did Holy swapping out affect the game? I'm not trying to place any blame or anything here, just pondering hypotheticals.

Maybe, a lot of people were on to him at the time.

All things considered though I commend him for trying to play to his town meta and not his usual mafia behavior. I was confident about my read on him which is why I thought Toad was town more than anything.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
January 31 2014 23:44 GMT
#2879
I REALLY didn't follow the townreads on Toad.
One of my problems in not considering Toad later on was that the weak case he had on me essentially mirrored yours, Foolishness in some ways so when you flipped I firmly believed Prome was #1 and #2 could have been between marv or Toad.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
January 31 2014 23:45 GMT
#2880
Also I apologize Foolishness if my play caused you to duck out from thread, I suppose, but I really do need to talk stuff through with people to get better reads and I couldn't get them with you.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
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