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On February 01 2014 08:22 Foolishness wrote:
I will definitely take responsibility for the town this game

gg

On February 01 2014 08:27 marvellosity wrote:
Everyone listened, they just wanted to lynch Prome first...

On February 01 2014 08:33 Holyflare wrote:
Just gotta use your brainz guys :p

On February 01 2014 08:34 Promethelax wrote:
Dammit. Sorry town. Fool, this one is on me.

Toad, really well played!

On February 01 2014 08:35 Toadesstern wrote:

btw when you asked me if I would voteswitch I obviously knew that I'm mafia (duh), I knew that I shouldn't post what I had in preview (telling you that I won't switch) and that that's super risky but still ended up posting it because I felt to bad for you and didn't want you to waste 5 hours or so

Original Message From geript:
I'll be clear and try and not talk about any random reads I've picked up on people in reading. I've honestly just been reading the game and not actually trying to process it in any reasonable fashion. So it wasn't until the last post + Show Spoiler + that got me thinking and actually analyzing you in the game. But I went back and looked at things:

Pregame you espouse concern (understandably) about rolling scum in this setup. Later on you say the following:

It's not that there's a contrast between the two points of view; it's actually quite easy to have both at the same time. However, the entrance into the thread is what I would classify as a "comfort zone" post. The point of the post isn't to actually do anything other than put you in a zone where you feel comfortable and safe to act. I just have a very hard time reading this entrance to the game as one coming from a place confidence and "fuck it I expect you to play."

Additionally, in your series of drunk posts you want to espouse reads but not really go into them. Rather the thing you latch onto is this minor bit of thread sentiment about VE not caring about the lynch. Like instead of hammer out an analyze him as a player and his actions as a whole and drill him for being scum, you're more interested in painting him as scummy and getting a lynch. Like there's no concern about mislynching him.

The early WoS town read is pretty odd as well. I really don't care about people giving out town reads; it happens too much right now. But it's in how you approach the read. There's no clear methodology to it. More importantly, it's really weird for town to have a mostly accurate heuristic that they use on a player and completely forget about it. This is exacerbated by the fact that despite this read, you haven't gone back and done a full analysis of him. Granted, there's no way you get shot tonight (if you're town), but I would expect that as town you'd try to move the lynch via different means other than +1ing. Like, I don't see where you're taking responsibility for the next lynch in any way; and for you that reads as scummy to me because (as town) you'd be aware that your neck is out there as well.

Next there's the sandroba vote. + Show Spoiler + It's weird, given the expectation at the start, to have a "fuck it, I'm rolling with it" mentality. Especially when you essentially cede your vote to gonzaw earlier. I'd expect a stronger meatier push against foolishness explaining clearly why you think he's scum and should be lynched. It's not that you can't also get behind sandroba on policy; just that how you come out against foolishness while ending on sandroba looks to come more from a "I don't want to look bad because there's no room to look bad" standpoint instead of a "I want to lynch scum" standpoint.

The last thing that I've noticed is that you seem to be approaching the game from a "who's an available mislynch candidate" aspect. Like as town, I've noticed that you want to look to avoid mislynches. But you're reading to see where you can push a lynch instead of where you should push a lynch. Slowly crossing off people as they are unavailable for mislynches.

So am I right?

On February 01 2014 08:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
Legitimate question here:
Did Holy swapping out affect the game? I'm not trying to place any blame or anything here, just pondering hypotheticals.